Russian invasion of Ukraine | Fewer tweets, more discussion



The guys in the video (albeit being, let's say, patriotically-minded) are saying that they, 500 mobilized people, are staying in Belgorodskaya oblast' — already with weapons and ammo on hands... without being assigned to any military unit nor given any food, shelter etc.

We've been talking about a potential revolt in Russia from the inside earlier and I said that I doubt that there's enough weapons lying around or organized groups for this to happen. But if they keep it up...
 
This doesn't make much sense to me. Russia already tried that numerous times in first few months according to reports. Nothing was holding them back then. But now they will try harder or something?
Same here, they had the greatest chance when they were on the doorsteps ro Kyiv.
 
This doesn't make much sense to me. Russia already tried that numerous times in first few months according to reports. Nothing was holding them back then. But now they will try harder or something?
At this stage it doesn't seem they have anything left except for state terrorism.
 
Perhaps you remember the Russian journalist who held a sign saying: “Don’t believe the propaganda. They’re lying to you here.”

Here is her story so far. I hope she was able to get out of Russia...

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...rnalist-fled-house-arrest-marina-ovsyannikova

Russian anti-war journalist confirms she has fled house arrest

Marina Ovsyannikova says she refuses to comply with restraint order because she is ‘completely innocent’
Damn, that seems like years ago.
 
So nuking Russia? Isn't that basically ending the world
Well, IF Russia uses tactical nukes, NATO intervene and destroy all Russian weapons within Ukraine. After that, it is Putin's call. If he uses nukes again then NATO are not sitting and watching. Basically, if Putin wants a nuclear war he is getting it.
 
Well, IF Russia uses tactical nukes, NATO intervene and destroy all Russian weapons within Ukraine. After that, it is Putin's call. If he uses nukes again then NATO are not sitting and watching. Basically, if Putin wants a nuclear war he is getting it.
So to finish off your answer, are you basically saying yes, it would be the end of the normal day life as we know it for some foreseeable time for those who survive the 1000s of blasts - should Putin release his nuclear weapons on the western world?

It baffles me that we are a human race are hell-bound on destroying ourselves by creating weapons that would kill millions of people - and one day we will have someone in power who is crazy enough to do it.
 
So to finish off your answer, are you basically saying yes, it would be the end of the normal day life as we know it for some foreseeable time for those who survive the 1000s of blasts - should Putin release his nuclear weapons on the western world?

It baffles me that we are a human race are hell-bound on destroying ourselves by creating weapons that would kill millions of people - and one day we will have someone in power who is crazy enough to do it.
Yes, if Putin goes nuclear, the West are not holding back. As for destroying ourselves, we have been on our way towards this for centuries. We are killing nature, the environment, and we have poisoned air, soil and water. Even our rains are not clean anymore. We are good at being greedy, egoistic, narcissistic species with enough mental and neurological capacity to achieve and fulfil our wishes. The Earth would have been a much better place for the rest of nature without us.
 
To my mind, the leaders of the US and the USSR in the 50s and early 60s were most likely to start a nuclear war. Obviously it's possible, but it not happening then gives me hope.

Now there's no hope of a first strike that allows you to survive above ground. Putin and Biden would die of old age in their underground fortresses, of course, if there was Armageddon.
 
This guy again....making Lindsey Graham appear vaguely rational in the process.



Can the same logic be applied to the US therefore giving more than half the territory to Russia? Asking for a friend.
 


If this is true, what do we call it? I don't know if it fits the definition of a war crime, and I also don't know if it matters whether it was the military or some other branch involved. State terrorism? Under some definitions of terrorism that isn't a thing. It's just semantics anyway, I guess.

It's a weird target in any case. Even if daddy was the goal it's not like he's important for the war.
 
If this is true, what do we call it? I don't know if it fits the definition of a war crime, and I also don't know if it matters whether it was the military or some other branch involved. State terrorism? Under some definitions of terrorism that isn't a thing. It's just semantics anyway, I guess.

It's a weird target in any case. Even if daddy was the goal it's not like he's important for the war.
What Trump did on that Iranian general, whatever its called.
 
What Trump did on that Iranian general, whatever its called.

It's not directly comparable, I don't think, because Soleimani can at least in some sense be considered a military target as a general while Dugin isn't even on the state's payroll. Maybe it would still fall under the same term, though.
 
If this is true, what do we call it? I don't know if it fits the definition of a war crime, and I also don't know if it matters whether it was the military or some other branch involved. State terrorism? Under some definitions of terrorism that isn't a thing. It's just semantics anyway, I guess.

It's a weird target in any case. Even if daddy was the goal it's not like he's important for the war.

Dunno what to call it tbh. It's 2 nations at war. Russia are able to reduce Ukraine towns and cities to ashes without Ukraine being able to strike back on Russia's own turf. I'll have to admit, I had never heard of Dugin before this happened so my knowledge on this is very limited. If he wasn't important, he's definitely an odd target and yeah it was his daughter who bit the bullet rather than him in end even if it wasn't intended.
 
If this is true, what do we call it? I don't know if it fits the definition of a war crime, and I also don't know if it matters whether it was the military or some other branch involved. State terrorism? Under some definitions of terrorism that isn't a thing. It's just semantics anyway, I guess.

It's a weird target in any case. Even if daddy was the goal it's not like he's important for the war.
Probably state terrorism, yeah. Not that it changes anything.

Dunno what to call it tbh. It's 2 nations at war. Russia are able to reduce Ukraine towns and cities to ashes without Ukraine being able to strike back on Russia's own turf. I'll have to admit, I had never heard of Dugin before this happened so my knowledge on this is very limited. If he wasn't important, he's definitely an odd target and yeah it was his daughter who bit the bullet rather than him in end even if it wasn't intended.
His influence on Putin/Russia was a bit overblown by some reports, so maybe whoever ordered a hit actually believed that he was the main ideologist of the so-called Russian Spring.
 
After Putin's "softened" rhetoric about Ukrainians, Valentina Matvienko, speaker of the Federation's Council, suggests piece negotiations a the G20 meeting.

Not that those negotiations should take place but it's interesting how Russia suddenly wants them (or at least tries to show the world that they're open to it).
 
Also, apparently 12 Russian soldiers have escaped Kherson after stealing 2 cars, some automatic rifles, grenade launcher and hand grenades. When they were entering Crimea they already had 4 cars.

The police orientation: https://t.me/pchikov/5161

Who knew that arming criminals could backfire...
 
Also, apparently 12 Russian soldiers have escaped Kherson after stealing 2 cars, some automatic rifles, grenade launcher and hand grenades. When they were entering Crimea they already had 4 cars.

The police orientation: https://t.me/pchikov/5161

Who knew that arming criminals could backfire...
That's even better than just surrendering. Keeping the Russians busy :lol:
 
This guy again....making Lindsey Graham appear vaguely rational in the process.



By his logic Flanders in Belgium, The Basque Country and Catalonia in Spain, Bavaria in Germany etc. should all be granted referendums on independence regardless of what the majority of the population of the country believes.

In fact there is a long list here all over Europe, let's give them all a vote https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_active_separatist_movements_in_Europe

Look how Brexit went, wasn't it great.
 
By his logic Flanders in Belgium, The Basque Country and Catalonia in Spain, Bavaria in Germany etc. should all be granted referendums on independence regardless of what the majority of the population of the country believes.

I mean, yeah. Musk is still an idiot including that tweet, of course.
 
By his logic Flanders in Belgium, The Basque Country and Catalonia in Spain, Bavaria in Germany etc. should all be granted referendums on independence regardless of what the majority of the population of the country believes.

In fact there is a long list here all over Europe, let's give them all a vote https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_active_separatist_movements_in_Europe

Look how Brexit went, wasn't it great.

“Pro-Russia“ (I assume that means voting for Yanukovych) does not equate to “please invade and annex us”. Musk is a complete tool, probably trying to distract attention from his u-turn over Twitter.
 
I mean, yeah. Musk is still an idiot including that tweet, of course.

Actually agree with you if there is a constitutional way to do it there should be, but in all the cases I mentioned above there is no clear majority of mandate based on the currently elected local parties unfortunately. Only in Catalonia (where independence favouring parties are currently 53% of parliament) you could argue that there may be a mandate.

The argument is more nuanced than Elon stupidly saying here is a map of winning parties. A particular party may be in power in a region only based on a coalition or slim majority.
 
Actually agree with you if there is a constitutional way to do it there should be, but in all the cases I mentioned above there is no clear majority of mandate based on the currently elected local parties unfortunately. Only in Catalonia (where independence favouring parties are currently 53% of parliament) you could argue that there may be a mandate.

The argument is more nuanced than Elon stupidly saying here is a map of winning parties. A particular party may be in power in a region only based on a coalition or slim majority.

Constitutionality I don't care so much about; if a country includes regions who doesn't want to be a part of that country, making it illegal for the region to gain independence doesn't make it more right. Obviously constitutionality, or laws and politics more generally, influences how likely it is (to be allowed) to happen, but it doesn't matter for whether or not I'd support a movement given that it has enough support by the people.

We're moving a bit far from the thread topic, though, so to bring it back: Musk is a moron.
 
This guy again....making Lindsey Graham appear vaguely rational in the process.



Funny thing is Party of Regions was running as a pro-EU party that year. Granted they were all a bunch of Kremlin-sponsored bastards, but a lot of people bought into that new course and at one point it even appeared semi-genuine.
 
Funny thing is Party of Regions was running as a pro-EU party that year. Granted they were all a bunch of Kremlin-sponsored bastards, but a lot of people bought into that new course and at one point it even appeared semi-genuine.
So in other words it was a split between a Ukrainian pro EU and a Russian pro EU party.
 
Constitutionality I don't care so much about; if a country includes regions who doesn't want to be a part of that country, making it illegal for the region to gain independence doesn't make it more right. Obviously constitutionality, or laws and politics more generally, influences how likely it is (to be allowed) to happen, but it doesn't matter for whether or not I'd support a movement given that it has enough support by the people.

We're moving a bit far from the thread topic, though, so to bring it back: Musk is a moron.

One snapshot in time shouldn't be enough for independence IMO. If a place votes no they can have as many more votes as they want until they win, it's daft really.