RW Options

devilish said:
We've got too many positions that needs strengthening to worry about RW. Hopefully, Jadon do the job at RW and Rashford can recover his form
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It is a big worry though. Alongside a striker and CM the biggest one probably. Rahsford looks completely done sadly
 
devilish said:
We've got too many positions that needs strengthening to worry about RW. Hopefully, Jadon do the job at RW and Rashford can recover his form
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I think a RW, DM, RB can potentially transform the team next season. If we can sell AWB, Martial, DVB, Henderson there could be money for another cm or backup attacker. Unlikely but Certainly doable.
 
Godfather said:
It is a big worry though. Alongside a striker and CM the biggest one probably. Rahsford looks completely done sadly
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He has also been played out of position. He has never been any good at RW, he is at his best as a left sided forward where he can run at defenders and cut inside.
 
CM10 said:
Not likely to happen on either count. Sancho seems to have cemented himself on the left and we need a replacement for Greenwood.

We need to do a lot of business this summer but right wing has to be a priority.
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While I am not excusing what Greenwood allegedly did in any way, I can't see an 80m rated player's career ending so prematurely on that. Most probably they would come to a generous financial settlement between all parties involved. I think that given proper rest Rashford can be useful on the left, Jadon will be tried on the RW once more (a position he did very well in at Dortmund) and with Elanga, Diallo, Greenwood and Pellistri offer cover/competition. If I am a betting man I can see us spending big on DM and STK next season
 
gorky_utd said:
I think a RW, DM, RB can potentially transform the team next season. If we can sell AWB, Martial, DVB, Henderson there could be money for another cm or backup attacker. Unlikely but Certainly doable.
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Defence will need a rethink. Its built around a low block defence so unless we're ready to play counter attack then Maguire, AWB and possibly Lindelof will have to go. DM is the obvious huge elephant in the room and we need a striker. I think those are the three positions we will be spending big next summer.
 
devilish said:
While I am not excusing what Greenwood allegedly did in any way, I can't see an 80m rated player's career ending so prematurely on that. Most probably they would come to a generous financial settlement between all parties involved. I think that given proper rest Rashford can be useful on the left, Jadon will be tried on the RW once more (a position he did very well in at Dortmund) and with Elanga, Diallo, Greenwood and Pellistri offer cover/competition. If I am a betting man I can see us spending big on DM and STK next season
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What the feck? Rape is a criminal offence. That isn't going to go away just because he pays someone off. Greenwood won't be playing for United again and rightly so.
 
CM10 said:
What the feck? Rape is a criminal offence. That isn't going to go away just because he pays someone off. Greenwood won't be playing for United again and rightly so.
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As said, I am not excusing or minimising anything here. However I do believe that's the way it will go.
 
devilish said:
As said, I am not excusing or minimising anything here. However I do believe that's the way it will go.
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If that was the way it was going to go don't you think that would've happened already? I'm not sure you understand the severity of that situation.
 
CM10 said:
If that was the way it was going to go don't you think that would've happened already? I'm not sure you understand the severity of that situation.
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Financial settlements take time to be reached and in this case its going to be huge, after all the victim has Greenwood's future in her hands. However I agree with you on one thing, unless Greenwood (actually his lawyers) is able to persuade the victim to drop the case then I doubt that we'll see him in a United shirt again.
 
MattofManchester said:
It seems quite a few don't. Despicable, really.
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I do understand it in full. However In over 40 years of following sports I can't recall a young top sportsman's career ending because of it
 
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devilish said:
Defence will need a rethink. Its built around a low block defence so unless we're ready to play counter attack then Maguire, AWB and possibly Lindelof will have to go. DM is the obvious huge elephant in the room and we need a striker. I think those are the three positions we will be spending big next summer.
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Well considering report that Ronaldo will stay next year, I think one of Martial or Rashford will stay as backup. I agree that cb needs upgrade, but Lindelof Varane is not bad for next season. Maybe a striker and cb can be targeted after next season.
 
CM10 said:
What the feck? Rape is a criminal offence. That isn't going to go away just because he pays someone off. Greenwood won't be playing for United again and rightly so.
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Isn’t this exactly what happened to David Goodwillie? Not sure but I think he paid a settlement did he not? Faith Rovers signed him or something recently but there has been so much heat on them with people quitting the woman’s team I think said they would go on strike and so on and I think they have sent him on loan.

I haven’t followed either case closely and no idea what the latest is on Greenwood. Has he been charged with Rape? Last I heard was something about how they role play and this was one of their kinks. Again Ive really never looked in to it just crap I’ve seen whilst occasionally skimming through social media and the likes.

Anyway, even if he is cleared or however that turns out we do need an options there unless Diallo or Pellestri make massive strides. I don’t mind inform Rashford there as he seems a much better team player from the right but current Rashford isn’t fit to clean Bebe’s boots.
 
gorky_utd said:
Well considering report that Ronaldo will stay next year, I think one of Martial or Rashford will stay as backup. I agree that cb needs upgrade, but Lindelof Varane is not bad for next season. Maybe a striker and cb can be targeted after next season.
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In my opinion our priorities are the following and with that order.

1. DM
2. STK
3. CB

That's how I believe things will go. Maybe I am wrong about it. Rashford will be given a second chance probably with Elanga as cover/competition on the left, Sancho will be tried again as RW with Diallo and Pellistri returning. I won't be surprised if Martial is still here as well which will allow the new manager to play him on the left releasing Rashford to the RW. Alot depends on what happens about Greenwood and if we're able to sell players
 
gorky_utd said:
I think a RW, DM, RB can potentially transform the team next season. If we can sell AWB, Martial, DVB, Henderson there could be money for another cm or backup attacker. Unlikely but Certainly doable.
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Could still do with a ST and someone capable of partnering Varane, mind you Lindelof hasn't done a bad job nor Bailly when called upon.
 
Got to be raphinha or Antony surely? I do prefer the both footed wingers though as there not as predictable, having inside forwards all the time isn’t good because it’s easy for the defenders to know what there going to do.
 
devilish said:
In my opinion our priorities are the following and with that order.

1. DM
2. STK
3. CB

That's how I believe things will go. Maybe I am wrong about it. Rashford will be given a second chance probably with Elanga as cover/competition on the left, Sancho will be tried again as RW with Diallo and Pellistri returning. I won't be surprised if Martial is still here as well which will allow the new manager to play him on the left releasing Rashford to the RW. Alot depends on what happens about Greenwood and if we're able to sell players
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Would go

DM (top priority by a country mile)
ST (whatever happens with Ronny)
RB (offer nothing going forward)

Obviously if Pogba still leaves as expected then need a creative CM as well. We have options on RW but not left footed ones.
 
With Amad, Elanga, Pellestri and Sancho there's no way this position will be a priority in the summer. DM, DLP, CF (maybe 2) and a CB all need addressing first.
 
croadyman said:
Would go

DM (top priority by a country mile)
ST (whatever happens with Ronny)
RB (offer nothing going forward)

Obviously if Pogba still leaves as expected then need a creative CM as well
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Let's hope Laird can stay fit and step up.
 
Cathy Ferguson said:
He has also been played out of position. He has never been any good at RW, he is at his best as a left sided forward where he can run at defenders and cut inside.
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the lack of effort is not due to being played out of position. The fact that he cannot beat an opponent is not due to being played out of position. The fact that he tries to take on 4 players is not due to being played out of position.

the least he can do is to put a good effort at pressing, at covering the spaces, and play the simple pass and go.

what he has shown this season is a weak mental strength and a lack of football IQ.
 
I hope if we do target a right sided attacker, then we place more emphasis on touch, technique and dribbling ability, rather than being worried about the player being a speed merchant. I think the key to improving flank play in the half space and wide space is to have technically strong inverted wide forwards with top level fullback support. I'm not sure our fullbacks are good enough to improve us towards the requisite level to compete against the competition.
 
Adnan said:
I hope if we do target a right sided attacker, then we place more emphasis on touch, technique and dribbling ability, rather than being worried about the player being a speed merchant. I think the key to improving flank play in the half space and wide space is to have technically strong inverted wide forwards with top level fullback support. I'm not sure our fullbacks are good enough to improve us towards the requisite level to compete against the competition.
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We'd have a pretty slow attack if we go in with Sancho, Bruno, RW with mediocre pace and Ronaldo into next season.

I sort of agree with the rest of your points but I think we primarily need a ball carrier who can cause some chaos and beat his man. Many ways to go about it, Bernardo, Salah, Hazard are all totally different players but leave them 1v1 or 2v2 (with fullback support) and they will make something happen from the half space.

What I definitely don't want is a young Mata type player. We already have Sancho on the left for that.

I do think the position is a priority. We can stumble along defensively with Shaw / Telles, Lindelof, Varane, Dalot / AwB for now.

DM, RW, CF to rotate with Ronaldo are my priorities.
 
devilish said:
While I am not excusing what Greenwood allegedly did in any way, I can't see an 80m rated player's career ending so prematurely on that. Most probably they would come to a generous financial settlement between all parties involved. I think that given proper rest Rashford can be useful on the left, Jadon will be tried on the RW once more (a position he did very well in at Dortmund) and with Elanga, Diallo, Greenwood and Pellistri offer cover/competition. If I am a betting man I can see us spending big on DM and STK next season
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Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't it in the hands of the police now? Whether or not he plans to chuck some money around they will still investigate. Granted, her non cooperation would make it very, very tough but given the evidence presented they may still wish to proceed. This is all assuming she does back off, which i sincerely hope she doesn't. If he's guilty, the utter shit should absolutely get what's coming to him.
 
Teja said:
We'd have a pretty slow attack if we go in with Sancho, Bruno, RW with mediocre pace and Ronaldo into next season.

I sort of agree with the rest of your points but I think we primarily need a ball carrier who can cause some chaos and beat his man. Many ways to go about it, Bernardo, Salah, Hazard are all totally different players but leave them 1v1 or 2v2 (with fullback support) and they will make something happen from the half space.

What I definitely don't want is a young Mata type player. We already have Sancho on the left for that.

I do think the position is a priority. We can stumble along defensively with Shaw / Telles, Lindelof, Varane, Dalot / AwB for now.

DM, RW, CF to rotate with Ronaldo are my priorities.
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I agree with what you're saying, but i'm hoping we don't ignore the fundamental requirements for a footballer like touch and technique in favour of said player being really quick. I think clubs like United should be able to create a short list of players that fit the profile techhically as well as physically.
 
luke511 said:
With Amad, Elanga, Pellestri and Sancho there's no way this position will be a priority in the summer. DM, DLP, CF (maybe 2) and a CB all need addressing first.
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You could say the same thing about CB, with Maguire, Varane, Lindelof, and Bailly, you could say CB is also not priority (using your winger logic). But in reality, there is question mark in those options because so far Pellistri can’t start in La Liga relegation team, while Amad can’t even get a minute in Rangers.
 
Crazy we have spent £100m the last couple of years on three right wingers alongside having Greenwood that we still need a right winger.

Or do we? Elanga has looked decent on the right, Sancho looked good on the right for Dortmund. Feel a touch of people saying he didnt look effective on the right for us....but durig that period he also didnt look effective on the left, he hadnt settled in. We do also have Amad and Pelestri who are both talented, so on one hand there are plenty of options....but

Greenwood is unlike to ever play for us again and regardless of whether he plays for anyone again.....long term he is a striker. Sancho and Elanga are probably better on the left than right and with Rashfords poor form (personally Id sell him) and MAartial likely to leave, we do need left options still anyway and Amad nor Pellstri have excelled on loan, neither may be ready to come off the bench even next season despite the ability.

In an ideal world Id like us to sign Sulemana who can play both wings....but again he seems more left sided, I jsut think he is a potential superstar.

But right sided players there are a few, seen little of Antony at Ajax, but there is another one closer to home Anthony Gordon at Everton. Seems still under the radar still to me. The one consistent player still during there poo rrun. Great work rate, good technique and delivery, looks a real team player.

Despite the injuries and apparent attitude,,,,and the likely huge salary (all kind of spells past poor transfers)....as a free transfer, I do think Dembele should be considered. The abilty is huge, the player at Dortmund was fantastic, the few times I hav eseen Barcelona he has still looked quality to me, and theres no fee.

As for exciting options, Doku I think has a lot of ability and is one of the few wingers about with the ability to dribble past players not purely on pace. Another seen little of but been impressed with is the managers son at Porto. Tiny player and doesnt look rapid but great dribbling with the ball.
 
devilish said:
In my opinion our priorities are the following and with that order.

1. DM
2. STK
3. CB

That's how I believe things will go. Maybe I am wrong about it. Rashford will be given a second chance probably with Elanga as cover/competition on the left, Sancho will be tried again as RW with Diallo and Pellistri returning. I won't be surprised if Martial is still here as well which will allow the new manager to play him on the left releasing Rashford to the RW. Alot depends on what happens about Greenwood and if we're able to sell players
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Our priorities for me are still dependant on who goes this summer.

But Cavani certainly looks to be off which leave us only with ROnaldo. Also outside of McFred a strong possibility all our other cm leave.

At the moment for me 2 x cm, 1 x CF, 1 x CB is the priority but that coudl all change.

Martial I would be surprised to stay. His commetning on things in the press stinks of someone angling for a move, Rashford for me even in his better periods wasnt a cast iron starter at left wing and DIallo/Pellestri have done nothing on loan so far. So I sincerely hope what you suggest doenst happen, though I feel bar Martial you may be right. For me that is madness, with figures being bandied about over £60m for a potential Rashford sales and him being valued over £70m....he has to be sold for me. He cant play on the right at all and Sancho/Elanga on the left are currently better options. A Rashford sale potentially buys us a striker AND a right winger with some of the options oout there, jsut opinion but its a no brain decision just as sellign Maguire even at a knockdown fee buys a replacement centre back of pretyt much all the options bar Fofana
 
devilish said:
While I am not excusing what Greenwood allegedly did in any way, I can't see an 80m rated player's career ending so prematurely on that. Most probably they would come to a generous financial settlement between all parties involved. I think that given proper rest Rashford can be useful on the left, Jadon will be tried on the RW once more (a position he did very well in at Dortmund) and with Elanga, Diallo, Greenwood and Pellistri offer cover/competition. If I am a betting man I can see us spending big on DM and STK next season
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Mike Tyson went to jail for raping and I am sure his market value is more than 10x of greenwood back then.
 
luke511 said:
With Amad, Elanga, Pellestri and Sancho there's no way this position will be a priority in the summer. DM, DLP, CF (maybe 2) and a CB all need addressing first.
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Sancho is playing from the left.

Amad can't get in the Rangers team. He's just not the level we need. Don't think he's going to make it here. Pellestri the same. He's not doing great things at a small Spanish team.

Elanga tbf does look good though. We definitely need another winger though. The lad at Villarreal looks a decent player.
 
Nou_Camp99 said:
Sancho is playing from the left.

Amad can't get in the Rangers team. He's just not the level we need. Don't think he's going to make it here. Pellestri the same. He's not doing great things at a small Spanish team.

Elanga tbf does look good though. We definitely need another winger though. The lad at Villarreal looks a decent player.
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Amad shouldn't be written off because of the Rangers loan. He's played relatively well for them, he just got dropped after the Celtic game where the whole team had a shocker, and since then the manager's been doing well using his experienced attackers, so no place for the inexperienced. It might also be the case that Amad's not putting the effort in because he's been dropped, in that case a humbling is exactly what he needs. He's shown in a utd shirt that he has the ability and potential to be a successful right winger for us. The same goes for Pellistri really. Them along with Elanga deserve a season to prove whether they're up to it playing right wing competing against each other, whilst other positions are prioritised in the summer. If none of them step up to it over the next year or so then the club goes big on a right winger. They already kinda did that the summer just gone with Sancho, who can also play right wing, so doing it again the summer after would be crazy given the squad situation.
 
GledTheRed said:
He'd have been sacked already if that was the case,
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Why would Club open itself to possibility of wrongful termination if just in case Greenwood gets acquitted .Club won't be deciding his fate until the final verdict is delivered.
 
jesperjaap said:
Our priorities for me are still dependant on who goes this summer.

But Cavani certainly looks to be off which leave us only with ROnaldo. Also outside of McFred a strong possibility all our other cm leave.

At the moment for me 2 x cm, 1 x CF, 1 x CB is the priority but that coudl all change.

Martial I would be surprised to stay. His commetning on things in the press stinks of someone angling for a move, Rashford for me even in his better periods wasnt a cast iron starter at left wing and DIallo/Pellestri have done nothing on loan so far. So I sincerely hope what you suggest doenst happen, though I feel bar Martial you may be right. For me that is madness, with figures being bandied about over £60m for a potential Rashford sales and him being valued over £70m....he has to be sold for me. He cant play on the right at all and Sancho/Elanga on the left are currently better options. A Rashford sale potentially buys us a striker AND a right winger with some of the options oout there, jsut opinion but its a no brain decision just as sellign Maguire even at a knockdown fee buys a replacement centre back of pretyt much all the options bar Fofana
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There are three big issues here

A- We will probably not qualify to the CL. That means less funds.

B- We might not be able to find a buyer for Martial. His salary is ridiculously high for someone whose clearly unreliable on the pitch. Thus Martial will be back unless we decide to pay most of his salary elsewhere

C- We have several positions to be strengthened. The DM role is the most pressing as Matic is the only one who can play there and he's ancient. We need a striker especially if Greenwood is out

I think that United will spend most of their money on a DM and a STK and then we'll make due to what we've got. Rashford had been horrible this season but he was decent in previous years. If he fails then we'll be hoping that Elanga can continue improving on the left to eventually replace him. Meanwhile Jadon can play on the right as shown at Dortmund and we'll be hoping that Diallo and Pellistri would provide adequate cover.

Is that ideal? Surely not but Rome wasn't build in one day and I sincerely can't see United bringing in 5-6 players. Of course things can change. We might find buyers for Martial, Maguire, AWB etc which would add additional funds. I can't see it though.
 
CM10 said:
What the feck? Rape is a criminal offence. That isn't going to go away just because he pays someone off. Greenwood won't be playing for United again and rightly so.
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If he gets taken to court then proven guilty, no doubt about what you said.

But as of yet no charges have been filed and the feds are questioning in extra time. I wonder why that is?.
 
There is a kid at Derby named Malcom Ebiowei, looks like a great potential. Left foot, very technical and goes past players with ease, both in open and tight spaces - similar to Eze.
Obviously not a short term solution but considering Derby situation he would be available for pennies.
I know we already have Amad and Pellistri but you can never have too much young talent.
 
devilish said:
Financial settlements take time to be reached and in this case its going to be huge, after all the victim has Greenwood's future in her hands. However I agree with you on one thing, unless Greenwood (actually his lawyers) is able to persuade the victim to drop the case then I doubt that we'll see him in a United shirt again.
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In the UK an alleged victim cannot drop a case. The Crown prosecution service will decide this based upon whether they believe there is sufficient evidence to potentially obtain a conviction.
 
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