You could easily see Everton going down if they appoint the wrong man. They’re stuck with a Dyche esque manager there’s no chance that squad could play a progressive game of football especially whilst trying to fight relegation
Sean Dyche: Everton Senior Men's team manager (sack watch)
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People said that about Newcastle.
I've said for years they seem to be exactly imitating our demise from the premier league between 2011-15.
In 2011 we appointed McLeish as hated cross rival manager and we stayed up on penultimate weekend after a terrible season. They did the same thing with Benitez.
We then appointed Lambert who kept us up but produced with horrific tumescent football and long periods of never scoring a goal. Same happening with Dyche.
So next season is where it all implodes and they go down on 17 points by that logic but I can see it happening this season.
Wolves just need to stay solid and they'll win enough games to be o.k. Ipswich also have wins in them IF Delap can stay fit.
Everton haven't won an away game in the premier league for over 12 months now and unless it's the business end of a season they don't really string back to back wins at Goodison either.
Currently on course for 34 points which would've relegated them in 22/23 so could easily be another final day job and they're away to Newcastle this time which dosen't look great.
In 2011 we appointed McLeish as hated cross rival manager and we stayed up on penultimate weekend after a terrible season. They did the same thing with Benitez.
We then appointed Lambert who kept us up but produced with horrific tumescent football and long periods of never scoring a goal. Same happening with Dyche.
So next season is where it all implodes and they go down on 17 points by that logic but I can see it happening this season.
Wolves just need to stay solid and they'll win enough games to be o.k. Ipswich also have wins in them IF Delap can stay fit.
Everton haven't won an away game in the premier league for over 12 months now and unless it's the business end of a season they don't really string back to back wins at Goodison either.
Currently on course for 34 points which would've relegated them in 22/23 so could easily be another final day job and they're away to Newcastle this time which dosen't look great.
“The run really isn’t bad on paper if you add wins to it” - Sean Dyche
"The holiday wouldn't have been that bad if Madeleine hadn't of gone missing" - Gerry McCann
"The holiday wouldn't have been that bad if Madeleine hadn't of gone missing" - Gerry McCann
hopefully been circling the drain for years now
Oh my god.
The way I see it, Southampton are 100% going down. Therefore, the other two spots are taken by either Leicester, Ipswich, Wolves, or Everton. I really think that it is between these clubs. Palace could slide down, but I expect them to do enough to survive this season.
Wolves - I can see them picking up enough points to be ok. They'll go on a run somewhere and they have enough in their squad to win games.
Ipswich - Looking at their results, they haven't been at the receiving end of that many beatings. Lots of their games are decided by 1 or 2 goals. 6 draws says a lot, too. It's whether they can score enough to stay up. 3rd lowest goals scored in the league.
Leicester - they're in trouble. Conceded the joint-highest amount of goals in the league, with Southampton. If their form continues, they will go down. I'm half-expecting them to go on a late season surge to stay up, but that's not guaranteed. Really not sure about them.
Everton - 2nd lowest scorers in the league. Really struggling to see where the goals come from. If we say that Ipswich join Southampton in the bottom three, then it's a fight between Everton and Leicester for the other spot, imo. It will go down right to the last day. I think this is the season where it happens and Everton go down.
Oh my god.
The way I see it, Southampton are 100% going down. Therefore, the other two spots are taken by either Leicester, Ipswich, Wolves, or Everton. I really think that it is between these clubs. Palace could slide down, but I expect them to do enough to survive this season.
Wolves - I can see them picking up enough points to be ok. They'll go on a run somewhere and they have enough in their squad to win games.
Ipswich - Looking at their results, they haven't been at the receiving end of that many beatings. Lots of their games are decided by 1 or 2 goals. 6 draws says a lot, too. It's whether they can score enough to stay up. 3rd lowest goals scored in the league.
Leicester - they're in trouble. Conceded the joint-highest amount of goals in the league, with Southampton. If their form continues, they will go down. I'm half-expecting them to go on a late season surge to stay up, but that's not guaranteed. Really not sure about them.
Everton - 2nd lowest scorers in the league. Really struggling to see where the goals come from. If we say that Ipswich join Southampton in the bottom three, then it's a fight between Everton and Leicester for the other spot, imo. It will go down right to the last day. I think this is the season where it happens and Everton go down.
These are why we need to replace Dyche. The division isn't in a place where you can rely on draws or clean sheets to see you through and keep you up. Nobody else plays like that. Every team aside from us puts onus on trying to score and getting the win.
It's why I think Wolves will stay up. They've scored more than double the number of goals that Everton have and I imagine that their approach will keep them up.
I guess the obvious questions are:
1. If Everton replace Dyche, who replaces him?
2. Who is going to score their goals?
I don't watch them enough to properly judge, but the team seems very disjointed when I have seen them this season. Think it's time for a new manager to come in and rebuild this squad with a specific idea or style in mind.
I think that we don't have a lot of goalscorers but also think that those that we have are starved because of Dyche and the way he plays. I don't expect us to score WAY more when Dyche leaves but I would expect us to score....which a Dyche side fails to do over and over again. I think we have room to make a few additions this January and hopefully they include a RW that can be the Ndiaye for that side.
Replacing Dyche now is quite difficult and a reason why they're perhaps holding on it. In the summer (assuming we stay up) we are a very attractive prospect with the new stadium and project so I think the list of people who'd join would be quite extensive and with people who are 'above' where the club currently is but due to none of that being guaranteed and a slog to get to the summer, this January is going to be really hard to find someone. The list will be restricted to your Potter/Southgate/Moyes types, none of which inspire me. I don't think Moyes would take a 6 month deal, I don't think Southgate is good enough at club level and Potter although I think he's better than the Chelsea spell showed, is as much of a risk as Dyche taking us to the end.
He has a worse win percentage than Lampard by the way.
The retweet is funny. Gallows humour…
I would imagine he can't be far off going now, especially with new owners in place?
I think so. Wolves winning tonight puts us under a ton of pressure. We're lucky Ipswich didn't hold on yesterday but we can't continute to rely on other teams to be shite.
Yeah that was another bad one on Saturday, and Ipswich only drew but them and Wolves have picked up a bit the last 3 games. Seems like scoring goals is a massive issue for youse?
The thing is Everton look half decent on paper. Certainly there can be big improvements eg a new RB instead of young and a goalscorer brought in for example. But overall it's quite a solid looking team but just doesn't translate into results.
Yep, and that's largely due to the way Dyche plays and sets up. I don't usually like the phrase dinosaur football but Dyche is the only manager in the league to still play like he does. There are other managers who put onus on creating strong defensive units too like Moyes and Nuno for example but not anywhere near to the extremity of Dyche. It's embarassing how impotent we are in attack or with the ball.
It translates into the results Dyche plays for. He plays for us to have 0 goals conceded instead of doing what pretty much every single manager in the league and world does which is try to play to have more goals than the other team.
We definitely need new full backs on both flanks. Young has actually been pretty good this season but obviously he's ancient. I'd rather put him LB, get a RB in now and then get a new LB in the summer. Mykolenko has been awful this season.
ten hag time.
heh
Rooney isn't doing anything at the minute. Once a blue always a blue.....
Agree - it's between these clubs.Oh my god.
The way I see it, Southampton are 100% going down. Therefore, the other two spots are taken by either Leicester, Ipswich, Wolves, or Everton. I really think that it is between these clubs. Palace could slide down, but I expect them to do enough to survive this season.
Wolves - I can see them picking up enough points to be ok. They'll go on a run somewhere and they have enough in their squad to win games.
Ipswich - Looking at their results, they haven't been at the receiving end of that many beatings. Lots of their games are decided by 1 or 2 goals. 6 draws says a lot, too. It's whether they can score enough to stay up. 3rd lowest goals scored in the league.
Leicester - they're in trouble. Conceded the joint-highest amount of goals in the league, with Southampton. If their form continues, they will go down. I'm half-expecting them to go on a late season surge to stay up, but that's not guaranteed. Really not sure about them.
Everton - 2nd lowest scorers in the league. Really struggling to see where the goals come from. If we say that Ipswich join Southampton in the bottom three, then it's a fight between Everton and Leicester for the other spot, imo. It will go down right to the last day. I think this is the season where it happens and Everton go down.
Can't see anyone else getting dragged into it.
Southampton are gone. Not great under Martin, they've replaced him with a questionable manager now so they're bad form will just roll on.
Wolves and Ipswich have more fight in them for me - Leicester looked terrible under Cooper and arguably worse under Ruud unfortunately. They will concede too many goals.
And Everton - just no goals in them. They dont play attacking football or grind out draws well enough.
Everton & Leicester for me to join Southampton