Saudi League thread

Saudi PIF (the Saudi sovereign wealth fund, owner of Newcastle United and new owners of the four biggest clubs in Saudi Arabia) are major investors in Clearlake Capital (Chelsea's owner)...

5% is major?
 
Wonder if any Saudi clubs are interested in Bailly.

I imagine he would prefer Europe and probably wouldn't go for it but maybe a Saudi move for Greenwood could work, probably the only way we could cash in on him in a lucrative fashion.
 
Nah they only intrested in filling Chelsea and $hitty's coffers..

Wolves and Arsenal. The pattern seems to be they are really interested in Muslim players, but not exclusively. Makes sense on being able to settle in.
 
Watch us be the only ones in the league to not flog any of our deadwood there while everyone else is raking it in. :lol:
 
Watch us be the only ones in the league to not flog any of our deadwood there while everyone else is raking it in. :lol:

You just know this will be the case. Chelsea will rake in enough to cover FFP and Utd be left with all their excess baggage
 
Watch us be the only ones in the league to not flog any of our deadwood there while everyone else is raking it in. :lol:

You'd think greenwood could go for about 40m given what they paid for neves. They'd be getting an incredible young player with fairly high profile and they're unlikely to care about his issues
 
You'd think greenwood could go for about 40m given what they paid for neves. They'd be getting an incredible young player with fairly high profile and they're unlikely to care about his issues
40m? I'd want 140m! Not sure he'd want to go nor his gf.
 
40m? I'd want 140m! Not sure he'd want to go nor his gf.

He hasn't played in over two years, and there's not many others places we could sell him for a substantial fee, we don't have much leverage. If he gets offered close to a million a week tax free, when his career was potentially over otherwise i think he'd jump at that
 


Bloody hell. Seems like they are making a real go of this now after the golf thing. Won't be enough in football though imo. Too much young quality will come up to take the place of those who leave Europe and with the tougher schedule the sides from the top 3 leagues in Europe will still be stronger than whatever the Saudi league can muster.
 
Bloody hell. Seems like they are making a real go of this now after the golf thing. Won't be enough in football though imo. Too much young quality will come up to take the place of those who leave Europe and with the tougher schedule the sides from the top 3 leagues in Europe will still be stronger than whatever the Saudi league can muster.

It'll depend if broadcasters arpund the world start buying the tv rights for big money and they could potentially make a play for uefa acceptance using Israel as a precedent. But agreed they're going to have to spend an absolute fortune to even be a top 10 league in the world and becoming a top 5 league without uefa acceptance won't happen
 
The Chelsea stuff is just internet chat that sounds cool. The reality is Saudi clubs are not limiting their targets to Chelsea players and are literally trying to sign anyone with that sort of profile from across Europe. Clear coincidence here.
 
Surprised Sky haven't bought the TV rights yet.

I think it will happen this year, look at how much attention even just Ronaldo being there brought the league in terms of people on here commenting, YouTube, reddit, twitter. But now that they're potentially adding 30-40 decent players over the summer, no way a UK broadcaster doesn't buy the rights
 
You just know this will be the case. Chelsea will rake in enough to cover FFP and Utd be left with all their excess baggage

Pretty sure we’d be fine FFP wise for this year by just selling Havertz to Arsenal or Gallagher to a PL club. We’d have to offload more in coming windows in that scenario though, to stay compliant the following year. I think the biggest problem Chelsea had wasn’t even FFP considerations. It was the size of the squad.
 
Only a matter of time before wheels are greased to facilitate the addition of Saudi clubs to the Champions League.
 
Only a matter of time before wheels are greased to facilitate the addition of Saudi clubs to the Champions League.

Al-Hilal will be in this year's Club World Cup as they are the champions of the Saudi league and the host country's league champion gets in. They are seriously laying the ground work to make that happen.

Edit to add the teams

  • Spain's Real Madrid.
  • Brazil's Flamengo.
  • Morocco's Wydad Casablanca.
  • Egypt's Al Ahly.
  • USA's Seattle Sounders.
  • Saudi Arabia's Al-Hilal.
  • New Zealand's Auckland City.
 
Can we not flog any of our players over there? They seem like a cheat code for a computer game. They might singlehandedly fix Boehly's disaster reign at Chelsea by taking all of their players.
 
Al-Hilal will be in this year's Club World Cup as they are the champions of the Saudi league and the host country's league champion gets in. They are seriously laying the ground work to make that happen.

Edit to add the teams

  • Spain's Real Madrid.
  • Brazil's Flamengo.
  • Morocco's Wydad Casablanca.
  • Egypt's Al Ahly.
  • USA's Seattle Sounders.
  • Saudi Arabia's Al-Hilal.
  • New Zealand's Auckland City.

Yout list shows the previous CWC... Al Hilal participated in that as champions of Asia and reached the final, which they lost to Real Madrid... They also played the previous edition and lost the semifinal to Chelsea...

The upcoming edition will see another Saudi club take part, Ittihad as champions of KSA... Japanese club Urawa Reds (who recently defeated Al Hilal in this year's CL final) will represent Asia. And of course Real Madrid and Seattle won't be there (Shitty 115 charges FC will represent Uefa)... From your list only Auckland and Al Ahly will participate in the upcoming edition.
 
Yout list shows the previous CWC... Al Hilal participated in that as champions of Asia and reached the final, which they lost to Real Madrid... They also played the previous edition and lost the semifinal to Chelsea...

The upcoming edition will see another Saudi club take part, Ittihad as champions of KSA... Japanese club Urawa Reds (who recently defeated Al Hilal in this year's CL final) will represent Asia. And of course Real Madrid and Seattle won't be there (Shitty 115 charges FC will represent Uefa)... From your list only Auckland and Al Ahly will participate in the upcoming edition.

You are correct.

Al Ahly, Al Ittihad, Auckland City, Leon, Manchester City, Urawa Red Diamonds.
 
5% is major?

That's not major in terms of the overall value, but they could still be one of it's biggest investors, the other 95% could be made up of other investors who are valued at much less. That could also be spread across multiple entities and different investment vehicles within the group.

Unless you had access to the full list of investments they manage and the list of investors for each one there's actually no way of knowing how much PIF has invested or who the biggest investor is. 5% doesn't sound like a lot, but 5% of 70bn is 3.5bn, which could actually make them one of their biggest individual investors.
 
Only a matter of time before wheels are greased to facilitate the addition of Saudi clubs to the Champions League.
I came into the thread to post the same thing. I can see the subject being broached in the next 2 or 3 years. U€FA will probably cite Israel playing in European football as a precedent and Saudi Arabia is a stone's throw from them. That'll do.

It'll be like Australia in the Eurovision, but even more ridiculous.
 
That's not major in terms of the overall value, but they could still be one of it's biggest investors, the other 95% could be made up of other investors who are valued at much less. That could also be spread across multiple entities and different investment vehicles within the group.

Unless you had access to the full list of investments they manage and the list of investors for each one there's actually no way of knowing how much PIF has invested or who the biggest investor is. 5% doesn't sound like a lot, but 5% of 70bn is 3.5bn, which could actually make them one of their biggest individual investors.

This has been circulating around twitter. I looked to see what is really there. Daily Mail was the source that said that PIF has billions managed by Clearlake. The actual amount is 750M pounds.

Boehly is the co-founder of Cain International alongside his fellow Chelsea director Jonathan Goldstein, who is currently the firm’s chief executive. And on Monday it was announced that Cain International and the Saudi Public Investment Fund, which owns Newcastle, had invested nearly £750million into Aman Group, a company that owns luxury hotels and apartments.

I cannot find anything else about investments in Clearlake by PIF or assets managed by Clearlake for PIF?
 
That's not major in terms of the overall value, but they could still be one of it's biggest investors, the other 95% could be made up of other investors who are valued at much less. That could also be spread across multiple entities and different investment vehicles within the group.

Unless you had access to the full list of investments they manage and the list of investors for each one there's actually no way of knowing how much PIF has invested or who the biggest investor is. 5% doesn't sound like a lot, but 5% of 70bn is 3.5bn, which could actually make them one of their biggest individual investors.

Do the Saudis own 5% of clearlake or do clearlake just manage their funds and invest them, because those are two hugely different things?
 
About time the world teams got a bit stronger Europe has had a real choke hold on the the worlds talents it would be really interesting to see what other countries do and bring them into more of the limelight.

MLS is getting major backing from Apple and growing exponentially and hopefully the Saudi league can follow suit.

Premier League is a long way at the top but want to look at some of its historic and ridiculous rules if it wants to keep up (3pm rule, premflix)

MLS has all games live in 4k on Apple TV already with documentaries etc it’s excellent I’m tempted to sub just for a laugh and see what messi gets up to.

Saudi could do the same and would be smart to forget sky and uk rights get an on demand system going.
 
Do the Saudis own 5% of clearlake or do clearlake just manage their funds and invest them, because those are two hugely different things?

It’s definitely not the first option. They own 0% of Clearlake and 0% of Chelsea. I feel like the wording was deliberately muddied by Daily Mail and people have just taken that and run wild with it. Clearlake manage funds and investments.
 
They are first of all after exposure, not selling their tv rights for most money possible.
You'd think it make sense to strike a deal with either YouTube or Netflix.
 
European rivals of Chelsea and Wolves call for inquiry into Saudi spending spree
Exclusive: Saudi Pro League officials are in London this week to discuss deals with both clubs who are trying to meet FFP rules

Todd Boehly and Jonathan Goldstein, two leading figures in the club’s ownership structure, have been linked with separate business ventures with the huge wealth fund (PIF) as recently as last summer. Real estate firm Cain International, which lists Goldstein as CEO and Boehly as board members, launched a joint project with PIF in August in a $900million investment in luxury hotel group Aman.
 
This has been circulating around twitter. I looked to see what is really there. Daily Mail was the source that said that PIF has billions managed by Clearlake. The actual amount is 750M pounds.



I cannot find anything else about investments in Clearlake by PIF or assets managed by Clearlake for PIF?

Yeah, but without actually having access to the exact information, like a shareholder register of each fund, there's not really anyway of knowing how much or where it's invested. Could be 750m, could be more, could be less.

I think they've pulled the 5% figure out of their arse.

Do the Saudis own 5% of clearlake or do clearlake just manage their funds and invest them, because those are two hugely different things?

From what I understand, they set up a fund, investors put in the money, they then invest it on their behalf. So, nobody invested into Clearlake really owns any of it, Clearlake just manage their assets through their portfolio of funds and investments.
 
If this keep up most of the end of career good to very good players will go there soon. I'd think it will hurt quality of the slightly lower european leagues and mid tier teams. Bummer to me.