Sancho or Messi? Who would you try to sign?

TheNewEra said:
United have a significant amount of commercial revenue and are due for a new shirt sponsor (moving away from Chevrolet) in the next 12 months.

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A deal for both can be done honestly, Sancho will be in instalments over 2-3 years, and Merchandising with Messi would also pay off quite a portion of the wages because of image-rights, PL exposure, and the United fan base in general.
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You are placing way too much emphasis on merchandising. If you honestly think boost in shirt sales for Messi (I'd assume Messi owns his own image rights) and Sancho of several million a year will make a dent in their wages/transfer fees I think you would be in for a shock. You are also completely ignoring my point on COVID which is the most important point I made. How much are Utd (and every other club) losing on matchdays? Everything basically - so that is over £100 million alone gone from your budget completely before you even begin.
 
Nickelodeon said:
It's an academic exercise. We're getting neither.

Also, seeing Messi play for United would be surreal. If that means missing out on Sancho, so be it. Getting Messi would establish us as the club where the players need to be. And the Ronaldo and Messi connection will go down in history.

We're so far away from a title that it would require a superhuman effort to make us win. Who else but Messi can be classified as superhuman?

Getting Sancho means getting a great player in a position we need for a long period of time. Getting Messi means something out of the ordinary which can't be simply put as a player who will play in a position.

If it has to be Sancho or Messi, it would be Messi every single day of the week and twice on Sunday.

Having said that, we're getting neither.

P.S.: For people who're saying it's free, nothing is free in this world. He must also have an agent who will ensure that any potential transfer fee which has become zero, will be attributed as a signing on fee to Messi. Barca are paying him 88 million pounds a year pre-tax salary (44 post tax). If people think, that this is a financially profitable signing, please think again.
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Great post. Besides Messi is too old for the wages involved. We barely got out of the Sanchez situation.
 
Nickelodeon said:
It's an academic exercise. We're getting neither.

Also, seeing Messi play for United would be surreal. If that means missing out on Sancho, so be it. Getting Messi would establish us as the club where the players need to be. And the Ronaldo and Messi connection will go down in history.

We're so far away from a title that it would require a superhuman effort to make us win. Who else but Messi can be classified as superhuman?

Getting Sancho means getting a great player in a position we need for a long period of time. Getting Messi means something out of the ordinary which can't be simply put as a player who will play in a position.

If it has to be Sancho or Messi, it would be Messi every single day of the week and twice on Sunday.

Having said that, we're getting neither.

P.S.: For people who're saying it's free, nothing is free in this world. He must also have an agent who will ensure that any potential transfer fee which has become zero, will be attributed as a signing on fee to Messi. Barca are paying him 88 million pounds a year pre-tax salary (44 post tax). If people think, that this is a financially profitable signing, please think again.
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I have been supporting United for something like 25 years now. Football is about entertainment and emotions, and seeing Messi entering the pitch at OT in a United kit could be some kind of climax to my carreer as United supporter. And this is saying something as I have been lucky enough to witness some great moments and fantastic players.
Long term it makes of course much more sense to use the money to build something with younger players like Sancho.
I guess this is what Koeman got as his mission.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
No issues with going with Sancho but these two are funny.
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The player left out would probably be greenwood. Would he be happy to be a bench player mainly over the next 2-3 years as he wouldn't be short of offers to move on. Messi hasn't played in months of cold damp weather. His family have enjoyed a perfectvlifestyle. Would he or his family be angling to leave asap? 2 different scenarios. All things to consider
 
As much as I would love to see Messi in a United shirt, thinking about it logically, it would be a stupid move in my opinion. Now that we finally seem to have a plan with the squad building and wage structure (and building more for the future than short term), do we really, in all honesty, want to spend wages that would probably get us 4 Sanchos on one 33 year old? I would obviously welcome Messi with open arms, but my brain says no. It would just completely ruin everything that we seem to be building towards. I get that we'd be making m/billions in shirt sales and what not, but we'd still have a player on wages 3-4x that of the next player in the squad. That rarely works out well in terms of squad harmony - I certainly don't see it working out with some of the characters we have at the moment.

If he's going to England he's obviously going to City anyways though, so doesn't really matter.
 
Sancho, Stoke are in the championship so we still wouldn't know if Messi could to it against Stoke in February on a cold windy rainy night.
 
Tom Cato said:
You mean Free Transfer Leo Messi? The only obstacle are his wages, which for a short term project.. tempting, no? (2-3 years)

The Jadon Sancho deal is still very much being negotiated, it's not like the club just gave up.
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People said exactly the same thing about Sanchez, "he free, its a steal," you don't pay that kind wages for ageing players. committing something probably in the region of a million pound a week to 33-year-old player for 3 years will only end badly. It will also make the damage Sanchez did to our wage structure look small, I know a lot of fans seem to think that United are immune to the finical devastation that is happening around the world but completely blowing your wage structure at the start of what is likely going to be the biggest financial crisis of all time when we have no idea when fans will be allowed back in the stadium and the club's debt is already rising would be beyond foolhardy. Also his age, you also have to completely build the team around him. Which means you are overly reliant on a 33-year-old, which is never a good place to be even when its Messi.

As for still negotiating the Sancho deal? how do you expect that to go?
Woodward "Hey Dortmund will you accept less than 100 million for Sancho"
Doutmund "No"

A week later
Woodward "Hey Dortmund will you accept less than 100 million for Sancho"
Doutmund "No"

A month later...
Woodward "Hey Dortmund will you accept less than 100 million for Sancho"
Doutmund "No"

.... its dead Dortmund want too much money which the club rightly aren't going to pay in the current climate.
 
I will be outraged if we sign Messi! he can go to City if he wants. I want Sancho or Grealish or both
 
This should not even be a debate.
  1. Messi has at best 3 years left in him. It could be a lot less.
  2. He would dismantle our wage structure. Similar to Sanchez. For all his successes, he might not even deliver a return for what we pay him.
  3. Every signing has a risk but I would rather take that risk on a player like Sancho at 190k a week than a 33 year old Messi that would need over 600k a week.
  4. The risk is so high in terms of salary that it would set us back a few years.
On the flip side, if messi took a big cut at 300k, I would happily welcome him. But that is not likely.
 
the chameleon said:
This should not even be a debate.
  1. Messi has at best 3 years left in him. It could be a lot less.
  2. He would dismantle our wage structure. Similar to Sanchez. For all his successes, he might not even deliver a return for what we pay him.
  3. Every signing has a risk but I would rather take that risk on a player like Sancho at 190k a week than a 33 year old Messi that would need over 600k a week.
  4. The risk is so high in terms of salary that it would set us back a few years.
On the flip side, if messi took a big cut at 300k, I would happily welcome him. But that is not likely.
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Except you are comparing fecking Messi (who's still probably the best player in the world) to a past it Sanchez. No that wouldn't upset "wage structure" because no one will have a case of asking for big pay rises because "Leo makes more". That's ridiculous and it severely downplays the player.
 
There's no way Messi is choosing United over Pep's City. I mean he's already getting paid a shit tonne at Barcelona. The only reason for him to leave would be to win the Champions League again and City and not United are capable of winning it sooner. With that being said, we need to worry about the future. So Sancho will be my choice.
 
ti vu said:
Messi of course.

He's free if his contract is possibly terminated. Even with so called crazy wage (still have to pay wage for Sancho after any transfer fee), it would even out. Messi is as guaranteed performer as you can get.
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In the unlikely event that he does leave on a free transfer, his signing on fee will probably be close to £100 million alone, then £1.5 million a week wages on top. A two year contract will cost you just shy of £160 million in wages! That is a hell of a Financial gamble on a 33 Year old.

Sancho would be substantially cheaper.
 
Valencia Shin Crosses said:
Except you are comparing fecking Messi (who's still probably the best player in the world) to a past it Sanchez. No that wouldn't upset "wage structure" because no one will have a case of asking for big pay rises because "Leo makes more". That's ridiculous and it severely downplays the player.
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Of course, they will, even if Messi is currently the best player in the world, there is no question he is not the player he was 3/4 years ago and unlikely to be anywhere near the player he is now by the end of his next contract. He is also unlikely to be able to play 90mins regularly. So in a couple of years when there is an ageing player earning twice as much as everyone else, you don' think that is going to cause problems? of course, it is. Every agent is going to be saying your prepared to pay probably not far off a million pounds a week to someone who can't play every game any more, my player is out there every week he should be getting ......

I'm not saying every player would demand Messi wages, but every player's demands would rise and It would be disastrous for contract negotiations long term, something we are already having massive issues with.
 
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