Sorry but how do you connect someone not wanting war to effect the country where they and most of their loved ones are to Brexit…? I really don’t get that
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I’d take wearing the same shoes for the next 10 years over having loved ones killed.
I think I know which way you voted….
There won’t be WWIII. We are dealing with bullies, not death cult psychos. Stay resolute (not talking about Art 5 by the way, keep strangling their economy, and they will back down. Putin’s greatest achievement in the West has been to instil some fear that he’s a madman with his finger on the red button. In reality, he has a desperately weak hand and is running low on viable options. In that scenario, if things continue to get worse, the reaction of the elite over there will be to remove him, not go down in armageddon.
Doesn't matter though, you still have to react in some way or the Russians will keep pushing until they find the line. You just have to be careful not to overreact is all.
Using a well known pacifist and anti nuclear weapons guy as reason to start a global nuclear Armageddon has to be the peak of this thread.
People can be killed by poverty too. Everytime Russia decides to have a bit of fun, poor people in Britain suffer more.
I would agree. Hopefully more weapon deliveries to Ukraine.
Also, Duda apparently now on the phone with Biden, I don’t think there would be a need for it had it been clear that it was Ukrainian S-300.
I dunno. Let's see what the official investigation says.
I can't see why not though. Intercepted or failed missiles have to come down somewhere. You can't will them to land in Ukraine.
Not only cowardly. Feel free to add stupid and evil to it.
Does you not wanting the U.K. to jump in and protect the Palestinians make you an EDF follower?
Article 4 will be invoked
nothing more
nothing more
How can it not affect the UK which is in the same continent? You realise that if everyone would turn the blind eye on and ignore what happens around them, just break all treaties and don't get involved like you suggest, in a few years time we would not be talking about a war in Ukraine but in Poland instead, in 10 years it can very well be right on your doorstep, who would then answer your calls for help if you betrayed your allies? Trust and support works both ways, not only when it suits you.
There's nothing stupid or evil to not wanting to die in an nuclear holocaust.
Doesn't mean I share his opinion, or that I think he's right, but it's a very humane feeling at the moment
EDF? Don‘t create strawmen. The UK is an important member of NATO and a signatory to its treaty obligations. We can‘t decide to flounce out at a time when NATO is dealing with a very complex situation on its borders. If we do so, then what’s left (after 2016) of our reputation as a good faith, reliable actor will be utterly trashed.
Initial post: “feck you guys, good luck over there. Don’t bother us”
And my reaction was literally quoting that post. Why are you turning it into something else entirely?
People need to calm down a bit and stop rushing to conclusions. When the debris has been analyzed we will know what type of missile it was, there is also a good chance that NATO air surveillance have been able to at least partially track the missile and be able to make a qulified guess where it came from.
It certainly would be.
Using a well known pacifist and anti nuclear weapons guy as reason to start a global nuclear Armageddon has to be the peak of this thread.
Well, if that had actually happened and wasn't a hyperbole you made up.
That’s the type of sentiment Putin has been counting on when he launched this invasion and I can guarantee you next step would have been testing NATO proper in the baltics have we had more people of the same type in Europe.
What is article 4?
Article 4
The Parties will consult together whenever, in the opinion of any of them, the territorial integrity, political independence or security of any of the Parties is threatened.
Basically a gathering to decide should they invoke article 5.
Where Allied parties get together to discuss the threat from said incident
The guy wants NATO to start to move into Ukrainian land(Which will cause a war with Russia)and is using a poem from pacifist as justification.
It’s very funny and stupid.
Thanks for the replies!
Does seem more likely that the missile was a mistake though? Surely putin doesn’t want a full nato response? What possible benefit could he gain from that?
must be getting close to the end game soon, I don’t see how things can continue as is for the next 6 months without something major happening (putin gets killed or nuclear escalation).
Does seem more likely that the missile was a mistake though? Surely putin doesn’t want a full nato response? What possible benefit could he gain from that?
must be getting close to the end game soon, I don’t see how things can continue as is for the next 6 months without something major happening (putin gets killed or nuclear escalation).
By the way, Moldova also affected.
https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-war-moldova-power-outages-edfd0a2990ee1a151e970755657ee73b
Are we having the "let Putin do whatever he wants with no reaction or you are for nuclear Armageddon" discussion again?
Different sources saying different things.
Burn the Jews but do it quietly, please.
You guys need to chill out about the nuclear armageddon.
It's only a nuclear armageddon if the West decides it wants one. It takes two to tango such shit. And as far as I can see, the appetite from our side for a nuclear holocaust is non-existent.
Even If Russia uses nuclear weapons, it looks like it will be a conventional response from us and not a nuclear one.
It's only a nuclear armageddon if the West decides it wants one. It takes two to tango such shit. And as far as I can see, the appetite from our side for a nuclear holocaust is non-existent.
Even If Russia uses nuclear weapons, it looks like it will be a conventional response from us and not a nuclear one.
A really sad turn of events. Wankers and their dumb bombs, really.
Some despicable cnuts, those who said that shite about Poland.
Right now, pushing Turkey to allow at least a couple of NATO military ships (let's say 2-3 Arleigh Burke destroyers) to enter the Black Sea under the pretense of protecting grain ships is the appropriate step to follow. It should be a clear warning to Russia that anything with the AEGIS system can shift from a defensive stance to an offensive stance. At the same time, is there anything else that Poland and Lithuania can do to isolate Kaliningrad even more?
Some despicable cnuts, those who said that shite about Poland.
Right now, pushing Turkey to allow at least a couple of NATO military ships (let's say 2-3 Arleigh Burke destroyers) to enter the Black Sea under the pretense of protecting grain ships is the appropriate step to follow. It should be a clear warning to Russia that anything with the AEGIS system can shift from a defensive stance to an offensive stance. At the same time, is there anything else that Poland and Lithuania can do to isolate Kaliningrad even more?
Yep, from some quarters. It seems that only we have something to lose In making these calculations on how to respond. Russians on the other hand are no doubt happy to see their families slaughtered and their cities razed in a nuclear endgame all for a devasted strip of annexed land (in what is already the world’s largest country ) under a regime with no discerning ideology other than accumulating wealth for Itself. It seems like an extension of the idea that only the West has true agency. Everyone else just reacts to what we do.
Apparently anything we do that Russia might not like will result in a nuclear armageddon. Can't send tanks, can't send jets, can't do this or that because it might escalate something and then nuclear armageddon. Decades of constant scaremongering surely pays some dividends for Russia now, luckily (and very surprisingly) we decided to somewhat stand up for ourselves (at least some countries did, although still should do a lot more). The narrative of nuclear armageddon is being pushed by Russia because it suits them, they want to be feared and just pray that everyone falls for this shite.
Its a noisy headline grabber and will generate fury in Poland but strictly speaking in the scheme of the war, I'm thinking its a non-event. Intentional or not, as long as Russia has a shred of plausible deniability, It doesn't matter.