My biggest issue with this situation is this. In todays football on highest level young players rarely get a chance. So why waste time and space on player who will not be important first team player in future( lets be honest here, who see mctominay as important player in future?),when we have mensah, gomes and chong? Those are players that i want to see in squad. Maybe they will fail also but they have potential to be something special. Especially gomes and chong. We are club which goals are on highest level. Titles and success. That must be standard for youth also. Except rashford in last 15 years, we are producing players like cleverley, welbeck, wilson, keane, blackett, mcnair... players for other, midtable clubs. We must produce players for us. For our first squad. If that will be one player in 3 years, good. But lets not waste time on players who will not be first team material. And mctominay is not.
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Genuinely didn't know that. Now that you say it, the "Mc" gives it away...
Sums up my fading interest in United unfortunately.
Why does he have an English flag next to his picture on RedCafe?
Dunno. He does qualify for England, so maybe that's it. He's declared for Scotland though.
In today's footballing world, fans tend to think that only flair players are good and should be given chances.
I grew up believing and still believe that there is a category of footballers who lack flair but are equally as essential in teams as the very best fancy ball players. These players will never wow you but they have heart, grit, energy, strong mentality, tactical discipline and they play for the team. They also have many other off pitch qualities that win their managers over: loyalty, commitment to following instructions to the letter and the willingness to play any role that are assigned including coming off the bench.
It often takes a long time before such players are appreciated and people usually wonder why managers keep playing them.
I believe McTominay is growing in that direction. I see it in him and I hope it all clicks for the kid.
I grew up believing and still believe that there is a category of footballers who lack flair but are equally as essential in teams as the very best fancy ball players. These players will never wow you but they have heart, grit, energy, strong mentality, tactical discipline and they play for the team. They also have many other off pitch qualities that win their managers over: loyalty, commitment to following instructions to the letter and the willingness to play any role that are assigned including coming off the bench.
It often takes a long time before such players are appreciated and people usually wonder why managers keep playing them.
I believe McTominay is growing in that direction. I see it in him and I hope it all clicks for the kid.
Well we will see how much he plays when we buy a midfielder or two in the summer. No problem with the praise, young players will always get praise for simple things. He was simply at the right place at the right time to get his chance. He was consistently selected mainly because of lack of options in midfield, that is quite simple.
And there is nothing wrong about my post, people who watched academy for years would mostly agree, and that is still my opinion. It is of course easier to go with the flow and praise player for simple things. Cleverley was a better passer than him, and got insane amount of praise, because people just get excited about young kid in the first team easily, should we get him back? Those players play bottom of the table or as squadies in the midtable at best. We are Manchester United and should look and develop the best talents in the world and match the likes of Barcelona, Real or Bayern, not just trying to be too nice and develop every kid who's got a good attitude to prove some point.
He may stay around the first team in the next season, but with more talented players around he won't play as much and eventually leave, no chance that a premier league club would take him and give him regular gametime, he might get a job in championship because his profile will be too high for the teams not to try him out, it is up to the kid how he establishes himself but I highly doubt he will have a longterm future with us. That is my prediction. It would be easy to join the bandwagon and trying to find praise for him but I don't see nothing in his game with my own eyes not to back my opinion.
And that he impressed Mourinho, SAF etc? Simple he's Mourinho's project, again he was at the right place at the right time, kid did okay, so he kept him around. SAF will naturally back him up, as he likes his young Scottish/English players and kids with attitude form the academy, he will back Mourinho, of course he will get into the spotlight of media and talks, who will ask questions and managers and noone will say a bad thing about him.. nobody knew about this kid before and by chance he got to play few games and people are curious and won't be negative about him. Is he the next hope for the country? Mourinho can't be wrong, can't he? But maybe people start to realize that he might not be the best talent, Gaz mentioned just last game, he's not technically sound for a Manchester United midfielder, well that's quite some statement against the positive media flow form a renowned pundit.
People can see his deficiencies but are afraid to say anything because of authorities and there are people like you who might not see anything but will be satisfied and convinced just by the fact that there are other people who know but in fact he's well rated maybe by Mourinho and other people seemed to join the bandwagoon.. There is even nothing to justify his regular spot in a poor Scottish international team let alone being selected for a team to be the best in the world. The immense reputation he got out of nowhere because Mourinho selected him gets him some good chances against the odds though.
Let's revisit this in few years how wrong you or I was but don't call my post the worst ever, that's a massive overreaction, especially when there is at least the same chance that you are as wrong.
Can you imagine if Fellaini renews, Carrick retires and Jose says Scott and Marouane are his two new midfielders?
He is a defensive midfielder, so of course he won't get any praise here.
If he played in a more flashy position and had a low centre of gravity, he could suck game after game and still be the new Messi or whatever. At least McTominay is giving his all.
If he played in a more flashy position and had a low centre of gravity, he could suck game after game and still be the new Messi or whatever. At least McTominay is giving his all.
Judging from the comments above it sounds like he could take Lingard's old mantle of being the club scapegoat. Is he the most talented player? Certainly not but what he gives you is 100% effort and commitment. He's been very useful for us this season, I can't really see much of a future here for him long term and if we buy a one or two new centre midfielders in the summer I doubt we'll see much of him next season.
I found Gary Neville's comments in the match about him possibly becoming a centre back very interesting, because of his lack of ability on the ball, I could see that becoming a real possibility for him especially with his height.
I found Gary Neville's comments in the match about him possibly becoming a centre back very interesting, because of his lack of ability on the ball, I could see that becoming a real possibility for him especially with his height.
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Might turn out to be a decent player but I have to agree with Gary here. A Manchester United midfielder has to have better ability on the ball. Hope he continues to improve.
Another shit game where he has disappeared and made near no impact. And another game where he has half the passes completed and touches of his midfield partners. He coasts through games not offering anything. At one point he ran around clueless while Mata and Darmian played around him becuase he has no clue how to position himself to receive the ball. He just randomly runs around. And with two deep lying midfielders behind him he still offered nothing going forward. A half pace testimonial type game and still couldn't get involved.
He doesn't do anything bad but nothing good either because he really just doesn't do anything. There are no outstanding qualities to his play.
He doesn't do anything bad but nothing good either because he really just doesn't do anything. There are no outstanding qualities to his play.
I hope Mourinho persists with him as I feel he has more in his locker than we've seen. I think he'll win over many supporters as he improves
People can say what they want about him, but at least he gets around the pitch and makes an effort.
You could have said the same thing about Ben Pearson. Making an effort isn't a selling point, it's a basic requirement.
You need a lot more than that to be good enough for a big club and McTominay doesn't have it. We wouldn't be interested in him if he played elsewhere.
What you're saying is true, but have you seen Pogba and Matic move around in midfield with their ability? If they moved with the same energy, our midfield would not be everyone's b!tch when they are playing in a midfield 2.
Don't see anything in his gameplay to think he can become a busquets someday, at least not yet. But he can genuinely easily displace whatever Matic's best effort, before you notice. He may not become Carrick type for a long time, but no reason to think he'll just be some defensive nutcase. for a player who was completely used as a defensive player who doesn't need to take much risks or create much of things, he really showed enough to suggest he doesn't mind the ball, something Gary Neville doesn't realize, before coming to this conclusion that he isn't good enough for us. He also has amazing cross on him(and in general his kicking has been fantastic) and I can't wait to see him slowly learn and eventually replace Herrera even though he may just not be as fast a thinker who can also keep things simple and yet going, but nothing at this point to suggest he is devoid of intelligence and brain to be part of a football team that wants to play in good tempo.
He is a squad player. He is 20-21. It was his first full year training with main team. Give him 2 or 3 years before you decide if he is good enough for our standards. He can play almost anywhere(and should, for his learning), and I dont mind if he learns slowly. Even the very best of defensive midfielders, need to have good ball control, and be able to find spaces, and I am encouraged by how he has played this year and how much he can grow and in coming years.
It's his first proper season for the first team. Give the kid a break. It wasn't his best game yesterday but he does have potential. Fergie and Jose both think he has high potential.
He's just a young player, going to have better games and worse games. Giving him a player of the season award and making him out to be something he isnt wont help him though
Quite baffling to see loads of posters on here saying he's never going to be like Carrick. That's been evident for ages and is stating the quite obvious... He's going to develop into a Matic player if all goes according to plan. Anyone expecting him to be running the tempo of the game or getting assists from deep (especially at 21) are idiots.
Worth saying that Carrick at 21 was getting relegated with West Ham and Matic was playing youth football at Chelsea (where in his first stint he would get 3 apps in 3 years) and would go on loan to Vitesse the following season. When you combine Scott's growth related injuries at youth level as well as the position he's ultimately going to play he was always going to be a late developer. Give him time to develop and be patient when he's being played as a box to box.
Worth saying that Carrick at 21 was getting relegated with West Ham and Matic was playing youth football at Chelsea (where in his first stint he would get 3 apps in 3 years) and would go on loan to Vitesse the following season. When you combine Scott's growth related injuries at youth level as well as the position he's ultimately going to play he was always going to be a late developer. Give him time to develop and be patient when he's being played as a box to box.
I just don't get most of the fans. First they say give the youth a chance and don't overpay players and when someone like Scott gets promoted to the first team the bashing is inevitable. He can't be on Matic's level in his debut season.
Probably not, but surely that's the point of youth players coming into the senior squad, to fill out squad roles.
We probably would never have been interested in O'Shea either but how many games did he end up playing for us.
Stopped reading. That's just mind boggling.
My thoughts as well.
Next season will definitely be interesting though - especially if Mourinho signs 2 CM's, as is being rumored.
Should be loaned out next season. Not currently good enough to be playing for us. That's not to say he won't be, but right now he just isn't.
He's a typical Mourinho player. Tall, strong and would jump of a bridge if Mourinho told him to (his twitter cover pic his him and Mourinho shaking hands) I think he's got the makings of a decent squad player maybe a bit like Darren Fletcher.
Fletcher was more than just a squad player in his prime.
We should loan him out next season. He looks pretty decent sometimes, but for the most part looks like a championship/league one level player.
Not sure if there's a good way to embed an IG post but there's the link anyway. It's from @scotlandnationalteam during a foot-volleyball training session. McTominay strikes a pretty mean bicycle there...had no idea he was that agile..like a bloody ninja
As Jose said, we really haven't seen what this lad is capable of... I'm excited to see what next season brings for him.Assuming the fact we’ve signed Fred means we’ll transition to a 433, he’ll probably be 5th choice next season (Matic, Pogba, Fred, Herrera).
Assuming we don’t sign anyone else, I’d be happy to keep him as part of the squad and think that’s a good role for him for now. If we get another midfielder I’d be asking the likes of Wolves or Southampton if they wanted him on loan.
Assuming we don’t sign anyone else, I’d be happy to keep him as part of the squad and think that’s a good role for him for now. If we get another midfielder I’d be asking the likes of Wolves or Southampton if they wanted him on loan.
Yeah it’ll be difficult to be a regular starter but I’m sure he’ll get his chances. Being around good senior midfielders will only help him.
Very true. Easy to forget he's got plenty of time. Seems like the right temperament as well. Wishful thinking perhaps, but it'd be great to see him step in as Matic's career with us winds down.
I would imagine that’s probably Jose’s plan/hopes as well. It’s clear he rates him highly.
Rangers would be an ideal loan IMO. He would be an instant starter in a team that has high crowds every week and with him playing for Scotland would make sense.
He'd be on the bench at Wolves... I think he should go on loan though and we should get a 5th midfielder
I would keep him well away from Rangers. Who knows how they'll go next season under Gerrard, it has potential to be a bit of a disaster.
In no way would any of those clubs want him on loan though, he hasn't shown anything and said clubs have good midfielders already. You think McTominay would challenge players like Romeu? Even Lemina isn't getting games for Southampton.
Not sure if there's a good way to embed an IG post but there's the link anyway. It's from @scotlandnationalteam during a foot-volleyball training session. McTominay strikes a pretty mean bicycle there...had no idea he was that agile..like a bloody ninja
He's a professional footballer, not some 40+ years old sitting behind his desk at an office. Give me a camera and even I could do that with my over-the-hill 32 year old body.
Not too many Premier League players are that agile, certainly not 6' plus CMs.
In any case, everybody has a camera, mate. Use your phone and go for it. And please do share
I think it's definitely wishful thinking. He doesn't have enough about him to last here.
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