Maybe not. But he does remind me of Fletcher who was of a similar standard.
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Maybe not. But he does remind me of Fletcher who was of a similar standard.
He is bang average player and should not play for United but huge respect for that penalty. He fecked up in 90th minute but still decided to shoot penalty. Respect.
No. Andy Robertson is.
....why is he bang average?
The people who think he’s crap probably don’t rate Jordan Henderson either.
He has to get better at breaking up play and passing. It surely depends on what role ole wants him to playing for us. Ole has been trying to turn him into an defensive midfielder and those are vital qualities for that, especially the first one.
As already mentioned, the lad's just 23. Very rare to see the finished article at that age in terms of the kind of role he plays.
As it stands right now, improving his passing consistency alone would make him a pretty good player. He's already been important and made some vital contributions these last couple of years. He may not be particuarly refined (as yet), but if he was called Tomaldo and had popped out his ma half way around the globe his name would be all over the 'Matic replacement' thread.
As it stands right now, improving his passing consistency alone would make him a pretty good player. He's already been important and made some vital contributions these last couple of years. He may not be particuarly refined (as yet), but if he was called Tomaldo and had popped out his ma half way around the globe his name would be all over the 'Matic replacement' thread.
As others have said - if he reaches the level of a prime Fletcher and remains at that level, we're laughing. Because that's a very handy player to have around.
Plenty of development left in McTominay.
That he had the bottle after his mistake to step up and take a crucial spot kick shows his character. And playing in a back three for his country shows his versatility.
That he had the bottle after his mistake to step up and take a crucial spot kick shows his character. And playing in a back three for his country shows his versatility.
Why should we not play for United even if he is a bang average player? Most fans dont understand its a team game and we need players who can do the job when needed sometimes.
I believe his mental attributes are way above average and that alone will help him establish his place over more so called talented stars who couldn't be arsed. Not talking about his technical game which isn't too shabby either.
Gets a bit more time and space on the ball as a defender. Would be interesting to see him like that for Man Utd. Or maybe even RWB if we play three at the back.
I have watched replays of Serbia's goal about 10 times to try to understand what McT as trying to do. I still can't get my head around it. Aside from that he did okay.
agreed.Really? Isn't he younger than Scott?
What if someone said you are a bang average poster, who should not be allowed to post on RedCafe? Respect though, respect.
Scott is 2 years younger.
And that would be legit opinion. And is some crime or insult to say that someone is average?
Anyway, McT is average in every way (for Man Utd midfielder). Average technique, he is not creative enough, his passing ability is not good, ball control is also average. He has some use but he is far from Man Utd material.
But the thing is that fans overrate players who "give 110% every game". Go on Lindelof's or Shaw's thread. People there saying much worse things about those two. You will reply to them in a way how you replied to me?
I replied to you in this way because of your cynical back-handed compliment. What purpose did your comment have in the context of Scotland's qualification?
That he is mentally top player. Many players would hide from that penalty (and would be shaken even in ET).
He’s quite good, actually, I suggest you watch him more closely. The sort of John O’Shea/Darren Fletcher/Phil Neville player who makes the difference when the more talented ones aren’t performing.
I like him. Lots of Pashun, but he is also a very tidy player. Doesn’t try to do too much, but knows what he CAN do, as evidenced in the video of him vs Serbia - some excellent forward passes, a couple of good runs and even some moments of quick feet showing his technique.
Being able to play RCB is an interesting one, since we have seen Shaw at LCB and he did well. Maybe those two with Maguire in the middle, Telles and AWB as wing backs will be the way forward.
Being able to play RCB is an interesting one, since we have seen Shaw at LCB and he did well. Maybe those two with Maguire in the middle, Telles and AWB as wing backs will be the way forward.
Just out of interest, is it just me, or is it a little odd to see Fletcher consistently grouped with this calibre of player? I think he was a far better player than the likes of Phil Neville and O'Shea. Genuinely believe he was developing into a top class midfielder, before his illness. Anyway to keep this thread on track, I think Mctominay has shown enough so far to be considered a good squad option. Hopefully he continues to improve and with his mentality, who knows how good he can be.
Completely agree that 08/09 season he was phenomenal and was improving so much, had the energy and engine plus excellent passing.
I bet most of the McTominay haters are disgruntled Pogba Fanboys
Not just you. Fletch got into the PFA Team of the year in 09/10 - I always thought that was a great personal accolade he achieved which largely goes unnoticed. I also think he got something like 12 assists that season which is a tremendous output for a player we relied on doing all the nitty gritty in midfield. Became such an accomplished passer of the ball too - which should give everyone hope Scott’s distribution will get better and better.
Back on Fletch, I hold that guy in the highest of esteem. Actually my fave United player of all time. I keep wishing he’ll release a book - would be fascinating!
Yes but you can find times where everyone has made those kind of passes, even smalling.
It's not rare and it's no real indicator that he's a good passer.
The main difference between McTominay and Fletcher is the latter could run with the ball. Scott movement resembles a Centre Back.
Overall I think Darren top level was phenomenal, but his "normal" level was close to current McT.
Overall I think Darren top level was phenomenal, but his "normal" level was close to current McT.
Fletcher was much better passer of the ball and also had decent shooting technique but IMO McTominay's dribbling is better than Fletcher's.
Scott's a good player to have in a squad. Not elite but very serviceable. And I think he'll get better with time, like Fletch did too. I'm happy he gets to play in a major tournament too! Though I'm finding the Scottish celebrations at qualifying a bit over the top...
Slightly odd correlation. Do they have a bitter rivalry the rest are unaware of? I think Scott is a decent player but I'm not sure whether he'll end up being not good enough for this club or a solid squad player. He is physically strong, mobile, has a good mentality and can do a bit of everything. On the other hand, he is technically average and his passing is poor.
Fletcher was better passer, but not by much. McTominay shooting technique and control in tight spaces is superior to Fletch IMO. Don't think there's much between them, although Fletcher had one great season, I expect Scott to continue improving.
I do think Fletcher was a different player. More similar to Henderson/Ward-Prowse. Probably a bit more talented as a footballer. But McT is on another planet physically. Much faster and more explosive. 7-8 cm taller.
But Fletcher at 23 got so much hate in here. I dont think he got much recognition until the season with that Arsenal game where he was sent off. He was 25 at the time.
But Fletcher at 23 got so much hate in here. I dont think he got much recognition until the season with that Arsenal game where he was sent off. He was 25 at the time.
I think Fletcher is the classic comparison of McTom.
Both started out with people thinking they were dreadful and shouldn't be anywhere near it, and then improved immeasurably.
The advantage Fletcher had is that he played in some superb United sides, so his role complemented the team.
McTom is playing in a much inferior team.
It's still to be seen whether he can improve another level yet. But you dare say if he had a Scholes in there with him, and two great centre backs, and quality wingers and forwards round him it'd be easier!
it is a good comparison, I’ve just thought though, even though it took a long time for the majority of Utd fans to have faith in Fletcher, he was identified very early on a a talented player. If I remember, fergie wanted to play him as a 16 year old, but wasn’t allowed to due to school regulations or something similar. McT on the other hand came to the fore much later.
it just shows some players take time to win over the fans, and also to grow into their role. If McT can have anything close to the career of Fletcher, he will be a great asset, as long as he stay fit.
no chance. If he was Tomaldo he'd ve struggling to break through in his respective country.Scott's probably around the same place Fletcher was at this stage of his career. The difference is that Fletch was far more highly rated as a youth player so it was quite disappointing he was 'only' this good, and he then took the step up to where he was expected to be for 18 months before the illness took hold. Whereas McTominay never seemed to be particularly highly rated while he was coming through the ranks and it's a bit surprising he's achieved what he has. Obviously the incredible growth spurt throws that off a bit though as McTominay at 6'4" is almost a completely different player than he was as a 5'8" 16yo.
It's yet to be seen if McTominay keeps improving and can get closer to Fletcher's top level. I do remember being quite impressed with his improvement on the ball at the beginning of last season, he'd obviously been working on it and both his passing and his control in small places had improved massively over that preseason. Unfortunately they seemed to slip away as the season wore on, but he showed enough to hope that he can do that on a more permanent basis. There were a couple of good moments in his last match, so hopefully.
The advantage Fletcher has was that he was a better football with cleaner, superior technical qualities and a lesser reliance of physical strength.
And Fletcher actually started out as somewhat of a wonderkid we wanted to feature in the first team at the age of 16.
Maybe Mctominay will improve drastically but it's amusing how people club him with vastly superior players (first Keane now Park and Fletcher) as if he's destined to reach the top and doesn't have severe weaknesses in his game.
People assume that the likes of Park and Flecher were all effort and hence essentially carried by others, which wasn't the case. It's just that our quality was so good even our squad players tended to be very good footballers.
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