Russian invasion of Ukraine | Fewer tweets, more discussion

yeah, the quality is absolutely insane, that's true. If it's a fake, it's one of the best I've ever seen - and while it's reasonable to have doubts seeing such footage in this quality, I think it actually is real.
What we should never forget when watching this combat footage, that every human death is a tragedy and although one might cheer for the Ukrainians to be able to prolongue this war and showing what they are capable of, human beings' bodies were unnecessarily killed. Those soldiers have mothers, fathers, children, grandfathers, friends...ripped from their earthly existence. In the matter of seconds, for nothing.
I understand the reality of war and I am obviously pro Ukraine in this conflict, but even in the anonymity of such videos we must not forget the individuals on either side. It's incredibly sad.
War is hell.

Presumably fighter pilots in the Russian military are a bit higher up the chain and probably on Putins side. feck him. (or her).

Edit: well...I guess as it's fake atleast nobody died!
 
Yep, difficult to know whether Putin genuinely miscalculated so significantly or what we're hearing is slightly exaggerated in terms of Russian war aims. One of the major long term problems of dictatorships, especially ones based on one man, is that they inevitably surround themselves with yes men and discard of those who disagree.

So I can genuinely believe that Putin thought he'd be welcomed into Ukraine as liberators, I can believe that he genuinely thinks he's there to 'denazify' Ukraine. God knows what he's thinking now. Probably that he would have taken the country already if it wasn't for the pesky West.

Don't see how this can be a sustained operation for them to be honest.
Or.............it's going to plan and he wants us to think it isn't? I think his aim is to have the Ukraine and turn it into Belorussia II. The longer it takes, the more leave, the more it's destroyed, the less livable it is. He then eventually gets a massive area rich in resources.
 
Presumably fighter pilots in the Russian military are a bit higher up the chain and probably on Putins side. feck him. (or her).

I understand the hate and that many of them willingly chose their fate, but I can not avoid feeling misery and having compassion with everyone involved, no matter what their motivations were. I pity the guilty as I pity the innocent. My brain says I shouldn't and that they don't deserve to be pitied, but I simply feel it.
 
The smoke was my first thought, however that's what i mean by the good quality is throwing me. First thought was fake, but then i thought the HQ nature of it was just messing with my brain and is probably real :wenger:

The smoke is what convinced me it was real footage. CGI isn't that good.
 


There's an interview on WSJ with some Ukrainian special forces guys saying they are going out every night attacking the Russian supply columns. They say they've lost 2 guys to about 60 Russians killed and dozens of trucks and armour destroyed. All of them armed with UK donated weapons and trained by Nato over the last few years.
 
There's an interview on WSJ with some Ukrainian special forces guys saying they are going out every night attacking the Russian supply columns. They say they've lost 2 guys to about 60 Russians killed and dozens of trucks and armour destroyed. All of them armed with UK donated weapons and trained by Nato over the last few years.

If the below article is true and specialists from around Europe are being brought together to create a mercenary insurgency army it would be a major boost to the Ukrainian effort.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/sas-veterans-ukraines-fight-russia-26352610
 
One of the replies in the comments says it's a mistranslation. Not 1 year ago but 1 hour ago?


It’s 1 hour. If it was in Russian it would be 1 year. The Ukrainian word for hour is very close to the Russian year.
 
Maybe it's cynical, but I'm extremely sceptical of the Mariupol ceasefire. Seems like an excuse to level the city afterwards, claiming everyone remaining is an enemy combatant
 
Maybe it's cynical, but I'm extremely sceptical of the Mariupol ceasefire. Seems like an excuse to level the city afterwards, claiming everyone remaining is an enemy combatant

Do they need excuses for that anymore?
 
:eek::eek: This looks so fake? But claimed to be the downing by Ukraine.

My first thought was fake...but i think i'm being duped by the high quality of the video?


Imagine being the pilot and having that half-second realisation that you are finished on this world. Sad, scary stuff.
 
So which was it? :lol:

This twitter account was the one claiming it translated to "a year ago" but they fecked up the translation and used Russian. The actual translation in Ukrainian was "an hour ago". :lol: :lol:

So very likely to be real footage.
 
So overall, Putin has spent the last 2 decades creating his own reality however contrary it is to the facts. This has served him well as it has allowed to turn people both at home in Russia and overseas into fractious elements due to the confusion that he could play to his own wants. He has spoken to the west in both threatening and friendly terms to prove his importance. The problem is when put into the crucible of war the reality of the situation is always dominant no matter how much fiction you try to spin. This war has told the world that this isn't some super strategist, with a vast military power he can use. Outside of the Nukes ( I know not a small thing, but negligible due to MAD) the fears of Russian invasion into Europe and NATO countries is highly improbable in terms of Russia's capabilities and they're not a superpower but more akin to UK and France, powerful, but on their own unable to dominate the world through military projection.

My one concern is that this is the chance to get Putin and the KGB system of governance in Russia and change the future relations between Russia and the West. Whether its one that is taken is a different matter entirely.
 
yeah, the quality is absolutely insane, that's true. If it's a fake, it's one of the best I've ever seen - and while it's reasonable to have doubts seeing such footage in this quality, I think it actually is real.
What we should never forget when watching this combat footage, that every human death is a tragedy and although one might cheer for the Ukrainians to be able to prolongue this war and showing what they are capable of, human beings were unnecessarily killed. Those soldiers have mothers, fathers, children, grandfathers, friends...ripped from their earthly existence. In the matter of seconds, for nothing.
I understand the reality of war and I am obviously pro Ukraine in this conflict, but even in the anonymity of such videos we must not forget the individuals on either side. It's incredibly sad.
War is hell.
Great post, there are no winners with bloodshed (ask those soldiers who return from "winning" a war, what mental state they're in).
That said, super chuffed Ukraine is proving able to defend itself, at least more than expected. Even if I'm unsure what's true as the media are mostly mobs of agenda spinning storytellers.
 
Italian authorities have seized assets of around 140 million so far, according to La Repubblica. These include two yachts and a 1000sqm villa in Tuscany.
 

This is the reason that companies shouldn't be allowed to get too big. Even if they are right in this instance to deprive Russians of their livelihood, they can easily abuse this or use this as a threat in the future.
 
This is good - hope she's right:


I would agree with a lot of that

Also one aspect that has crossed my mind is that there simply isn't any recent history of a large modern military coming up against a large amount of modern defence capabilities

Think us rolling through Iraq or Afghanistan

Or Russia ploughing through Georgia or Syria

Perhaps all sides have overestimated just how effective tanks, helicopters and planes are when they are up against modern defences?

Perhaps the Falklands is the last time the British army was involved with somebody equipped to put up some real resistance ... and that's 40 years ago

We have seen certainly for a generation the modern helicopters etc being unrivalled and I do wonder how effective even the most advanced nato armies would be coming up against the modern anti aircraft missiles, anti tank weapons and advanced electronic countermeasures... for sure I expect it would be more difficult that was experienced against the taliban or rolling into Iraq

Perhaps putin also underestimated the difficulty this would cause a rapid advance?
 
Luckily a totally different type of reactor. The WWER concept is much closer to western designs and optimized for civilian usage, just producing a lot of energy safely. Chernobyl's RBMK on the other hand was optimized for creating plutonium for the military and therefore inherently unsafe.
Is this true?
 
Incredible scenes of Ukrainians spontaneously celebrating liberation. They are either hijacking Russian military equipment or jumping on the moving vehicles with Ukrainian flags.




More scenes in recent days in a new thread:

 
Mariupol mayor live on BBC now saying that the Russians started shelling the city during the evacuation time and started shooting on roads on the way out of the city.

They have had to take citizens backs to the shelters.
 
:eek::eek: This looks so fake? But claimed to be the downing by Ukraine.

My first thought was fake...but i think i'm being duped by the high quality of the video?



Yeah not buying that's from this conflict, it's certainly not a random person filming it. There's so much misleading footage out there that unless there's multiple verification reports it's safe to assume it's false.
 
Incredible scenes of Ukrainians spontaneously celebrating liberation. They are either hijacking Russian military equipment or jumping on the moving vehicles with Ukrainian flags.




More scenes in recent days in a new thread:



Incredible.
 
Mariupol mayor live on BBC now saying that the Russians started shelling the city during the evacuation time and started shooting on roads on the way out of the city.

They have had to take citizens backs to the shelters.
Surely that can not be true. This is just twirling moustache evil if real.
 
Yep, difficult to know whether Putin genuinely miscalculated so significantly or what we're hearing is slightly exaggerated in terms of Russian war aims. One of the major long term problems of dictatorships, especially ones based on one man, is that they inevitably surround themselves with yes men and discard of those who disagree.

So I can genuinely believe that Putin thought he'd be welcomed into Ukraine as liberators, I can believe that he genuinely thinks he's there to 'denazify' Ukraine. God knows what he's thinking now. Probably that he would have taken the country already if it wasn't for the pesky West.

Don't see how this can be a sustained operation for them to be honest.

Many Russian experts have been saying that Putin has dreams of putting back together the former USSR -- and Ukraine is only the beginning. The next target will be Poland or the Baltic states. His legacy project.

If that's the case, it might explain his budget force for Ukraine. He needs to keep a whole of resources in the pocket for the other Soviet states. He always probably mis-read the Ukrainian sentiments as you mentioned (due to being surrounded by 'yes' men) and then had half expected rose petal-strewn roads.

But when you under-man wars, you are susceptible to being picked off in a lot of places especially later when he has to hold the key cities. The Ukrainan strategy is probably to draw them in and then pop them off in urban environments -- and increasing the bodybag count and the domestic political pressures. A poison shrimp strategy.

He may ultimately falter in Ukraine even before his other dream projects kick into gear.
 
It's quite clear Russia have yet to bring their full military force to play.

saving for a full scale invasion of other Soviet states? and possible war with NATO?
 
I would agree with a lot of that

Also one aspect that has crossed my mind is that there simply isn't any recent history of a large modern military coming up against a large amount of modern defence capabilities

Think us rolling through Iraq or Afghanistan

Or Russia ploughing through Georgia or Syria

Perhaps all sides have overestimated just how effective tanks, helicopters and planes are when they are up against modern defences?

Perhaps the Falklands is the last time the British army was involved with somebody equipped to put up some real resistance ... and that's 40 years ago

We have seen certainly for a generation the modern helicopters etc being unrivalled and I do wonder how effective even the most advanced nato armies would be coming up against the modern anti aircraft missiles, anti tank weapons and advanced electronic countermeasures... for sure I expect it would be more difficult that was experienced against the taliban or rolling into Iraq

Perhaps putin also underestimated the difficulty this would cause a rapid advance?

Or his kick-off timing was poor -- now the vehicles are struggling to get through the muddy roads and fields as the grounds are thawing now.

If this is the case, the delay due to the Winter Olympics must be keeping ol' Vlad up at night. 'Feckin Xi and his stupid Olympics!!!'
 
Mariupol mayor live on BBC now saying that the Russians started shelling the city during the evacuation time and started shooting on roads on the way out of the city.

They have had to take citizens backs to the shelters.

Sadly, I can't say this wasn't unexpected. I feel very little will come of talks until the Russians run out of options.
 
It's quite clear Russia have yet to bring their full military force to play.

saving for a full scale invasion of other Soviet states? and possible war with NATO?

200,000 soldiers for Ukraine out of his total 900,000 capacity. He will need another 200k just to hold on to Ukraine after he takes over the critical cities. But maybe weary of his western flanks after especially if Finland and Sweden decided to sign up for Nato.

He maybe stretched too thin for his grand plans.
 
Surely that can not be true. This is just twirling moustache evil if real.
The mayor was literally live on the BBC talking to Victoria Derbyshire about it. Not saying there’s not a possibility of dishonesty or disinformation from Ukrainian side, but cease fire is not being observed.

 
Many Russian experts have been saying that Putin has dreams of putting back together the former USSR -- and Ukraine is only the beginning. The next target will be Poland or the Baltic states. His legacy project.

If that's the case, it might explain his budget force for Ukraine. He needs to keep a whole of resources in the pocket for the other Soviet states. He always probably mis-read the Ukrainian sentiments as you mentioned (due to being surrounded by 'yes' men) and then had half expected rose petal-strewn roads.

But when you under-man wars, you are susceptible to being picked off in a lot of places especially later when he has to hold the key cities. The Ukrainan strategy is probably to draw them in and then pop them off in urban environments -- and increasing the bodybag count and the domestic political pressures. A poison shrimp strategy.

He may ultimately falter in Ukraine even before his other dream projects kick into gear.

Poland was not a part of USSR.