Russian invasion of Ukraine | Fewer tweets, more discussion

Blodssvik said:
I'm not german or in control of any such decisions, am I? My point was the arms shipment shaming is pointless.
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It isn't pointless, because Ukraine needs all the weapons it can get get. The immediate priority is defeating the Russian invasion, all other problems - including that of weapons falling into the wrong hands - can be dealt with later.
 
I understand Ukranians wanting more help but this fingerpointing from a lot of people who couldn't give a flying feck about Ukraine before it was fighting their own enemy isn't exactly convincing me.
 
Abizzz said:
I understand Ukranians wanting more help but this fingerpointing from a lot of people who couldn't give a flying feck about Ukraine before it was fighting their own enemy isn't exactly convincing me.
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Isn't convincing you of what?
 
Wow. That's Medvedev, Rublev (both top 10 players) and Khachanov out of Wimbledon this year. Not sure if I agree with this one.

 
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Abizzz said:
That they have a point that what they demand would make the difference.
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The demands all adds to political pressure on those governments who could do a lot more to help Ukraine. I mean demands from those with influence or who have a high public profile, rather than posts on here.
 
Raoul said:
Wow. That's Medvedev, Rublev (both top 10 players) and Khachanov out of Wimbledon this year. Not sure if I agree with this one.

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I would have hoped that we wouldn’t have issued any of them visas right now anyway.
 
TMDaines said:
I would have hoped that we wouldn’t have issued any of them visas right now anyway.
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Those affiliated with the government or otherwise linked to Putin's power structure, I would agree with. Random athletes getting sanctioned just because Russia happens to be their country of birth wouldn't really accomplish anything imo. Medvedev seems like a very level headed guy from what I've seen.
 
Raoul said:
Those affiliated with the government or otherwise linked to Putin's power structure, I would agree with. Random athletes getting sanctioned just because Russia happens to be their country of birth wouldn't really accomplish anything imo. Medvedev seems like a very level headed guy from what I've seen.
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Maybe, but this is the kind of thinking that allowed Russia to keep participating in the Olympics, basically under their same name and flag.
 
Raoul said:
Those affiliated with the government or otherwise linked to Putin's power structure, I would agree with. Random athletes getting sanctioned just because Russia happens to be their country of birth wouldn't really accomplish anything imo. Medvedev seems like a very level headed guy from what I've seen.
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You are not wrong, but think about the optics and propaganda in Russia if Medvedev wins.
 
Raoul said:
Those affiliated with the government or otherwise linked to Putin's power structure, I would agree with. Random athletes getting sanctioned just because Russia happens to be their country of birth wouldn't really accomplish anything imo. Medvedev seems like a very level headed guy from what I've seen.
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I would have sympathy with anyone who was vocally anti-Putin and condemning the invasion, but any high profile Russian cultural or sporting figures keeping their council (for whatever reason) I would keep as persona non grata for the time being. If you want to represent that flag and that country then this the price you pay when international relations sour.
 
Raoul said:
Wow. That's Medvedev, Rublev (both top 10 players) and Khachanov out of Wimbledon this year. Not sure if I agree with this one.

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I fail to see much of a problem given how Russian athletes are being used to promote the war with the Z symbol.
 
UncleBob said:
I fail to see much of a problem given how Russian athletes are being used to promote the war with the Z symbol.
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I thought it was just one guy who did that ? In either case, what's done is done and its unfortunate that those who have feck all to do with Putin are getting sucked into this.
 
Adversity makes strange bedfellows. The US is trying to buy ammo from Afghanistan (and India) because Ukraine is desperate for 152mm howitzer rounds which we don’t manufacture.
The United States has also agreed to provide some 155-millimeter howitzers, along with 40,000 matching rounds, while trying to buy Soviet-standard ammunition from countries that use it, including nations outside of Europe, like Afghanistan and even India, a longstanding buyer of Russian arms.
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NYT (paywall)
 
Looks like it’s almost the end of the battle of Mariupol according to bbc news tonight. Those guys holding out are something else. Does the Ukraine have enough resources to launch a counter and take it back?
 

This is so evil I’m lost for words but sadly not surprised one bit. I don’t understand how west can just sit there and watch and only do some half-hearted measures.
 
Raoul said:
Wow. That's Medvedev, Rublev (both top 10 players) and Khachanov out of Wimbledon this year. Not sure if I agree with this one.

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Who cares, should have came out loud and clear against the fascist regime. They have all the money to not be bothered about not going back to Russia under Putin.
 
Raoul said:
I thought it was just one guy who did that ? In either case, what's done is done and its unfortunate that those who have feck all to do with Putin are getting sucked into this.
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More than one, but more importantly is the way Russian athletes is being used to promote Putin in Russia. It’s unfortunate, but yeah.
 
Santos J said:
From a quick google it looks like their coalition gov was split on sending lethal weapons so don't know if that caused issues, they have apparently sent some stuff though:
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carvajal said:
In Spain there is a coalition of Government, PSOE (socialists) and Podemos (extreme left).
The latter have ties to Venezuela, they are anti-NATO and nostalgic of Soviet Union. Already in March in the European Parliament they voted (along with Basque separatists) against expanding sanctions on Russia.
They ask for peace "following diplomatic channels."
In short, Pedro Sánchez, whose priority is to maintain the government, is caught by the balls. The Spanish aid supposedly arrived after a call from Borrell to put pressure on him.
The Spanish aid consists of some quite useful rocket launchers due to their low weight and a light machine gun called Cetme Ameli, highly criticized by the Spanish army itself.
Supposedly now Pedro Sánchez is going to travel to Ukraine, but I would say that merely for electoral interests. I would not be surprised by a Macron-style photo session or military clothing
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Thanks for the explanations guys. Hopefully they can find some agreement within government at some point to do more.
 
The BBC reports:

"Turning now to the Donbas region in the east of Ukraine, where Russia has begun a renewed offensive.

A journalist there, Ed Ram, says many people are exhausted and frustrated - they are growing "really tired" of a conflict that has been ongoing since 2014.

"There is a bit of pro-Russian sentiment and historically people have looked to go to Moscow, it is thought of as aspirational, but that pro-Russian sentiment is on the decline," he tells BBC Breakfast.

Locals told him that "the war has turned feelings", they feel "more Ukrainian"...."

On a recent visit to Kreminna - where Russia has taken control - Ram helped to evacuate 17 civilians in an armoured bus. The city was once home to 18,000 people - now only 3,500 remain, he says.

"We picked up civilians who looked very stressed, they rushed out of basements and it was an emotional scene.

"People were hugging loved ones goodbye and it was a real mix of ages - older people who haven't been able to leave and a few young people with children, clutching their pets."

He said one woman, holding a guinea pig and a cat, said she was devastated to leave but after seeing the killings in Bucha she was afraid what would happen if, or when, Russian soldiers arrive in the city."
 
Raoul said:
I thought it was just one guy who did that ? In either case, what's done is done and its unfortunate that those who have feck all to do with Putin are getting sucked into this.
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It is but it's happening on a grand scale for the rest of Russia, and for a reason. No reason their athletes should be exempt. The whole point is to turn the people against Putin for doing this.
 
So for those who wondered how many civilians remain in Mariupol, it's about 120.000. Which seems a lot to me, I thought more had fled the city.

CNN:

Some 120,000 people remain trapped in the besieged Ukrainian city of Mariupol, President Volodymyr Zelensky said on Wednesday.

“According to our information, they are keeping 120,000 people in besieged Mariupol. Crimes that are happening there are far more scary and large scale than in Borodyanka,” Zelensky said while speaking alongside European Council President Charles Michel in Kyiv."
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