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There are literally thousands of players who are 21. The problem is he has shown no aptitude at all to somehow magically develop his positioning and awareness to a high standard which you somehow believe based purely off the fact he is 21.
When the whole hope is for him to develop skill sets which he has shown to be very weak at then chances are he just isn't any good.
Think he's looked ok at times this season but he was gash tonight.
Think he's looked ok at times this season but he was gash tonight.
I don't think he was, although I'm not 100% on that. I remember people calling him Fergies son and claiming he was only playing due to being Scottish. He was widely ridiculed and slated when he first came through for us. Just something to remember when judging young players so early in their career.Well, Fletcher was a star in the youth teams, right? (Genuinely asking because I can't remember but I believe he was). Having watched McTominay for a couple of years he's never impressed me nevermind been one of the best players in our U23s.
Think of this, TFM is strong, quick, decent in the air and pretty good on the ball. Shall we throw him up top and hope he develops finishing because after all he is only 20? No, because his play near the opponents box isn't much good. So it's ridiculous to expect him to somehow develop a finishing ability for a top team. You don't just hope he somehow develops it because he is 20 when there are plenty of 20 year olds who are already good at it and can improve even more.I don't understand your logic. Since there are thousands of players at similar age it will make it impossible for him to develop specific attributes ? There's no "magic" in developing positioning and awareness when we're talking about a 21 years old midfielder. He's still young and plenty of time for him to improve and develop.
If we want youngsters to break from the academy we need patience on them.
Hes a good defensive midfielder, but today he was told to play as a box to box and he really struggled. That said i don't think he has 10 senior competitive appearance so hopefully he can improve.Goes about the game without doing much. Surprised so many think he can be a squad player or the next Fletcher.
Fergie wanted to give him his debut at 16 but wasn't allowed to because he was still on schoolboy terms. He won reserve player of the year and early threads on here say his debut was good and people were asking for him to get a lot of game time the next season. He was a highly rated youth player, McTominay has never been anything but a bang average one.I don't think he was, although I'm not 100% on that. I remember people calling him Fergies son and claiming he was only playing due to being Scottish. He was widely ridiculed and slated when he first came through for us. Just something to remember when judging young players so early in their career.
Yeah, but Fletcher came through having been a great player for our youth team so giving him time was easier because we knew the potential was there, whereas McTominay has always looked average so it's hard to see the point in giving him time when he's never shown anything at any level.I don't think he was, although I'm not 100% on that. I remember people calling him Fergies son and claiming he was only playing due to being Scottish. He was widely ridiculed and slated when he first came through for us. Just something to remember when judging young players so early in their career.
Think of this, TFM is strong, quick, decent in the air and pretty good on the ball. Shall we throw him up top and hope he develops finishing because after all he is only 20? No, because his play near the opponents box isn't much good. So it's ridiculous to expect him to somehow develop a finishing ability for a top team. You don't just hope he somehow develops it because he is 20 when there are plenty of 20 year olds who are already good at it and can improve even more.
There are countless 21 year olds with much better positioning and defensive awareness than McTominay who has looked very poor at it. So tell me how it makes sense to then expect him to develop those attributes to the highest standards when he shows little aptitude to it compared to his peers.
If we want youngsters to break from the academy they need to actually be talented. Rashford, Axel, TFM, Gomes, Andreas. Those are talented academy players who have potential to make it. McTominay doesn't, he isn't even close to the bracket of top academy players. You can be patient all you want, some players aren't good enough and he isn't. Years of patience wasn't going to turn Blackett into a capable defender nor will it McTominay.
Hes a good defensive midfielder, but today he was told to play as a box to box and he really struggled. That said i don't think he has 10 senior competitive appearance so hopefully he can improve.
Is he? He hasn't shown it in his appearances for the first team. I don't see the positional sense, the passing, the vision, any defensive nous, nothing. Looks like a very ordinary player every time he plays. And this, "he is young", is not an excuse. You have to show talent even if you are young. I don't think he has much.
It isn't stopping him from developing attributes. It means there are many 21 year olds who are already better at those attributes and are also still improving.No offense but once again I think your logic is very bizarre I must admit. How are you comparing a defender playing as a forward with a midfielder playing as a midfielder ? We're discussing if he'll be a 6 or 8 midfielder but he's a midfielder. We didn't talk about moving him to a different position to come with that very strange example. And again with that " there're many 21 years old players so no chance for him to develop ". I just don't understand how is that seriously supposed to prevent him from developing certain attributes. If that was the case no players would have ever been able to develop except top talents.
No one is saying he should play regularly nowadays or that he gets all the tools currently to play for us. I agreed with you that he still needs to develop his positioning and tackling timing but the difference point is you consider these impossible to be developed for a 21 years old midfielder, which I don't understand why.
He's very young and that's his first season with the first team. Not all young players come out bursting at top level and some needs time to develop their attributes. Give him some time. It's not like he's hurting the time or taking his position from other players or anything.
He played well in his previous appearance. His positioning and ball winning in previous matches as a 6 was good. He also is very good at retaining possession in tight spaces. He however doesn't seem to have quality in the final third though that could be due to a lack of confidence.
I would be ok with him playing 6 for us against bottom 10 premier league sides. He probably has a future as herrera's replacement eventually as a back up 6. But it's early days, it usually takes 50 or more senior appearances before players start to plateau out and you have a good gauge of their true ability.
It isn't stopping him from developing attributes. It means there are many 21 year olds who are already better at those attributes and are also still improving.
Where have I said they are impossible to develop? I said its ridiculous to expect a player who has shown very poor positioning and defensive awareness to somehow turn around and develop them to a high enough standard for us and to a higher standard than fellow 21 year olds who already possess those qualities.
Well yes it could be argued TFM, Axel and Andreas would all benefit from game time here and all can play in CM even if it isn't their first position. All 3 are miles more talented than McTominay.
Should send him there on loan until the end of the season.I imagine he’ll gravitate towards West Brom over the next couple of years.
Should send him there on loan until the end of the season.
Almost as pointless as keeping him as as a sixth option for two midfield places. If we draw a top team on Monday I can't see him getting any minutes until the end of the season, especially now that Carrick and Fellaini are back.That would be pointless.
Same for me. Just doesn't seem to have anything special which screams a United player. Seems like another Cleverley, rated by own fans when younger but who would not get a second look if he played for a mid table team.I just don't see anything in him that suggests he can make it here, but I will give him more time to change my opinion!
Really? He lost the ball at least 3-4 times in the first half and ran into players blindly while trying to dribble.Other than the crossfield pass where he lost it in the second half and subsequent booking, there wasn't much too have a go at him about. 7/10 type stuff for someone of his experience he has much more to hold his head up high about tonight when comparing his run out to Darmian and Rojo.
