DJS said:
Not if thos signings have helped us to success
Saha is an ungrateful, disloyal bastard
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Not if thos signings have helped us to success
DJS said:Where did you get that from???
That's what re_deus argued, hence my referrence to Duff which you replied to...An Extremely Boring Man said:
The point about Duff is that Chelsea offered what his contract said MUST be accepted, hence Blackburn had nothing to moan about, given that THEY negotiated his new deal WITH the clause in it.
Saha didnt have such a clause.
An Extremely Boring Man said:
What do you deem as 'success' ?
Re_Deus said:
Would you buy my house, please? £500,000 would do you nicely.
We laugh when we see you are unable to buy anybody, apart from Lemonpeterstorey said:
. Rather have our buys than a fruit with slippery gloves.DJS said:
I suppose that there is a contingency in the budget to cover that event, even if that contigency is selling another player(s).
As we are one of the only profitable clubs, there will always be new money going into the transfer budgets, without the need to do what other clubs do and loan the money.
This club has been manages on a sound financial footing for years. We own our own stadium because of the insight of the board to develop it when it was cheap to do so, and we owe no money on it at all. All our training facilities are paid for and as good as any, and we continue to make a profit.
This financial responsibility will continue.
Of course, becoming a PLC and sensibly managing the resources generated from the share issue had a large part to do with this. I think if anyone should be worried it's Chesea supporters, because if you know who gets board and pulls out, they will be seriously in the shit.
DJS said:
Continuous CL football, pays a big slice of the wage bill for one.
WeasteDevil said:Continuous CL football, pays a big slice of the wage bill for one.
You need to be winning it, not just being involved.
DJS said:
Not to pay the wage bill we dont. For other reasons, yes!
WeasteDevil said:Not to pay the wage bill we dont. For other reasons, yes!
No, someone said they dont mind that you overpay on players, if it means they bring you success. For United, success must be winning the CL, which you havent looked like doing since '99 and frankly, you look a million miles away from being the best in Europe this year.
Interesting that we're a millions miles away when we won the group comfortably, whereas Arsenal are contenders when they struggled out of the group needing last minute winners amongst other things.DJS said:
Cal said:Interesting that we're a millions miles away when we won the group comfortably, whereas Arsenal are contenders when they struggled out of the group needing last minute winners amongst other things.
Grow up Cal....did i say Arsenal were contenders?
In any case, you of all people should realise by now that how many points you win the group by is insignificant when you come up against the big boys, who inevitably sometimes scrape through the group, before going on to lift the trophy.
You're nowhere near as good as Milan, Juve or Madrid this year, IMO.
Davo said:
So the media are more interested in us despite what the "average fan" thinks?Don't you realise that media devotion comes with public interest? The media do not suddenly decide to devote more time on United if the Arse or Chelski generating as much interest.
That's all very well, but I get the feeling that IYO we're never anywhere as good as Milan, Juve or Madrid, is that true?DJS said:
We managed to beat Juve comfortably home & away last season, and despite what some of you think, we're no weaker this season than we were last (look at the number of points we have now vs this time last season).
I stand by my earlier prediction that if we don't draw Real Madrid, we'll go a long way, we seem to play a lot better against Italians than Galaticos.
Cal said:That's all very well, but I get the feeling that IYO we're never anywhere as good as Milan, Juve or Madrid, is that true?
We managed to beat Juve comfortably home & away last season, and despite what some of you think, we're no weaker this season than we were last (look at the number of points we have now vs this time last season).
I stand by my earlier prediction that if we don't draw Real Madrid, we'll go a long way, we seem to play a lot better against Italians than Galaticos.
You were better than those 3 in '99, so you're wrong about my opinion.
As for beating Juve last season, i'm greatly amused that you still cling to this. Fact of the matter is that the teams who win Champions Leagues are those who do 'just enough' usually in the group stages and win when it really matters. You do not do this.
The number of points in the Premiership is irrelevent, as the latter stages of the CL present a bigger challenge, and you're not good enough for that. Arsenal have more points that you in the Premiership, so you presumably feel they'll go further than you in the CL, right? After all, your use of the Premiership to demonstrate how much better United are than last season must surely prevent you from ignoring who is above you right now, non?
You may well go a 'long way', but you wont win it.
You've spent a fair whack of dosh on not very much. Two proper 'top' players would've been far better than 4 or 5 nobodies, which in the bigger scheme of the latter CL stages, is what i think you've signed.
DJS said:
That's a laugh coming from a Liverpool supporter.
I admit the CL will be tough and if United get to the final, they will have done it against quality opposition. Anything can happen during a final. I think the current team is deeper than any other during the SAF era (the 98-99 team was deep too). Saha will be a boost, would like to get Southgate on loan, and having Ole back from injury will be beneficial. Losing Rio might be the nail in the coffin though. I simply have no confidence with Wes at CB against CL foes...he can fare well in the PL. But, someone like Saha and Ole's return might be enough to get that crucial goal in the CL. People need to remember that even though Real outclassed United in Madrid, United were only an Ole header (he missed woefully) from a 6-6 aggregate which might have made a big difference in those last 5 or 6 minutes. I still think Real were deserved winners though. Although I think Tim might have stopped one of those Ronaldo shots.
MrMarcello said:
Why, because it's true?
This thread isnt about Liverpool, so why bring that into it?
What i said is fact (and you yourself said it in a previous post), so you're clutching at straws.
Is that so? So presumably you are writing off Real, Juve & Milan this season cos they all topped their groups easily?DJS said:
I used the last season vs this comparing United 2003 to United 2004. Arsenal continually bottle it in the CL, there is no reason to think they'll do otherwise this season. Celta Vigo have a good draw.
If you think we could go a "long way" (let's assume that means 2 more rounds) and get to the Semis, do you really think we have no chance whatsoever once we get there? The slightest error from the ref or a stupid mistake by the likes of Bravo could be enough for us.
I agree we're by no means favourites for the trophy, but IMO we have a better chance than anyone but Real.
Cal said:That's all very well, but I get the feeling that IYO we're never anywhere as good as Milan, Juve or Madrid, is that true?
We managed to beat Juve comfortably home & away last season, and despite what some of you think, we're no weaker this season than we were last (look at the number of points we have now vs this time last season).
I stand by my earlier prediction that if we don't draw Real Madrid, we'll go a long way, we seem to play a lot better against Italians than Galaticos.
Are you sure you stand by that earlier prediction Calstrodamus?
Don't forget your recent predictions are about as close as Etheopia sending a man to Mars !
Rose tinted about Juve too you were jammy as f**k at home to them even though they had a vastly weakened side.
And you sold Beckham.
Nomatter what ANY of you say, you miss him - end of.
imo you'll really see how much when you face the next round (or two) of the CL.
I think you'll find it as difficult as we will personally, be nice to get you in the CL at some point
Right now I'd fancy it
I think Tim would have stopped 2 of those Ronaldo shots. Didn't they only get 4 or 5 shots on target to score 3 that night?MrMarcello said:
Cal said:Is that so? So presumably you are writing off Real, Juve & Milan this season cos they all topped their groups easily?
I used the last season vs this comparing United 2003 to United 2004. Arsenal continually bottle it in the CL, there is no reason to think they'll do otherwise this season. Celta Vigo have a good draw.
If you think we could go a "long way" (let's assume that means 2 more rounds) and get to the Semis, do you really think we have no chance whatsoever once we get there? The slightest error from the ref or a stupid mistake by the likes of Bravo could be enough for us.
I agree we're by no means favourites for the trophy, but IMO we have a better chance than anyone but Real.
The difference is that those sides can top their groups AND do it when it counts. If you do the latter, then by all means rave about topping the group. But it matters nothing, if you go out in the last 8 or what have you. No-one gives a shit who won what group when the trophy is lifted.
United continually 'bottled' the league for 26 years - everything comes to an end at SOME point, and Arsenal have moved heaven & earth to qualify for the knockout stages - so who says they'll just bottle it again? If that's all you're basing your theory on, then you could be in for a nasty shock.
I didnt say you had 'no chance', everyone has 'a chance'.
But i dont think you'll win it, pure and simple. Your first 11 isnt top quality, let alone your squad.
You 'could' go a long way, but it's dependent on several factors, some of which you have no control over. In terms of quality, you're lacking and it'll cost you IMO.
DJS said:
Hang on a minute, the 2001/2002 team was IMO better than tyhat in 1999. You need a bit of luck in knockout games, especially considering the current opposition, the quality is very good, far better than when you lot won the thing several times, and it can easily come down to a thin line. It did when we won it in 99.
I can give youy multiple instances when we havce been knocked out of the competition when we really were the better team.
Jopub the Gooner said:Are you sure you stand by that earlier prediction Calstrodamus?
Don't forget your recent predictions are about as close as Etheopia sending a man to Mars !
DJS said:
Me simply mentioning who you support has nothing to do with them, CLUE. I just stated "That's a laugh coming from a Liverpool supporter." How is that bringing Liverpool into this thread? It's not like I'm turning the thread around and talking about Liverpool's UEFA cup hopes. That would be pointless as I don't care. I just think it's a laugh when a Liverpool supporter says "you look a million miles away from being the best in Europe this year."
Now that you have forced my hand, if United look a million miles away, would Liverpool be a million lightyears away?
Funny you talk about us being "jammy" against Juve at home and fails to mentioned our 3-0 win at Delle Alpi.Jopub the Gooner said:Are you sure you stand by that earlier prediction Calstrodamus?
Don't forget your recent predictions are about as close as Etheopia sending a man to Mars !
Rose tinted about Juve too you were jammy as f**k at home to them even though they had a vastly weakened side.
And you sold Beckham.
Nomatter what ANY of you say, you miss him - end of.
imo you'll really see how much when you face the next round (or two) of the CL.
I think you'll find it as difficult as we will personally, be nice to get you in the CL at some point
Right now I'd fancy it
How many games in our run to the title did Beckham feature in? Do elaborate on that...
I wouldn't want to play you lot in the CL, bunch of violent thugs, it's no good to us if we beat you lot and end up with only half a team in the round afterwards due to injuries & suspensions.
DJS said:
Well we torched Juve last year and they made the finals. I think we would've beaten Real had Howard been our keeper. There's nothing to suggest that the likes of Juve are better now than last year. Like us, none of the clubs you mentioned are leading their leagues right now and so your assessment of AC, Juve, and Madrid being better than us is completely without any rational foundation whatsoever.
Cal said:Is that so? So presumably you are writing off Real, Juve & Milan this season cos they all topped their groups easily?
I used the last season vs this comparing United 2003 to United 2004. Arsenal continually bottle it in the CL, there is no reason to think they'll do otherwise this season. Celta Vigo have a good draw.
If you think we could go a "long way" (let's assume that means 2 more rounds) and get to the Semis, do you really think we have no chance whatsoever once we get there? The slightest error from the ref or a stupid mistake by the likes of Bravo could be enough for us.
I agree we're by no means favourites for the trophy, but IMO we have a better chance than anyone but Real.
Watch it the ol' co-efficients will be out soon
Desperate..... just desperate Calstro.......'we are the greatest of European superpowers we are .........honestly we really are....feck it, is no one listening to me about this .........we are'
WeasteDevil said:
That's all well and good mate, as luck does indeed play a part in one or two games. But over the course of time (say, a decade), the teams that consistently reach the semi-finals and finals (and win the thing) are obviously the better ones, while those who fall short consistently do so for a reason.
Rather than say the '99 team wasnt as good as 2001-2002 team, so THEREFORE it means the 2001-2002 side was done by bad luck, i'd turn it around and say yes, the '99 team wasnt as good perhaps, but it had FAR more luck.
I think the win in '99 was clearly the exception, rather than the rule, and the years afterwards where you've failed to have a serious impact year after year, are a truer reflection of the United sides of the last decade.
I do, they have done nothing this season to suggest they won't bottle it again, go check their record against Spanish oppositions. I think Celta have every reason to feel confident.DJS said:The difference is that those sides can top their groups AND do it when it counts. If you do the latter, then by all means rave about topping the group. But it matters nothing, if you go out in the last 8 or what have you. No-one gives a shit who won what group when the trophy is lifted.
United continually 'bottled' the league for 26 years - everything comes to an end at SOME point, and Arsenal have moved heaven & earth to qualify for the knockout stages - so who says they'll just bottle it again? If that's all you're basing your theory on, then you could be in for a nasty shock.
I didnt say you had 'no chance', everyone has 'a chance'.
But i dont think you'll win it, pure and simple. Your first 11 isnt top quality, let alone your squad.
You 'could' go a long way, but it's dependent on several factors, some of which you have no control over. In terms of quality, you're lacking and it'll cost you IMO.
Let's just agree to disagree on our chances. One final question, IYO how far will we & the Arse make it respectively.
DJS said:
I love reading your bitter rationalizations as to why United aren't really that good.
MrMarcello said:
But by making the point that it's 'a laugh', you're doing so on the basis that you think certain things about Liverpool - hence, turning the topic around.
To answer your question, yes we're lightyears away from winning the CL and no one would deny it. However, we all have our dominant eras, and we won 4 of them during ours. We havent won the league for 14 years or the European Cup for 20 as we've been at our lowest for decades - and yet, you're STILL playing catchup.
Raoul said:
That's quality reasoning there, seeing as they destroyed you and everytime they got two goals clear which was what? three times, they took their foot off the pedal
You were not even close to them but of course you see it as a glorious failure
Raoul said:
Still going on about beating Juve when it didnt matter much?
And i'd hardly call consistent success (where you've failed) over the past decade 'without any rational foundation whatsoever'.
WeasteDevil said:
That team was pretty solid, but the one thing that cost United the league and CL was the sale of Stam. No matter what Blanc might have done for the youngsters, his old age, lack of pace, and loofiness at times allowed attackers to get off passes and shots, creating solid scoring chances. Stam's sale unsettled the squad at the start of the season. IMO, SAF should have retained Stam till June, then let him go. Yes, he was found guilty of that doping agent, but he may never have tested positive at OT (FA testing was at a different date). Then again, he might have tested positive and screwed United for a few months. But the main thing was the sale unsettled the defense as the season was starting. Not the most oppurtune of times to do that, but better than early or mid season. Stam went on to turn in a solid 02-03 season for Lazio. His no non-sense style is missing here, but I wouldn't have been against his sale in 2002. I just think it was a panic reaction by SAF more than a business decision. SAF doesn't give a shit about dividends and earnings...he cares about winning. Selling Stam cost United the PL, our inability to score in Europe hurt in the tie with Leverkusen.
Jopub the Gooner said:
Watch it the ol' co-efficients will be out soon
Desperate..... just desperate Calstro.......'we are the greatest of European superpowers we are .........honestly we really are....feck it, is no one listening to me about this .........we are'
Hello, can you read you idiot? I said a few messages up there that I think Real have a better chance.
But any attempts to compare you lot with us won't get you anywhere and you know it. How many times have you ever made the quarter finals of the CL??
Jopub the Gooner said:
That's quality reasoning there, seeing as they destroyed you and everytime they got two goals clear which was what? three times, they took their foot off the pedal
You were not even close to them but of course you see it as a glorious failure
Spot on.
Man Utd fans go on about how 'close' they were to eliminating Madrid, seemingly oblivious to the fact that whenever they looked like they MIGHT get close, Madrid went down the other end and scored almost at will.
So ok mancs, well done for *nearly* eliminating a team that gave a feck at 15 minute intervals.
They felt so confident that they felt the need to keep the ball in the corner towards the end.Jopub the Gooner said:
That's quality reasoning there, seeing as they destroyed you and everytime they got two goals clear which was what? three times, they took their foot off the pedal
You were not even close to them but of course you see it as a glorious failure
DJS said:Still going on about beating Juve when it didnt matter much?
And i'd hardly call consistent success (where you've failed) over the past decade 'without any rational foundation whatsoever'.
Its relevant in that we defeated them twice when you're going on about how much better they are. And yes its a what have you done for me lately world and your assessment of Juve being better than us is bizarre and laughable. We're both Champions of our respective leagues and we beat them twice last year. The fact that they made the finals means feck all since they walked away with nothing.
DJS, are you going to give us your prediction on United & the Arse?
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