The embodiment?
Right...he's responsible for: poor coach appointments,poor team selection,tactics,investment. It's a wonder he's not blamed for Covid-19...wait I need to scroll up, it may be there
Schmeichel: One player is only here to promote his personal brand
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The embodiment?
Right...he's responsible for: poor coach appointments,poor team selection,tactics,investment. It's a wonder he's not blamed for Covid-19...wait I need to scroll up, it may be there
That suggests that the problem is with supporters for equating one with the other. It's irrelevant!
If the club is paying him fantastic wages, that's not his problem;the club is to blame. Then to criticise him for having a business sideline??
Shows the fickle nature of football fans
The embodiment?
Right...he's responsible for: poor coach appointments,poor team selection,tactics,investment. It's a wonder he's not blamed for Covid-19...wait I need to scroll up, it may be there
Of course he isn't responsible for those things. But he embodies what has been a poor attitude at the club for a rather long time. This is a guy who released a clothing brand days before a game against Liverpool.
Are we forgetting that Schmeichel played for City and celebrated like a madman when they beat us with him in goal? I think those optics are more damaging than a home-grown player who does nothing but show love for our club. The same Schmeichel that racially abused Ian Wright?
Tbh. Feck him.
Tbh. Feck him.
My guess is that he did it on his phone once and his phone is autocorrecting to it now.
Has happened to me a few times.
But the statement was that 'he's the embodiment of all that's wrong.' There were a lot of things wrong prior to Lingard making a breakthrough. He's not responsible for any of it.
The second part is irrelevant, and you know it.
I really want us to shift Lingard but I don't see it this way. He's always been immature, I don't see how these videos (as daft as they sound) are him throwing his toys out the pram. The Raiola thing, I don't see how it correlates either. Maybe if I was reaaaaaally stretching I could see something, but more than likely Raiola is known to get good deals for his clients, hence the teamup.
Also on Welbeck, after leaving United he said he always saw himself playing for United.
That being said, I'm all aboard the get JLingz out of town train.
Oh yeah, so he did
Yep, I made the point earlier. He's also one who laid into SAF before being sacked. He had to make a grovelling apology which resulted in a change of heart by Fergie.
He's a prize cnut who doesn't really lay into the club as it would jeopardise his 'ambassador status.' Instead he's been coming out with these wild accusations. Even Gary Neville has some withering criticism of the club.
Yes..feck him!
Not saying I necessarily agree that he's the embodiment of all that is wrong with the club. But I think the club has suffered from players who's attitude to their football isn't anywhere to close where it needs to be at a top club. Lingard isn't unique in that respect, but he's certainly guilty of it. And he's just not a very good football player, when all said and done.
And why is it irrelevant? It shows where his priorities lie. His focus should have been on the game at hand, not on his clothing brand and his side business. Again this isn't unique to Lingard, it's an attitude that has festered within the club for years now. Thankfully it looks to be changing under Ole, though only time will tell. Keane nails it here for me.
EDIT - Thought that was the rant on Lingard but it is a different video.
You're reading that wrong. The loss isn'n closer to 300k just because the companys total liability is close to 300k. Assets have a value for a reason. Loss is NOT offset by assets. Loss is loss. Assets are value.
Loss IS -£-211,588
Total Assets - £75,589
Total Liabilities - £287,177
Net Assets - £-211,588
The balance sheet states that £287,177 is owed to trade creditors. Hereunder suppliers. Now mind you this was back in January 2019. JLingz must manufacture in Britain I suppose they may have gotten short term credit by the factory, typical this is a 30-60 day period (60 days is rare though, I can't fathom why a manufacturer would do that for a small startup, but Jesses status certainly would help). I manufacture products in Pakistan, Thailand, China, India and Vietnam and they all want a minimum of a portion of the total cost upfront. The next balance sheet is due October 2020. Since JLingz LTD is still operating I expect a few things:
- Jesse being the majority shareholder and obvious moneybank will have had to put more money into the company to offset the creditor debt.
- Total Assets will be WAY up
- Total Liabilities will be more than doubled. (Contingent on the company still having a outstanding manufacturers debt at the time of filing)
- Gross sales will be extremely underwhelming compared to total assets
The problem i'm seeing for Jesse is very obvious. He's selling a brand that is entirely connected to his person. if he's not popular, his sales are going to drop like a rock.
There are currently over 150 items stocked in the JLingz.com website, most of which are not sold out. The obvious takeaway from that is that they are not selling a lot of products.
The frontpage features the NHS proceed donated facemasks, as well as the AW19 line. We're deep into SS20, going on AW20 in August so that is not a good look at all.
JLingz LTD is a typical small time startup company that's trying to breach ground, their advantage is that they have a wealthy owner and backer with a strong financial backbone to help the company get up and going and offset any early-days operational losses. When Jesse inevitably (and he already must have since the company is still operating) puts in more money, that will be included in a investors bond that is added to the companys Total Liability. It's a loan to the company that a investor expects back.
Is Jesse likely going to see any return on his investment? No, very likely no. If his current career trajectory continues he won't become what he needs to be to have a personal brand take off: Popular. Sure he still has fans and people that like him, but they aren't enough to offset the company losses. He needs thousands of customers.
Clothing is a hard business for many reasons: Competition is beyond hard, returns are a constant nightmare (For some absurd reason there is no size chart under the products so that's going to increase his losses simply because return% will increase), and lots of other small things to go into running a small company.
The takeaway from all of this is that it's time to start looking at this as a hobby of Jesse's, not a time consuming engagement. There is noting in the companys profile that indicates this takes up a lot of Jesse's time.
This is a very small company. Most companies ARE small so that is not an insult, it's just the reality of owning a business. To say that Jesse is profiting from this is just an outright lie, he does not earn anything on this brand, he's losing money. Not more than he can afford, but unless he becomes a England regular again he's never going to see a return on his investment.
Yep. Remember this, too.
Club legend and best ever GK to ever play for us notwithstanding, the man is a proper cnut.
Completely agree. People will manufacture criticisms if they just don't like someone.
Great post. As someone who knows nothing about this type of stuff, was very interesting to read.
You think that just because someone is a public figure that gives you the right to insult and abuse them? I guess you quite like the #cancel culture we live in. Wonder if you would be so embracing public harrasment if you were on the receiving end...
And you are absolutely right to critisize his footballing performance. I have no problem with that.
But for the rest, there is a very rational way to "condemn" his actions - do not consume his stuff. Do not follow him on social media, do not give him your time and attention. If anything, that's what makes his brand.
But then going to say "a lot of other other people agree with me" is not the best argument. A lot of people agreed with Hitler too. Popular opinions are not automatically the right opinions both from factual or moral perspective.
Huh? I meant I don't see him appointing Raiola as him throwing his toys out the pram.Conveniently it does when its Pogba though.
Agree completely and you know posters like the one you addressed would completely turn a blind eye to all these 'perceived transgressions,' if he'd been doing the business on the pitch. Huge double standards
Infiltrate one of the biggest clubs In the world and make it as a full pro, then finally realise your main goal of setting up a brand. Sounds like a reasonable plan anyone can follow.
Constructive criticism of a public persona isn't allowed now?
He has been immature and he has in all honesty acted like a plonker. The club agrees, a vast majority of United supporters seem to agree as do football supporters in general with my sentiments.
So you finally agree I have addressed his on pitch performances as well. Am I allowed to do that? Just checking with you before get deeply offended again.
I don't invest in his merch and I don't follow him on social media, however social media does have a way of putting people into your news feed and you still sadly get to see their antics.
Jesus were on to Hitler now after JLinz human rights have been violated now apparently.
You'd only get these kind of dramatic OTT sentiments where JLinz is involved.
What's next the racism card cause I dare question his public antics and on field performances?
It was not my opinion, it’s Schmeichel’s words and as an ambassador, of course he have some inside information. There is no way I can speak about Lingard’s off field antics, but the truth is his form has falled off the cliff and that doesn’t help him at all.
I'm just saying when supporters discuss Pogba, often Raiola's name is side by side with his and used as a weapon against Pogba as being a "cancer" and bad attitude and wanting out of the club.
Your mission... should you choose to accept it...
A culture of Obsessive self promotion, Characters with the maturity of a stunted 12 year old whilst not doing the business on the pitch, still getting contract extensions. In a nutshell that's the situation that's been festering at the club for while now IMO.The embodiment?
Right...he's responsible for: poor coach appointments,poor team selection,tactics,investment. It's a wonder he's not blamed for Covid-19...wait I need to scroll up, it may be there
Yes, all these top coaches that came in and couldn't make it work. It's clearly all the manager's fault, every time....?
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Constructive criticism does not involve insults. You've done just that in, literally, your next sentence.
I've never said you haven't ALSO commented on his on pitch performance. Try to read carefully what is being written.
As for the Hitler comparison, again, it looks like you haven't read or understood it completely.
Wish you all the best. Don't want to waste any more of my time trying to show a hateful person why spewing sh!t on public personas online is neither the smartest, nor the healthiest thing to do.
Fans do have a say on what happens in that 90 mins on field and if it is not as per their expectations then they have every reason to start connecting the dots. Fans spend money on club. For example, I have taken expensive sports package just to watch my favourite club play.
So, someone like you can blame fans as you wish, but the criticism stays valid. Give them performance in 90 mins and nobody will care.
I spoke no lies, his attitude is unprofessional, immature, self serving (am I allowed say that now, or is that too an insult?) and if you want to say he acted a plonker, idiot or whatever to my mind it'd be apt.
Ultimately its the same thing, he lost focus and commitment and will be gone soon.
Cheerio and try not be be offended by every last little thing in the world, can't be healthy being this upset about some comments on a forum surely?
Oh yeah, very true.
Like it was said on the Pogba forum, there is a lot of confirmation bias that goes on with Pogba.
The Athletic said a while back that Lingard and Martial were two players who really admired and looked up to Pogba, and when Pogba said he was leaving it hit them pretty hard. Couple that with Lingards personal problems this year and he’s found himself playing at a level that’s below the PL or top half of the championship.
I think a lot of it isn’t his fault but he just doesn’t have the mentality to play for United. Immaturity was rife in our ranks under Mourinho.
So many comments and people within this thread just seem so naive and childish. I'd expect it from a group of 14 year olds with no real life experience but I'm guessing the average age is older than that.
Some people seem to really struggle with the reality that footballers are people. They do other things outside of football and just because your knickers are in a twist about their form or whatever it may be, that doesn't change the fact that they have lives to get on with. Him creating a brand is irrelevant. I know plenty of people that try to start up business or things on the side of their regular job. Just because you choose to follow this person's private life it doesn't mean you have any right to comment on it. People lose their rational thinking when it comes to footballers and its particularly irking because you can be pretty sure if the people saying these things were face to face with someone like Jesse, they wouldn't be saying this rubbish. It's petulant and stinks of ad hominem attacks. You're not cm commenting on his ability to play football, you're just attacking him as a person which is unfortunately a pathetic and too frequent thing these days. Everyone is Billy big balls on twitter, passing judgement about people and things they a tually have no idea about.
Stop commenting about people and goings on like you have any clue what you're talking about. Half the people commenting probably haven't even been to Manchester, let alone have any real connection to the club beyond jumping onto a successful team's success. You're talking about someone who has basically lived at the club since he was a child. I can guarantee it means more to him than a majority of fans.
He isn't up to the standard we need, that's fine. It's not a stick to beat him with, he's had good moments with us and likely been a popular character during his time at the club. He's hired a good agent most likely due to him being made aware that he isn't part of the long term plans.
Why do people have to be so petty and vicious online? Just stick to commenting on the guy's ability and whether or not he should be part of the team. You don't have to be such a twat about it.
You're way out of your depth by talking about what he should and shouldn't do with his life or what business or contractual decisions he should make. Almost, if not all posters on here will have zero experience dealing with these situations or even know someone who does. So just stop acting like because you can post an opinion that you should post your opinion. Stop talking about things and subjects you aren't informed about. It doesn't make you look clever, you just look like a bellend amongst a group of other bellends.
We can debate and discuss his value to the team all day long, just leave it with that, it's enough. You don't have to be tearing into someone for daring to try and do the best they can in life. It just reeks of jealousy over his situation and rather than rationally discussing his part in the setup, you start attacking the fact that he has a bit of ambition?
Pathetic group of little cowards, honestly. You'd be up his arse if you saw him out and about probably asking for pictures and all sorts.
Some people seem to really struggle with the reality that footballers are people. They do other things outside of football and just because your knickers are in a twist about their form or whatever it may be, that doesn't change the fact that they have lives to get on with. Him creating a brand is irrelevant. I know plenty of people that try to start up business or things on the side of their regular job. Just because you choose to follow this person's private life it doesn't mean you have any right to comment on it. People lose their rational thinking when it comes to footballers and its particularly irking because you can be pretty sure if the people saying these things were face to face with someone like Jesse, they wouldn't be saying this rubbish. It's petulant and stinks of ad hominem attacks. You're not cm commenting on his ability to play football, you're just attacking him as a person which is unfortunately a pathetic and too frequent thing these days. Everyone is Billy big balls on twitter, passing judgement about people and things they a tually have no idea about.
Stop commenting about people and goings on like you have any clue what you're talking about. Half the people commenting probably haven't even been to Manchester, let alone have any real connection to the club beyond jumping onto a successful team's success. You're talking about someone who has basically lived at the club since he was a child. I can guarantee it means more to him than a majority of fans.
He isn't up to the standard we need, that's fine. It's not a stick to beat him with, he's had good moments with us and likely been a popular character during his time at the club. He's hired a good agent most likely due to him being made aware that he isn't part of the long term plans.
Why do people have to be so petty and vicious online? Just stick to commenting on the guy's ability and whether or not he should be part of the team. You don't have to be such a twat about it.
You're way out of your depth by talking about what he should and shouldn't do with his life or what business or contractual decisions he should make. Almost, if not all posters on here will have zero experience dealing with these situations or even know someone who does. So just stop acting like because you can post an opinion that you should post your opinion. Stop talking about things and subjects you aren't informed about. It doesn't make you look clever, you just look like a bellend amongst a group of other bellends.
We can debate and discuss his value to the team all day long, just leave it with that, it's enough. You don't have to be tearing into someone for daring to try and do the best they can in life. It just reeks of jealousy over his situation and rather than rationally discussing his part in the setup, you start attacking the fact that he has a bit of ambition?
Pathetic group of little cowards, honestly. You'd be up his arse if you saw him out and about probably asking for pictures and all sorts.
Well that's absolute nonsense for a start. Any public figure that sets up a Snapchat, Twitter account and other social media accounts which exist for personal promotion and social interaction are literally asking for people to comment and post opinions on what they post. If they post juvenile shite then they are asking for people to ridicule them. We're not talking about Paperazzi parked up outside their house.
The personal insults in terms of looks etc that some get is disgusting, but comments on what they're posting is why social media exists.
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This is silly. First of all, there are reasonable comments here as well even if they are meant to be criticism towards Lingard. I have never seen people on here abusing Lingard. Those are all on twitter. And if you have a problem with that then I suggest you to directly confront the people who tweeted mean stuffs to Lingard in the form of personal attacks and insults.
It kinda makes you wonder why some of the people are taking criticism towards Lingard so personally. Even going as far as bringing up the good old "You don't even live in Manchester". What does it have anything to do with this exactly? why are posters not allowed to comment on his brand? or about him at all? when this forum has threads for every players. They're all discussed all the time, the bad, the good performances and anything controversial that might affect a player's career, including their transfers or their agent's comments. Just because he's been involved with Manchester United all his life doesn't mean he's free from criticism. Criticizing someone reasonably does not equal being a twat. And living in Manchester does not equate to knowing a lot more about Lingard, the "modern social media era" and businesses.
If your argument is about "DON'T YOU DARE COMMENTING ON LINGARD! you don't know him!" well, if he walks past you, he wouldn't recognize you as well. A bit ironic isn't it?
Secondly, the bolded statement is not true. Why would anyone who doesn't really like him as a football player, asking for pictures with him? it sounds like the type of thing a 14 years old would come up with.
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Yes, absolutely, the company made a 211k loss but it's actual liabilities are nearly 300k. That's a lot of money for a small business to owe and surely would weigh on your mind a bit. That's the point I was making. There's every potential that his brand's poor performance may be consuming some of his focus. No one likes to lose money.
Agreed. I don't live in Manchester but have been there to see United play plenty of times along with a stag party in Spinningfields (the less said the better). It's like only Mancs can criticize a local player and their opinions should somehow have more weight when it comes to Lingard or other local lads.
I remember Ferguson wrote in one of his books that the minute he saw Liverpool players in matching Armani suits for the FA Cup final, he knows United will win it. Keane also said a similar thing in his book.
There are not going to be a clear proof that doing so actually losing them the game, but clearly Ferguson took it as Liverpool players has other things in minds other than winning an FA Cup final. And he was proved right in the end
Beckham's brand is so strong even shit like this didn't dent it:
File that under "What was he thinking?"
At least he appears to have left the sarong at home...
At least he appears to have left the sarong at home...
And then his son does that to gift him his moment.
Oof
Oof
You just know that some sections of our fanbase will now say he took his chance today to stay at the club. Now he can be shit for another 10 games until the same questions come up again. We really need to move him on.