Scott McTominay | Napoli

It's tragic when you think that Ragnick bemoaned the lack of physicality in the team and Amorim alluded to this recently. Not dirty players but players able to play with the intensity of the Premier League and we let McTominay leave. Appreciate the club may need to have done it for PSR but still.

So now McTominay was some physically intense midfielder in the PL now? He was really good at arriving late in the box and scoring goals and offered little else in the midfield.
 
Wasnt he a striker when he was coming up through the youth team?

No that’s a myth, he talked about this. Warren Joyce stuck him up top for two games because the actual strikers were unavailable, and that’s it.
 
It's tragic when you think that Ragnick bemoaned the lack of physicality in the team and Amorim alluded to this recently. Not dirty players but players able to play with the intensity of the Premier League and we let McTominay leave. Appreciate the club may need to have done it for PSR but still.
Unfortunately we had to sell him for this reason. ETH didn't want to sell him.
 
It's tragic when you think that Ragnick bemoaned the lack of physicality in the team and Amorim alluded to this recently. Not dirty players but players able to play with the intensity of the Premier League and we let McTominay leave. Appreciate the club may need to have done it for PSR but still.
Yup and Fred was allowed to leave as well for some reason.

I for one don't see a big upgrade in Ugarte from Fred, it's his first season so I'll give him time but Fred was much more suited to the pace of the league.
 
Yup and Fred was allowed to leave as well for some reason.

I for one don't see a big upgrade in Ugarte from Fred, it's his first season so I'll give him time but Fred was much more suited to the pace of the league.
Agree Fred was a silly one. Especially given what he was replaced with.
 
Happy for him. We should just get Conte if Amorim doesn’t work out

I really wish we went for Tuchel / Conte ~mid last season when it was clear Ten Hag wasn't the guy

Yup and Fred was allowed to leave as well for some reason.

I for one don't see a big upgrade in Ugarte from Fred, it's his first season so I'll give him time but Fred was much more suited to the pace of the league.

Ugarte is a bit better technically but worse physically - But yeah I agree. Ideally in a side like City, he'd be a useful squad player.
 
No that’s a myth, he talked about this. Warren Joyce stuck him up top for two games because the actual strikers were unavailable, and that’s it.
The big mistake we made was someone thinking he was a DM when as has been mentioned he just isn't. He is somebody who gets on the end of chances in the box.
 
It's tragic when you think that Ragnick bemoaned the lack of physicality in the team and Amorim alluded to this recently. Not dirty players but players able to play with the intensity of the Premier League and we let McTominay leave. Appreciate the club may need to have done it for PSR but still.

We had to sell him because most of our sellable players were greedy ****** with wages they don’t deserve and that none would offer them. He is one of the rare players we could sell for a decent fee and he wouldn’t scare off his potential buyers with outrageous demands…
 
So now McTominay was some physically intense midfielder in the PL now? He was really good at arriving late in the box and scoring goals and offered little else in the midfield.
Not suggesting for one minute McTominay is the second coming of Robbo, far from it. But he did ok for us. Wasn't the best wasn't the worst. He could handle the physicality of the premier league and had an engine on him.

I'd much prefer to have him coming off the bench than Erikssen that's for sure
 
It's tragic when you think that Ragnick bemoaned the lack of physicality in the team and Amorim alluded to this recently. Not dirty players but players able to play with the intensity of the Premier League and we let McTominay leave. Appreciate the club may need to have done it for PSR but still.

Mctominay didn’t play with intensity though, he goes AWOL and may as well not be on the pitch at times. The mistake at Utd was thinking he could ever do that, he does bits and pieces and score some goals. He’s found a league and a team where that works and he should have a very good career there.
 
Not suggesting for one minute McTominay is the second coming of Robbo, far from it. But he did ok for us. Wasn't the best wasn't the worst. He could handle the physicality of the premier league and had an engine on him.

I'd much prefer to have him coming off the bench than Erikssen that's for sure

Eriksen won’t be at the club soon so the point is moot. Both players needed to go and a few others too
 
Look you can keep changing McTominays position but I think wherever you play in a United midfield you need a good first touch, vision and passing ability. You don't obviously. Enough said about that I think as we can't agree.

I'm hesitant to get dragged into a Mount vs McTomiany debate because as I mentioned its irrelevant. Mount arriving doesn't mean selling McTominay was the wrong decision. The two aren't connected.

But before Mount was basically permanently injured who out of the two do you think had the better goal scoring record?
You are hesitant to get dragged into a Mount vs McT debate but you use someone who has shown absolutely nothing in our shirt to slate McT?

And when was the last time Mount wasn’t injured? 3 years ago? Why you compare him to someone who actually won us games just last year.

And again, I understand McT’s limitations, you seem to ignore that on every reply.
 
McRomelay could well win the Scudetto for Napoli.

Two nice striker's goals to be fair, good work on the right and read it well.
 
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It's tragic when you think that Ragnick bemoaned the lack of physicality in the team and Amorim alluded to this recently. Not dirty players but players able to play with the intensity of the Premier League and we let McTominay leave. Appreciate the club may need to have done it for PSR but still.

I’d say that McTominay struggled with the intensity of the league, among other things. Handy player to put on for surging runs into the box towards the end. It was a good move for both him and the club.
 
It's tragic when you think that Ragnick bemoaned the lack of physicality in the team and Amorim alluded to this recently. Not dirty players but players able to play with the intensity of the Premier League and we let McTominay leave. Appreciate the club may need to have done it for PSR but still.

But he was crap in midfield, constantly getting himself ahead of the ball and in positions that he couldnt be passed to and couldnt help the team build up play. He's quite tall and decently built but we didnt see him outmuscling players or anything. Someone like Joelinton for Newcastle against us, Ugarte was struggling to win the ball of him because he was running with it and hes a tall strong physical player. McTominay should have been able to do that but he didnt.

The only physicality McTominay had for us was that he could start in a 6 position and then run up the pitch to join the attack. He had legs. But 90% of the time, other than when the ball would drop to him inside the box, we didnt see anything come of that jogging/running. He didnt press a lot, he didnt win the ball a good amount. It just amounted to nothing

Happy for him to have 2 more goals and help his team in the title race in Serie A. He's played more than I thought he would and with those goals and his run of 5 goals in his last 3 matches he's shown he can be a good goalscorer there. Until the recent run he wasnt the scorer he was for us last season off the bench

And without a doubt we've missed him as an extra goalscorer or coming off the bench. No question

But when you throw in the tosh you said its just madness. McTominay was here when Ragnick said it. McTominay was one of the reasons we lacked intensity and certainly a huge problem for us in buildup play. He wasnt the answer with his physicality. We had him and Fellaini together several seasons ago and Matic, and we still didnt have a Joelinton who can run the ball forward and shrug off all the smaller players trying to win it back and continue with the buildup play.
 
Anyone that still defended him (like me) earlier this season after we sold him was strongly castigated on this thread. Pleased to see Scott doing so well in Italy. I always saw the value of having him in our squad and still would do now (not after timing cause he’s doing in Napoli what he was doing for us, some fans just couldn’t see it at the time). It became very fashionable to say “he isn’t good enough” and “he needs to go” but he offered our squad something we didn’t have then and don’t have now. And Napoli are reaping the rewards of his physicality, drive and invaluable goals from midfield. Even in a piss poor side last season, he popped up with a few valuable goals for us, 10 in total. This season with Napoli is no fluke, he’s a quality goal scoring midfielder that we got rid of.

Did we have a choice in selling him cause of PSR rules…? I’ll never know, but I don’t half miss having him in our squad. Fair play to him if he goes and wins Serie A now. Another dreadful bit of business in the buying/selling department of the club.
 
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The second goal was really good forward play from him, really battling to make sure he gets a shot away.

I'm chuffed for him, the Napoli fans absolutely love him( and think it's ridiculous that got him for less then £30m!)



What a fecking video :drool:
 
Happy for him. Scott was United through and through. Shocking from the club to let him go. Hopefully he takes Napoli to the title and gets the love he deserves in Italy.
 
We should learn from his experience in Serie A. Loan all or deadwood to teams there and then watch as they improve and sell at a profit.
 
As much as I’m chuffed that Scott is making Napoli fans forget about Maradona, he’s also why I’m wary of signing players from serie A.
 
It’s interesting to me that not one fecker is suggesting we were wrong to let Lukaku go. Do his performances for Napoli not count?

Slightly different as he had pretty much checked out of playing for us when we sold him... We also got a fairly decent fee for him considering.

I think everyone would agree he's absolutely miles better then our current striking options
 
Slightly different as he had pretty much checked out of playing for us when we sold him... We also got a fairly decent fee for him considering.

I think everyone would agree he's absolutely miles better then our current striking options

That last sentence doesn’t mean much. Name a striker in the top half of any European league who isn’t better than our current striking options.

I don’t think it was a bad decision to move Lukaku on. I also don’t think it was a bad decision to move McT on. Albeit for different reasons. The fact they’re both having a very good season for Napoli doesn’t change any of that.
 
That last sentence doesn’t mean much. Name a striker in the top half of any European league who isn’t better than our current striking options.

I don’t think it was a bad decision to move Lukaku on. I also don’t think it was a bad decision to move McT on. Albeit for different reasons. The fact they’re both having a very good season for Napoli doesn’t change any of that.

The only thing I felt was bad about the McT move was the price. £25m was ridiculous.
 
We played him a lot too deep, he didn't have the technique or awareness to play there

When we saw him play further forward we saw a lot of what we're seeing at Napoli. Good engine, gets into dangerous aread/ decent header etc.

Very happy to see what he's doing now, always comes across as a decent lad. If we kept him, we'd still be poor so don't see it as a big mistake. Tricky to fit him and Bruno into the same team.
 
Not really.

It is a few million less than Zirkzee who is younger and a better player.

I think £10million is a bit more then "a few million less" ... £35/£40m was a more accurate fee for McT in my opinion... And in no way has Zirkzee done anything to show he's a better player (yet)

Connor feckin' Gallagher cost £35m... And your better not say he's a better player then McT!!
 
As much as I’m chuffed that Scott is making Napoli fans forget about Maradona, he’s also why I’m wary of signing players from serie A.

He is in no way similar to Maradona… He is quite good at what he does for Conte but Conte’s football really suck*s. They won the league 2 years ago with the same midifled (Zielinski instead of McT) and they were the best attacking side of serie A. Creating chance after chances and demolishing the top teams. They scored 5 vs Juventus and 4 vs Liverpool…

This year they are gonna win it mostly thanks to their defensive quality. They are scoring barely 1,5 goal/game. And they may end up outside the top 5 scoring sides.
 
I’m pleased for him and hope he wins the league with Napoli scoring the winning goals in the remaining games.
He always impressed me with his professionalism in his interviews. Thats a credit to him but also I like to think part of the United education.

it probably would have been better to keep him instead of signing Zirkzee. But he’s pushing 29 soon so his time was always running out here.

Hope to see him sample a few different Italian teams and become the reference point for Brits in Serie A.