Sean Dyche: Everton Senior Men's team manager (sack watch)

SilentWitness said:
Is this sarcasm? :confused:

Last season to get 48 points was a top achievement but this season has been horribly bad.
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Do you not have any sympathy for the squad he is working with?

I mean Young and Coleman starting games in 2024, Mykolenko looks rough at times, Mangala is average, Gueye is getting on now, DCL can’t score goals and he is relying on the likes of Broja and Keane on the bench.

I think someone coming in and trying to play expansive football with this squad and that backline could well get annihilated.

The next choice is a brave one, and maybe that’s why no one has made the call yet?
 
Maluco said:
Do you not have any sympathy for the squad he is working with?

I mean Young and Coleman starting games in 2024, Mykolenko looks rough at times, Mangala is average, Gueye is getting on now, DCL can’t score goals and he is relying on the likes of Broja and Keane on the bench.

I think someone coming in and trying to play expansive football with this squad and that backline could well get annihilated.

The next choice is a brave one, and maybe that’s why no one has made the call yet?
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Why would I have sympathy for a man who has chosen to persist with some of those options? Your post kind of indicates too you haven't seen much of us this season. Mangala and Young have been decent and Broja has too in the gametime he's been given. He could be starting Patterson instead of Young or Coleman but he doesn't. He could have played O'Brien over Keane but he didn't.

It's also largely the same squad with a few better additions to it like Ndiaye and it managed to get 48 points last season, so yes, he should be doing better. I'm not asking for a manager to be going full Ange but I don't want a manager to be full Dyche either as it is utterly crap and this season we are underperforming. 8 wins in 2024 is disgustingly poor no matter who you are as a club or manager.

The squad has more in it than he is getting out of it this season. He himself showed that last season and a better manager will be able to show that too on a more consistent basis. His football is not sustainable.

The only thing I have sympathy for this season is the noise off the field but it's been two years now with Dyche and the noise on the field suggests that he isn't good enough or that with better players he would be.
 
Everton are born survivors, this is the worst I've seen them in years but I know they'll find a way to stay up.
 
SilentWitness said:
Why would I have sympathy for a man who has chosen to persist with some of those options? Your post kind of indicates too you haven't seen much of us this season. Mangala and Young have been decent and Broja has too in the gametime he's been given. He could be starting Patterson instead of Young or Coleman but he doesn't. He could have played O'Brien over Keane but he didn't.

It's also largely the same squad with a few better additions to it like Ndiaye and it managed to get 48 points last season, so yes, he should be doing better. I'm not asking for a manager to be going full Ange but I don't want a manager to be full Dyche either as it is utterly crap and this season we are underperforming. 8 wins in 2024 is disgustingly poor no matter who you are as a club or manager.

The squad has more in it than he is getting out of it this season. He himself showed that last season and a better manager will be able to show that too on a more consistent basis. His football is not sustainable.

The only thing I have sympathy for this season is the noise off the field but it's been two years now with Dyche and the noise on the field suggests that he isn't good enough or that with better players he would be.
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I have watched a decent number of games actually. Obviously not as much as you may have, but enough to form an opinion on those players mentioned.

It would be a squad where the majority wouldn’t look out of place in the Championship. I like Ndiaye and McNeil, and I have always liked Doucoure. It really is slim pickings for anyone under 32 past those three.

The very fact that the two examples you gave were Patterson and O’Brien says a lot. There isn’t a lot more he could have done.
 
Blood Mage said:
Everton are born survivors, this is the worst I've seen them in years but I know they'll find a way to stay up.
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Yeah they should do. It’s historically a big club though and it seems every year they’re either just making up the numbers or fighting to survive. Something needs to change for them.
 
Maluco said:
I have watched a decent number of games actually. Obviously not as much as you may have, but enough to form an opinion on those players mentioned.

It would be a squad where the majority wouldn’t look out of place in the Championship. I like Ndiaye and McNeil, and I have always liked Doucoure. It really is slim pickings for anyone under 32 past those three.

The very fact that the two examples you gave were Patterson and O’Brien says a lot. There isn’t a lot more he could have done.
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I mean, that's just not true. He sets up to let the opposition have most of the ball and his tactic is lump it to the striker who he isolates because of his insistence to try and keep a clean sheet. He definitely can do more to have a more balanced side but he's incapable. He's an extremely limited manager and when it works you'll have a season like the last and when it doesn't you'll stutter along like we are with no signs of progress. It's not sustainable and it's not good.
 
Obviously gonna sound weird given their results but who can Everton get that's better than Dyche?

Looking at the odds, Steve Cooper seems to be the favourite to replace him at the bookmakers, but he would be an astronomical downgrade for me.

Moyes is questionable. Could easily be a sideways appointment.

I'd take Dyche over Southgate easily.

Would the likes of Carrick or Potter take on the Everton job? Maybe they could be considered.

I think Dyche is a good manager and he's misperceived as this relegation specialist with terrorist football. He just has a godawful squad IMO.
 
SilentWitness said:
I mean, that's just not true. He sets up to let the opposition have most of the ball and his tactic is lump it to the striker who he isolates because of his insistence to try and keep a clean sheet. He definitely can do more to have a more balanced side but he's incapable. He's an extremely limited manager and when it works you'll have a season like the last and when it doesn't you'll stutter along like we are with no signs of progress. It's not sustainable and it's not good.
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Who do you realistically expect to replace him? It seems likely that he will be sacked with new owners in town just as happened with Bruce at Newcastle but I don't think the Friedkins are going to be making that much money available, not with the PSR rules and their own somewhat tightfisted behavior at Roma. I think that unless they go with the obvious choice of Potter they are going to have get creative in looking for a new Manager, are there any names being discussed by the Everton insiders?
 
Irwin99 said:
Yeah they should do. It’s historically a big club though and it seems every year they’re either just making up the numbers or fighting to survive. Something needs to change for them.
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We're heading in the same direction. What do United and Everton have in common? Bad recruitment and wasting resources.
 
Gandalf said:
Who do you realistically expect to replace him? It seems likely that he will be sacked with new owners in town just as happened with Bruce at Newcastle but I don't think the Friedkins are going to be making that much money available, not with the PSR rules and their own somewhat tightfisted behavior at Roma. I think that unless they go with the obvious choice of Potter they are going to have get creative in looking for a new Manager, are there any names being discussed by the Everton insiders?
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I think this is an unfortunate reality in the next few weeks if it gets worse, in that the managerial market currently isn't great. Potter would be a big risk but I do think he can still do well somewhere. Corberan was a name mentioned but he's gone to Valencia. Moyes and Potter the obvious shouts with outside calls like Fonseca (who was at Roma).
 
When I see Everton fans wanting Dyche gone my immediate thought is "careful what you wish for".

With him, I'm confident they'll stay up via their putrid-but-clean-sheet-generating football. If they change managers, much less so. And I don't think they're in a position to look for much more than avoiding relegation given the collection of players they have.

He'll probably go in the summer anyway given Everton fans' feelings. But if they sack him mid-season, they can't really complain if the consequences are very bad. Because the risk is there for all to see.
 
I think he can dull them to safety. The summer should be the time to get rid. You know what you get with Dyche. He'll grind the results out with his brand of football. Everton might as well just wait until the summer with these new owners and start a fresh.
 
sullydnl said:
When I see Everton fans wanting Dyche gone my immediate thought is "careful what you wish for".

With him, I'm confident they'll stay up via their putrid-but-clean-sheet-generating football. If they change managers, much less so. And I don't think they're in a position to look for much more than avoiding relegation given the collection of players they have.

He'll probably go in the summer anyway given Everton fans' feelings. But if they sack him mid-season, they can't really complain if the consequences are very bad. Because the risk is there for all to see.
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It's a risk keeping him too.
 
FujiVice said:
I think he can dull them to safety. The summer should be the time to get rid. You know what you get with Dyche. He'll grind the results out with his brand of football. Everton might as well just wait until the summer with these new owners and start a fresh.
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Probably the safest option unless a genuinely good Manager is available who wants the job and there is money available for a couple of impactful signings as happened with Howe at Newcastle. A clean break in the summer is still most likely I would think as it would give the new guy time to set things up the way he wants and bring in some of his targets and Dyche can spin it as a mutual parting.
 
SilentWitness said:
I mean, that's just not true. He sets up to let the opposition have most of the ball and his tactic is lump it to the striker who he isolates because of his insistence to try and keep a clean sheet. He definitely can do more to have a more balanced side but he's incapable. He's an extremely limited manager and when it works you'll have a season like the last and when it doesn't you'll stutter along like we are with no signs of progress. It's not sustainable and it's not good.
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Yeah, I do agree about the setup at times. I was watching the City game and they were there for the taking but the ball retention was poor.

I think they just need to be careful who comes in, it’s a delicate balance now. Someone like big Ange would sink the club.

It needs to be a measured decision and it needs to be gotten right.
 
Gandalf said:
Probably the safest option unless a genuinely good Manager is available who wants the job and there is money available for a couple of impactful signings as happened with Howe at Newcastle. A clean break in the summer is still most likely I would think as it would give the new guy time to set things up the way he wants and bring in some of his targets and Dyche can spin it as a mutual parting.
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I hope this is possible and think it's the one that makes sense but with each week that passes it doesn't look pretty for Dyche and a decision that may need to be forced.
 
SilentWitness said:
It's a risk keeping him too.
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In theory, yes. In practice, I doubt it.

Ye're bad, but definitely not as bad as any of Leicester, Ipswich or Southampton.

Maybe RVN makes Leicester better, but so far if anything they've looked even worse defensively. And while they're scoring more than ye, conceding nearly double the amount of goals as you is a killer.
 
sullydnl said:
In theory, yes. In practice, I doubt it.

Ye're bad, but definitely not as bad as any of Leicester, Ipswich or Southampton.

Maybe RVN makes Leicester better, but so far if anything they've looked even worse defensively. And while they're scoring more than ye, conceding nearly double the amount of goals as you is a killer.
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I agree but there is a danger in having a manager and players knowing that they have until the summer. That Leicester side that went down should never have been relegated but they had a bunch of players that had mentally checked out because they knew they'd be off in the summer. I'm worried we have similar issues.
 
Ipswich win will unsettle a few more at Goodison. Everton only three points ahead of 19th now and their next four are the four games they lost at the start of the season. Dyche will be gone if the same happens again.
 
BeforeKeanetherewasRobson said:
Who replaces him?
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No idea but it's really gotten to the stage where it needs to happen. It's a grim feeling as even with a new manager this group could struggle to stay up and neutrals may say "careful what you wish for" but this isn't a Moyes at West Ham situation. We have been absolutely trash this season and 2024 aside from the purple patch in April. A change is needed because he's lost the group.

We have two weeks until the next league game. Replace him now, take the hit in the FA Cup. Bring a new man in and some signings.
 
Imagine they got Ten Hag and he somehow got them to finish ahead of us.

Think I'd be done with football for a while.
 
Squeaky_Bum_Time said:
They’re getting a new stadium and new owners and all that exciting stuff. Sure now it’s a relegation battle but there might be an exciting future there.
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They just need an exciting manager. Imagine supporting them and having Dyche as manager.
 
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