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£25m wouldn't be a middling option, it would be for a player who can genuinely compete for a place in the starting 11 and perform to a very high level when called apon. He's far from dross. Look at the depth Bayern have for 3 places behind Lewandowski- Ribery/Robben/Costa/Muller/Gotze. £25m in today's market with the new TV money isn't much, Chelsea couldn't get Stones for almost £40m.

It would be, and the transfer would make no sense at all. I could understand if he was a Luke Shaw level talent, then the fee would be somewhat justified. But not for Mane, just like it didn't for Lallana, Lovren and co., a truth that Liverpool are realizing the hard way. Even Real Madrid with their policy of dumping money got a Ballon D'Or level talent like Isco for €30 million. That is great value for money, and the type we should be making, not someone who isn't even among the 20 best players in the Premier League.

There's no point comparing him with the Bayern lot - Ribery, Robben, Costa, Muller, Gotzes of the world and several notches above him. Costa is the least proven of them all, but even he was targeted by Fergie even at Gremio, and somehow ended up in Ukraine. I don't care about the TV money, indiscriminate spending is never a good way to go about things, it's one thing to spend £25 million+ on a young world class potential, whole different issue for a Mane.

As for Nekir he's coming off an ACL injury and if he was fully fit and continues to perform the way he had been you wouldn't be getting him for £25m, absolutely no chance.
Kindly re-read the post. The ACL injury has been factored in. Hence the potential drop in value.

If there's players of Mane's ability available in the Bundesliga for just £10m you should be working as a scout and printing money for premier league teams but it's never that simple in reality.
I'd rather not get personal to be honest. If you have something intelligible to say, address the post, and leave the scout/ FM/ FIFA whatever nonsense aside. Borussia Dortmund bought the likes of Aubameyang for £9 million to be Lewandowski's understudy or a versatile option, Gundogan for £5 million, Leverkusen bought Calhanoglu for £10 million, Bellarabi on a free, Bayern got Rode for free. There's plenty of talent going around, let's be smart with the investments, and leave fees in the region of £25m+ for super talents (Shaw/ Isco/ Hazard), or for players who can dramatically improve the starting XI. Mane is neither.
 
Im of the opinion that we can fill the starting 11 with expensive stars, but the bench and squad should be full of youngsters and prospects looking to break through. It seems to be roughly the model LVG is moving towards too.

Mane is a very good player but he fits neither profile at this moment in time. He will cost a lot but he is not the top player we need in that position. Let him stay another year or two and see what level he reaches first.
 
The point is that Mane isn't near that sort of quality. Griezmann and Fekir are.

Griezmann would cost almost 60m. No big club will be signing Fekir after his ACL and if he comes back to play at the same level and improve you'll be looking for much higher than £25m for him too.

It would be, and the transfer would make no sense at all. I could understand if he was a Luke Shaw level talent, then the fee would be somewhat justified. But not for Mane, just like it didn't for Lallana, Lovren and co., a truth that Liverpool are realizing the hard way. Even Real Madrid with their policy of dumping money got a Ballon D'Or level talent like Isco for €30 million. That is great value for money, and the type we should be making, not someone who isn't even among the 20 best players in the Premier League.

Isco was signed before the Premier league clubs had the new TV money and he's never winning a Ballon D'or. Clubs who invested massively in the past 4/5 years picked up world class players for a 1/3rd of what they'd cost today. Look at the current City team, they signed Silva/Yaya/Aguero/Kompany for around 90m, they'd be lucky to get those 3 for less than 150 in today's market. Look at what they paid for Mangala/Sterling/Otamendi/De Bruyne, that's almost 200m.

There's no point comparing him with the Bayern lot - Ribery, Robben, Costa, Muller, Gotzes of the world and several notches above him. Costa is the least proven of them all, but even he was targeted by Fergie even at Gremio, and somehow ended up in Ukraine. I don't care about the TV money, indiscriminate spending is never a good way to go about things, it's one thing to spend £25 million+ on a young world class potential, whole different issue for a Mane.


Kindly re-read the post. The ACL injury has been factored in. Hence the potential drop in value.

Just because you don't care about TV money doesn't mean you can ignore the influence it has on the transfer market. The majority of premier league teams are in a position were they simply don't have to sell their best players and that's being reflected in the prices we're seeing. When Moyes was manager of Everton Kenwright said he would do his best to get him £5m during the summer and had to sell Pienaar for 3m, now they have a £30m striker and can turn down £37m for Stones. Robben/Ribery/Gotze all bought before the influence of TV money, let's see how much Bayern have to pay when replacing them, I bet it won't be 25m.

I'd rather not get personal to be honest. If you have something intelligible to say, address the post, and leave the scout/ FM/ FIFA whatever nonsense aside. Borussia Dortmund bought the likes of Aubameyang for £9 million to be Lewandowski's understudy or a versatile option, Gundogan for £5 million, Leverkusen bought Calhanoglu for £10 million, Bellarabi on a free, Bayern got Rode for free. There's plenty of talent going around, let's be smart with the investments, and leave fees in the region of £25m+ for super talents (Shaw/ Isco/ Hazard), or for players who can dramatically improve the starting XI. Mane is neither.

For every good deal you can name a number of failures. Dortmund bought Immobile for almost 20m and he's been such a failure they've sent him out on loan after 1 season. Recruitment is one of the toughest jobs in football otherwise everyone would just be picking up £5m gems. As for Shaw I think it's unanimous we paid a high price for him especially when you take into account his reported wages. With Hazard the only reason he went for 30m was because he had a buyout clause and again it was before the massive influx of TV money. If Hazard was available without a clause this summer you'd be looking at De Bruyne/Di Maria or higher transfer fee's.

Not sure how you could watch that performance today and not think that Mane would improve our starting X1. He'd walk in ahead of Mata/Rooney.
 
Actually, according to several reliable sources, Bayern was tracking Mane this summer.

In my opinion, his potential is fantastic.
 
Please sign this guy up he is top drawer and exactly what we need!
 
Mane was head and shoulders Southampton's best player yesterday. Looked the real deal and caused us loads of problem's. My only concern about signing him is that we're trying to bring in another Southampton player! James Ward-Prowse will probably be after him as well.
 
Mane was head and shoulders Southampton's best player yesterday. Looked the real deal and caused us loads of problem's. My only concern about signing him is that we're trying to bring in another Southampton player! James Ward-Prowse will probably be after him as well.

Is Ward-Prowse taking a manager position somewhere in January?
 
I wasn't against the idea of signing him towards the fag end of the summer window because he's a rapid player who can play a bit too and has goal threat.

But now that the summer is gone and we've brough Martial in who gives us pace and strength, we should for someone a lot better. Now, we need a few players with a little extra class and quality to complete this squad.
 
Griezmann would cost almost 60m. No big club will be signing Fekir after his ACL and if he comes back to play at the same level and improve you'll be looking for much higher than £25m for him too.
Good. Rather sign a world class level player, the third highest scorer in La Liga behind Ronaldo and Messi last season, than a player who wouldn't even feature in the Premier League Top 25 for half the amount. If the club wants to spend the TV money, then sign the best talents, or players in the world to justify the expenditure. As for Fekir, I'm sorry, wasn't aware that you can predict the future and categorically state that Nabil Fekir won't be signed by a big club before he reaches his previous level.

Manchester United for one signed Ruud van Nistelrooy after he busted his cruciate ligament at PSV Eindhoven, and he wasn't close to his previous level after rehabilitation. United took a calculated gamble and it paid off handsomely. Also, while Fekir might cost slightly more than £25 million, let's not split hairs over semantics, it's better to target one of the biggest talents in European football, even if he costs slightly more than Mane.

Isco was signed before the Premier league clubs had the new TV money and he's never winning a Ballon D'or. Clubs who invested massively in the past 4/5 years picked up world class players for a 1/3rd of what they'd cost today. Look at the current City team, they signed Silva/Yaya/Aguero/Kompany for around 90m, they'd be lucky to get those 3 for less than 150 in today's market. Look at what they paid for Mangala/Sterling/Otamendi/De Bruyne, that's almost 200m.
Too big a deal in being made out of the Premier League money. Clubs don't have to pay over the odds if they don't want to. It's not like Isco's transfer fee to Real would've doubled just because the Premier League clubs were flush with cash. And again with the grand sweeping declarations, and misappropriation of what I said. They key word was Ballon D'Or level talent, not necessarily eventual winner. Isco is at the forefront of his generation of players, which is what that implied. Frank Ribery, Arjen Robben, Andres Iniesta were/ are Ballon D'Or level players. Did they win it? Not necessarily. But they are in the upper echelon of the sport.

And I'd rather not look to emulate the City model to be honest. Borussia Dortmund achieved more than City through the period, reached the Champion's League final, and their total squad cost £0 million net since Jurgen Klopp took over. Atletico Madrid won the Liga ahead of Barcelona and Real Madrid, reached the Champions League final or a budget than was fractional compared to City. That's the kind of smart business we should be looking to replicate, not City's bloated one that leaves their squad top heavy in terms of age, apart from achieving nada in Europe.

Just because you don't care about TV money doesn't mean you can ignore the influence it has on the transfer market. The majority of premier league teams are in a position were they simply don't have to sell their best players and that's being reflected in the prices we're seeing. When Moyes was manager of Everton Kenwright said he would do his best to get him £5m during the summer and had to sell Pienaar for 3m, now they have a £30m striker and can turn down £37m for Stones. Robben/Ribery/Gotze all bought before the influence of TV money, let's see how much Bayern have to pay when replacing them, I bet it won't be 25m.
You don't have to pay over the odds if you don't want to, it's rather simple. No one is compelling Manchester United to pay double the player's actual value. No one forced Liverpool to unwisely cough up £25 million for Adam Lallana, that in a window where Atletico bought Antoine Griezmann for £24 million, and Dortmund bought Henrikh Mkhitaryan for £24 million. No one forced them to buy Dejan Lovren for £20 million, when Mehdi Benatia moved to Bayern for the same amount of money, and Jose Gimenez, one of the best defensive prospects around signed for Atletico for 1/20th the fee one season earlier. In the same window they signed Mario Balotelli for £16 million, while Juventus signed Alvaro Morata for £14 million. Smart clubs that pay great attention to detail, and invest in their scouting system, and don't get manipulated into paying over the odds will still extract good value, irrespective of the TV deal.

Grzegorz Krychowiak for £4 million, Jan Oblak for £12 million, the market in flush with incredible value. If mid-table Premier League clubs aren't willing to let their players go on a reasonable fee, and want us to pay through the nose, let them be, focus on the La Liga, Seria A, Bundesliga, Ligue 1. There's plenty of affordable talent in those leagues. The intelligent clubs will always find a way to obtain talent on the cheap, and inflate their value. And the TV deal won't stop that.

For every good deal you can name a number of failures. Dortmund bought Immobile for almost 20m and he's been such a failure they've sent him out on loan after 1 season. Recruitment is one of the toughest jobs in football otherwise everyone would just be picking up £5m gems. As for Shaw I think it's unanimous we paid a high price for him especially when you take into account his reported wages. With Hazard the only reason he went for 30m was because he had a buyout clause and again it was before the massive influx of TV money. If Hazard was available without a clause this summer you'd be looking at De Bruyne/Di Maria or higher transfer fee's.

Not sure how you could watch that performance today and not think that Mane would improve our starting X1. He'd walk in ahead of Mata/Rooney.
We should aim to emulate the cases of success, not the failure. There will be some mis-steps along the way, not doubt. But that is why signing an above average mid table player for £25 million would make little sense in principle. Also, the fee for Shaw while a bit over the odds, wasn't unjustifiable given the tantalizing potential he offers (could go on to be one of the best left backs in Europe). Again, the influx will be synchronous with how well planned the transfers are. Some will pay over the odds again and again, and continue to waste the money. Others will be more judicious and target the best players around, along with and brightest talents, which is what we should ideally be doing. One undoubtedly world class player each summer, supplemented with a couple of top notch talents for the long term.

Our aim shouldn't be limited to improving over an under performing Rooney. Right now, there are probably dozens of players who would be an upgrade over him, but what's the long term aim? Benteke was an upgrade over what Liverpool had in the micro perspective, but what's the end game? Slight improvement at the cost of later flushing those players out? Nope. It should be to have top notch players that can help challenge for the Champions League, big game difference makers, or players who offer the potential to do so, that's what the club should be aiming for.
 
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Him + Depay + Martial would have the potential to become a fantastic front 3. Mane being the oldest with 23 would mean they could tear opponents apart together for nearly a decade.
 
Andre Ayew? He has been one of the buys of the season so far, thing is it is his first year in the premier league so bringing him over from france would of likely been seen as a bigger risk than Mane whom we know can perform in well in the league.

Thats the one. Again, dont think either are the right option for our squad right now
 
Good. Rather sign a world class level player, the third highest scorer in La Liga behind Ronaldo and Messi last season, than a player who wouldn't even feature in the Premier League Top 25 for half the amount. If the club wants to spend the TV money, then sign the best talents, or players in the world to justify the expenditure. As for Fekir, I'm sorry, wasn't aware that you can predict the future and categorically state that Nabil Fekir won't be signed by a big club before he reaches his previous level.

Manchester United for one signed Ruud van Nistelrooy after he busted his cruciate ligament at PSV Eindhoven, and he wasn't close to his previous level after rehabilitation. United took a calculated gamble and it paid off handsomely. Also, while Fekir might cost slightly more than £25 million, let's not split hairs over semantics, it's better to target one of the biggest talents in European football, even if he costs slightly more than Mane.


Too big a deal in being made out of the Premier League money. Clubs don't have to pay over the odds if they don't want to. It's not like Isco's transfer fee to Real would've doubled just because the Premier League clubs were flush with cash. And again with the grand sweeping declarations, and misappropriation of what I said. They key word was Ballon D'Or level talent, not necessarily eventual winner. Isco is at the forefront of his generation of players, which is what that implied. Frank Ribery, Arjen Robben, Andres Iniesta were/ are Ballon D'Or level players. Did they win it? Not necessarily. But they are in the upper echelon of the sport.

And I'd rather not look to emulate the City model to be honest. Borussia Dortmund achieved more than City through the period, reached the Champion's League final, and their total squad cost £0 million net since Jurgen Klopp took over. Atletico Madrid won the Liga ahead of Barcelona and Real Madrid, reached the Champions League final or a budget than was fractional compared to City. That's the kind of smart business we should be looking to replicate, not City's bloated one that leaves their squad top heavy in terms of age, apart from achieving nada in Europe.


You don't have to pay over the odds if you don't want to, it's rather simple. No one is compelling Manchester United to pay double the player's actual value. No one forced Liverpool to unwisely cough up £25 million for Adam Lallana, that in a window where Atletico bought Antoine Griezmann for £24 million, and Dortmund bought Henrikh Mkhitaryan for £24 million. No one forced them to buy Dejan Lovren for £20 million, when Mehdi Benatia moved to Bayern for the same amount of money, and Jose Gimenez, one of the best defensive prospects around signed for Atletico for 1/20th the fee one season earlier. In the same window they signed Mario Balotelli for £16 million, while Juventus signed Alvaro Morata for £14 million. Smart clubs that pay great attention to detail, and invest in their scouting system, and don't get manipulated into paying over the odds will still extract good value, irrespective of the TV deal.

Grzegorz Krychowiak for £4 million, Jan Oblak for £12 million, the market in flush with incredible value. If mid-table Premier League clubs aren't willing to let their players go on a reasonable fee, and want us to pay through the nose, let them be, focus on the La Liga, Seria A, Bundesliga, Ligue 1. There's plenty of affordable talent in those leagues. The intelligent clubs will always find a way to obtain talent on the cheap, and inflate their value. And the TV deal won't stop that.


We should aim to emulate the cases of success, not the failure. There will be some mis-steps along the way, not doubt. But that is why signing an above average mid table player for £25 million would make little sense in principle. Also, the fee for Shaw while a bit over the odds, wasn't unjustifiable given the tantalizing potential he offers (could go on to be one of the best left backs in Europe). Again, the influx will be synchronous with how well planned the transfers are. Some will pay over the odds again and again, and continue to waste the money. Others will be more judicious and target the best players around, along with and brightest talents, which is what we should ideally be doing. One undoubtedly world class player each summer, supplemented with a couple of top notch talents for the long term.

Our aim shouldn't be limited to improving over an under performing Rooney. Right now, there are probably dozens of players who would be an upgrade over him, but what's the long term aim? Benteke was an upgrade over what Liverpool had in the micro perspective, but what's the end game? Slight improvement at the cost of later flushing those players out? Nope. It should be to have top notch players that can help challenge for the Champions League, big game difference makers, or players who offer the potential to do so, that's what the club should be aiming for.

No one is arguing that Griezmann would'nt be a better player than Mane, but there's no guarantees we could get him with Bayern likely to splash cash in replacements for Ribery/Robben along with all the other top sides in Europe. The point I'm making is that Mane is a very clear upgrade in 2 positions over a number of players we have available in the starting X1 and not just the squad.

I can predict the future as much as you can, saying £Fekir will go for £25m is a much larger stretch than I'm making.

Over and over again you ignore the realities of the TV money in the transfer market because it suits your narrative. If clubs refuse to meet the asking price for players then they won't get the players they want and will be forced to settle for 2nd best. Should we forget about signing Essien because of his price and stick to picking up Kleberson/Djemba Djemba? For every good deal you bring up I could name 20 stinkers.

I used City as an example to illustrate how the market has changed not to promote their model. A few years ago 90m got you Kompany/Silva/Yaya/Aguero, now 200m gets you Otamendi/De Bruyne/Sterling/Mangala. As for their model I'm afraid Dortmund won just as much as City have and last season spent a lot of time in the relegation zone, you'll find when you examine the top leagues in Europe for the past 20 years shows the teams who invest the most in transfer fee's and wages win the most titles, this is in every single league in Europe. Atletico are outliers and pretty soon they'll end up like Dortmund with all their best players being pinched by the top clubs and be back to 3/4rd every season.

You continue to cherrypick examples of good business from around Europe as if it's really that easy, every one of the club's you've mentioned has made multiple very poor investments. Getting transfers right isn't easy and you're much more likely to find small investments are much less successful than buying proven quality. You call the club's intelligent but the reality is they're transfers are in direct relations to where they sit in the football food chain. Mid table clubs from Spain/Germany can't spend £40m on a player so they look to pick up young internationals with potential and every once in a while they turn into a star. Go look at the business done by all fo these teams in the past 10 years and see how many transfers don't work out. United/Madrid/City/Barca are in a different league all together. Saying we should try to emulate the cases of success not failure is such an obvious point I don't know why you even state it.

As for Mane I really don't see how anyone could look at our current side and not see how he'd be a massive improvement, you do realise the competition for his place in 2 positions is Rooney/Mata/Fellaini/Young? He's comfortably better than all of those in RW and everyone bar Mata as a 10. City can bring on Navas/Nasri/Bony if needed, PSG have Pastore/Lavezzi/Lucas if they fancy changing Di Maria/Cavani etc. You mentioned Nolito earlier as he's been linked with a move to Barca but he's already 28 and would be exactly the type of player you're describing a "middling" player. Everyone at Barca knows you need players of genuine quality capable of challenging for a place in the team and that's all he would be because he's not starting ahead of Messi/Neymar/Suarez. Same goes for Costa at Bayern, they spent 30m on someone capable of playing in the starting 11 but ultimately not good enough to displace Robben/Ribery, he's squad depth. You've also not given Mane the credit he deserves since he's nowhere near the finished article at only 23. Sure he's not Griezmann but with the resources we have he'd be a great addition.
 
Good post.





Back on topic, when I saw the rumours about Mane and with it being the same day as the Pedro deal died, I was extremely disappointed and worried. When the match was on today, I made an effort to watch him more closely as I have a feeling that LvG could be back in for him again either in January or next Summer. His performance today completely changed my mind on him. I think he would be perfect for United. Quick doesn't really describe him, more like feckin rapid! His acceleration is immense, and he is extremely strong with it. However, his speed wasn't what really caught my eye, it was his crossing! He put some lovely crosses in, varied too, from balls whipped in with power, to clever softer crosses with a bit more direction on them. I thought he was excellent at times today, and would be perfect at United with Memphis on the opposite wing, Martial up front and Mata/Rooney as our 10.

He's young, strong, rapidoooooo quick and has a good eye for goal and scores a few, has a good range of crossing and passing and could interchange position too. I think he would be a great signing. That would just leave us a centre back short of a truly great team. It does beg the question where Ed would fit his galatico signing he so wants in to the team, though.

Imo, we dont need one..Building a team by creating our own stars is the way to go..especially as we can make a player into a megastar due to the size of this club in terms of publicity..a 2005/2006 rebuild is what we need..buy players on the verge of that next step instead..Chasing after players that desperately dont want to come here like Bale is a waste of time imo.

Anyway, with Woody saying we may be cutting down on the level of spending recently, we may not have to worry about that.
 
He's not what we need at this moment in time. Mane can take on players, has some trickery and whips in decent crosses, but it would be too much of a muchness between him and Memphis. What we really need is someone who can dictate the attacking play in the final third. Every great attacking unit has one of those players, who assumes the director role and makes things tick, and provides a degree of variation. String neat passes together, control the tempo, feed the other attackers, hold onto the ball when the opportunity isn't there, be calculating, things of that nature, instead of rapid monotonousness. Someone versatile who can be shifted around even as a #10 without a blip in performance level. Like Ozil was for Madrid, Silva in recent seasons is for City, Mkhitaryan for Dortmund this season, who are absolutely flying.

We really miss that type of player right now, Mata isn't the solution, he relies a lot of others and isn't a creative genius per se; neither is Wayne, and adding a somewhat one dimensional counter-attacking threat like Mane won't solve the issue either. Infact, his team-mate Dusan Tadic seems more accomplished for the role, as does someone like Nolito from Celta. Once we get that cookie cutter Jari Litmanen type brain for Van Gaal, the attacking play will improve automatically. Also, Martial isn't superb in the air, he might develop that ability in the future, but that negates one of Mane's biggest qualities from the get go. This should be a no go, especially considering the level we need to get back to in the Champions League.

Ive been saying this all summer! When everyone was screaming for Bale/Reus/Griezeman I kept thinking what we really need is an attacking conductor in the final third to make us tick.
 
Ive been saying this all summer! When everyone was screaming for Bale/Reus/Griezeman I kept thinking what we really need is an attacking conductor in the final third to make us tick.
I don't think it's impossible that we need both, although I still am hoping LVG can harness Januzaj and bring him on a bit to play number 10.

I actually think Firminio would have been a really good signing for us this summer, now that we are clearer about how LVG wants to play. A pacey and tricky goal scorer in 10, rather than a silva/mata/iniesta type player. A young rooney... well firminio was available and looked a good fit based on what he showed at hoffe, even if not at pool so far.

For me anyway we have a slot in the hole (unless LVG get some faith in januzaj) and a spot wide right (which could end up being mane, likely that we'll continue chasing the big player reus/bale etc too you would think)
 
I don't think it's impossible that we need both, although I still am hoping LVG can harness Januzaj and bring him on a bit to play number 10.

I actually think Firminio would have been a really good signing for us this summer, now that we are clearer about how LVG wants to play. A pacey and tricky goal scorer in 10, rather than a silva/mata/iniesta type player. A young rooney... well firminio was available and looked a good fit based on what he showed at hoffe, even if not at pool so far.

For me anyway we have a slot in the hole (unless LVG get some faith in januzaj) and a spot wide right (which could end up being mane, likely that we'll continue chasing the big player reus/bale etc too you would think)

See thats thing, we dont need another player who is better at scoring than creating. We need a player who will want the ball all the time, have very good link up play, never lose possession and have an eye for a pass. Most of the players that fit into that description are not "pacey tricky goal scorers".

I dont know if theres another player out there like Silva, be we need to sign that guy.
 
I do get where @Invictus and others are coming from when they say we should aim for better but on the other hand we should also remember our history visa vis attracting the level of talent they are talking about or when we do how it doesn't work out as planned (Di Maria and Veron). We should also remember the role played by solid, PL experienced players like Valencia, Yorke, Young, Saha etc over the years. I'm not sold on Mane as a long term signing but he could also fall in the category of the above mentioned players and really compliment Memphis and Martial.

I would say we need a player like Silva to run our attack more but I don't think you can ever have too much pace in the side. Having said that, it's not easy to import a No.10 from the continent and have them succeed in this league. Yes Silva, Mata and Ozil have enjoyed varying level of success but PL history is littered with those that have been swallowed by this league's physicality. So maybe we should watch the progress made by Barkley and Eriksen with interest over the season and look to bring one of them here in the summer to be our No.10.
 
See thats thing, we dont need another player who is better at scoring than creating. We need a player who will want the ball all the time, have very good link up play, never lose possession and have an eye for a pass. Most of the players that fit into that description are not "pacey tricky goal scorers".

I dont know if theres another player out there like Silva, be we need to sign that guy.
I hear this being said a lot, but I guess im talking about the player that van gaal wants and not the player that fans think we need. If mata was playing in spain and creating chances in a team that suited him, we'd all be saying how great he'd be at number 10 here. But in reality LVG wouldn't play him at 10 because he's more like silva and less like thomas muller, jari litmanen, or maybe like ronoey was 5 years ago
 
Ive been saying this all summer! When everyone was screaming for Bale/Reus/Griezeman I kept thinking what we really need is an attacking conductor in the final third to make us tick.

I fail to see how Reus does not match this description. I actually thought he fits it perfectly. He can take players on, dictate tempo when needed, has an eye for a pass and can finish.
 
Not really. KdB is in a different league to Mane.

Look at the likes of Young, Lallana, Downing etc who were never able to replicate their form of smaller sides at a larger club.
Look at Valencia, he used to be superb for United.
I like Mane as a player. He'd probably be a better fit than Mata on the right wing. Would be happy if United signed him.
 
Look at Valencia, he used to be superb for United.
I like Mane as a player. He'd probably be a better fit than Mata on the right wing. Would be happy if United signed him.
If we had that Valencia now we'd be joint top, easily. People forget that even average players can put world class performances in systems that suit/compliment them and Mane has the skill set to do well here on the right side of our attack plus he is just not a speed merchant he can pass, dribble, cross and finish. The only downsides to signing him would be the fee that Southampton would demand plus the fact that we will obviously look to upgrade on his position in two or three years time, when we would hopefully be back amongst the big boys in the game. However for this league and our ascent up the ladder he is adequate.
 
Mata tries his best but everyone can see he is not a winger. Mane would fit much better.

If you asked me before the summer I would have wanted one of the big names and not Memphis and Martial. However, it seem nearly impossible to get top players in their prime for reasonable money so we have to look for great future prospects.
Mane is in the same league as the other 2 mentioned. He has a lot of potential. He is still a bit raw but surrounded by better players and managed by someone like LvG he could turn out to be the missing link in our attacking play.

Put Mata as 10 and we have a nice attacking line-up (MMMM).
 
Between Montero and him, there aren't many top flight right wingers left. Both have pace in plenty and Mane is absolutely tireless in his work ethic. Won't be a bad buy if we look to inject more pace and athleticism to that right wing.

Right wingers as in right footed wingers or playing on the right ? Because Montero mostly plays on the left.
 
This Mané impresses him every time I see him, he is fast, powerful, skillful and has a great work rate, to bad that he plays the AFCON.
 
I fail to see how Reus does not match this description. I actually thought he fits it perfectly. He can take players on, dictate tempo when needed, has an eye for a pass and can finish.
Yep. He can do whatever Mane does in a much better way.
 
No one is saying that they would have Mane ahead of Reus, it's just that the prospect of us getting Reus is not a very realistic one. Even though he would be perfect, it seems he harbours a preference for Spain...

Mane, while not the absolute greatest, would fill an immediate need for the squad, and in the long term can effectively transition into a very good squad player once the better talents are available in a year or two's time. Kinda how the Young transfer played out...
 
People have to stop comparing Griezmann to Mane to Reus - they are three very different players. its a question of who would fit best into our style of play. Griezmann from his sociedad days has thrived in a counter attacking system and does so even more so at atletico. He doesnt thrive in possession based games imo. thats one of the reasons i feel hes not as good for france as he is for atletico.

Reus is a better fit than Griezmann since he can thrive in a counter attacking as well as a possession based system. he likes to play in the half spaces on the left side and like Griezmann is more of a forward than a winger. Reus fits van gaals philosophy more than griezmann would imo . But as mentioned above he strongly prefers the left side where we have ample cover.

Mane has always been a maverick. in austria his strongest position was always LW and it has surprised me that he can play at RW just as comfortably. He has improved rapidly over the last 3-4 years and at the moment hes one of the best wingers in the epl. like any good winger his game revolves around running at players. since our team has probably one of the poorest dribbles per game ratio in the league (down to game plan as well as personnel) and our RW is so obviously one of our weak points i think Mane would suit us more than Reus or Griezmann. People who are arguing that he would not be able to reproduce the same form at united clearly havent tracked his development. that being said Mane is not necessarily the most intelligent when it comes to picking the right pass and even though he has bags of ability he might not be ideal player for a possession based system.

Its been mentioned that we need a no.10 more than we need a RW. IMO At the moment we can still use mata/rooney there. the most obvious imbalance in our attack does seem to be on the right hand side which makes our attack predictable and easier to defend against at times. therefore we desperately need a forward/winger who feels at home at RW/RF. IMO out of Mane/Griezmann/Reus - Mane would be the best suited choice in terms of position. but there are of course younger less established players such as Fekir, Bernanrdo Silva, Berardi, Oxlade Chamberlian (:P i rate him) or even younger such as julian brandt, duncan watmore, El Ghazi, who can also be good options at RW, but would be a bigger gamble than Mane.
 
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No thanks. If we do not get our #10 position sorted out, then we should be looking for proven and veteran talents. Depay is having a hard enough time developing, Martial is playing considerably well but is also a rookie;therefore, we should expect some rocky bumps as he develops, Rooney has not been delivering. So far our only player who has been able to give us some good performances along with great productivity is Mata;however, his inability to play as a traditional winger will make him prone to being ineffective against teams that clog the middle of the pitch or park the bus.

We would need someone who we can consistently rely on to give us good performances in and out and to take the load off of our younger talents to create and score. Although Mane is a good talent and has potential to be a great player, he is prone to easily fading out of games, and that is not something we can afford right now.
 
Still think this guy could add something to our team! And to be honest I'd quite like to see us move for him again in January! He's an exciting skillful player who could give us a real alternative on the right hand side or even up front.

I know people aren't convinced by his consistency but he's young and that can come in time! For a January signing I think he'd add real impetus to our attack and freshen things up a lot.
 
but he's young and that can come in time!
We don't have that kind of time to wait around for yet ANOTHER young talent to fulfill its potential.
We are already waiting with
-Depay
-Martial(until proven otherwise)
-Januzaj
-Shaw
-Wilson
Meanwhile, although Rooney's overall play is improving, he is still under performing. Our only consistent player right now is Mata and even at that due to his inability to be a traditional winner (no pace, passive) he may be prone to being ineffective particularly against teams that park the bus.

I am ecstatic we have all these enticing young talents in our team with incredible potential, but we can't rely on them to consistently deliver for us all the time. We need a PROVEN and VETERAN attacking talent who can take the load off of our prospects, and can ease their developing process.
 
Can't say I've seen too much of Mane, because apart from MotD I only ever really watch United games, but he does seem to have an ability to pick up the ball with his back to goal, turn his man and run at the defence. I could see us becoming a lot more dynamic and threatening with him in the side. If we could get him for around £20m he has to be worth a shot.
 
He's not better than either Rooney or Mata. Martial and Depay deserve a chance to prove themselves.
 
Mane would be a sensation here imo sign him up
 
He looks like a player who enjoys operating in space. I suppose everyone does, but I don't think he'd thrive in system which shrinks the playing field as much as LvG's does. Decent player, but better suited to a counter attacking side, imo.
 
He looks like a player who enjoys operating in space. I suppose everyone does, but I don't think he'd thrive in system which shrinks the playing field as much as LvG's does. Decent player, but better suited to a counter attacking side, imo.

I thought LVG's style was the make the pitch as big as possible.. Which is what we do. The opposition try to become compact but that's why we recycle the ball to draw out the space again..

Mane would be fine as he would utilise the space created.
 
He's not better than either Rooney or Mata. Martial and Depay deserve a chance to prove themselves.
Based on this and the previous season, he's miles better than Rooney.

I don't want us to sign him though. Something screams 'a typical average midtable player who looks better there than in a top club'. If we decide to upgrade Rooney, then we should do it with an absolute top player. The likes of Reus, Bale or Griezmann.
 
Based on this and the previous season, he's miles better than Rooney.

I don't want us to sign him though. Something screams 'a typical average midtable player who looks better there than in a top club'. If we decide to upgrade Rooney, then we should do it with an absolute top player. The likes of Reus, Bale or Griezmann.

He'd not replace Rooney though, he'd be playing on the wing. Then again that'd allow Mata to move into the middle and if Martial continues his progress at current rate then there's zero change of Rooney beating him to a place up front either.
 
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