Russian invasion of Ukraine | Fewer tweets, more discussion

Plenty of companies use Microsoft for convenience but no one actually depend on them, at worst this decision is a temporary hindrance but not something that can't be worked around pretty quickly.

How do you make Github not available in Russia? I kind of hope that the people using Github know how to work around geo-blocking.

There's a lot of companies depending on Microsoft for cloud or on premise server services. Actually, Microsoft has made sure you grow more and more dependant on them especially in the past few years. For bigger companies it'll only be a setback since they could move their data somewhere else for a lot of smaller ones it could be a real issue.
 
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According to CNN, Russian legislators have passed a law against any derogatory media reports about Russia aggression against Ukraine. They plan on imposing a 15 year violation for reports and/or anything to do with promoting sanctions.
 
This Happened Today

According to CNN, Russian legislators have passed a law against any derogatory media reports about Russia aggression against Ukraine. They plan on imposing a 15 year violation for reports and/or anything to do with promoting sanctions.
prob all ukraines fault according to some posters that have been in here spouting usual russian Bullshit
 
There's a lot of companies depending on Microsoft for cloud or on premise server services. Actually, Microsoft has made sure you grow more and more dependant on them especially in the past few years. For bigger companies it'll only be a setback since they could move their data somewhere else for a lot of smaller ones it could be a real issue.

It won't be long before other cloud providers follow.
 
The people responsible for this will never be held accountable by a war crime tribunal, so I sincerely hope there's a concerted campaign to identify and kill them in the years to come.

https://v.redd.it/hxcma9vmhdl81

I'm assuming that's the apartment building that had the middle section collapse. Has there been any word of casualties from it? I mean if they were fully occupied it must have been massive. So tragic.
 
Putinism in Europe should be treated same way as communism in sixties-eighties. Completely unacceptable. Prosecute the leaders of those parties by checking where does the money come from.

Starting with the Conservative party.
 
Yeah, it's horrible. There are a lot of interesting psychological studies on how propaganda works — people that experience a traumatic event would adopt the first simple concept that would allow them to forget about it. The woman around the 4:00 mark is the perfect example — the way that she got caught on the second question (defend from whom?).

It's not an excuse though. People should take responsibility, especially in the times like this. The pragmatist in me thinks that the disastrous outcome of economic sanctions may work better to instigate their activity than the suffering of their neighbouring country's population.

I'm afraid they will just become more entrenched in their views, because Putin was right: "Western powers want to destroy us!". If there is thing I believe is that Russians can endure a lot of hardship.

I think we could gain a lot of understanding by simply looking at Brexit, and how, in a relatively free nation, just a few years of propaganda and nationalism can seduce a nation to illogically handicap itself with no gain whatsoever - so imagine what TWENTY YEARS of Putin mind feckery has done to that country.

My father has worked in Moscow and Turkmenistan (former Soviet republic) in the 90s. He also learned russian as a kid. So he's a bit of russiophile. I'm afraid what will happen next time I talk to him about it. I imagine a lot of insults about naivety and stupidity. In 2014 he praised Putin for annexing Crimea and instigating revolts in DNR and LNR. I believe he supports Putin because he see's him as an opposition to the evil empire of UK and their puppet USA (yep, it's USA who's the puppet).

It's just fascinating how people can be so... wrong.
 
It won't be long before other cloud providers follow.
Wouldn't this be a bad thing in the long term?
Welcome to 'Kremlin Kloud'....

Surely Putin can set a cloud based system for companies to use, allowing him to control pretty much anything online?
 
Someone should spare a thought for the Trumplicans. They’re about to go through some trying times now that their daily drip of Russian propaganda isn’t coming in.


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Wouldn't this be a bad thing in the long term?
Welcome to 'Kremlin Kloud'....

Surely Putin can set a cloud based system for companies to use, allowing him to control pretty much anything online?

How's he gonna do it, if he can't buy CPUs. Everything is either Intel or AMD and they are withdrawing too. It would take more time than Putin has.
 
Wouldn't this be a bad thing in the long term?
Welcome to 'Kremlin Kloud'....

Surely Putin can set a cloud based system for companies to use, allowing him to control pretty much anything online?

Within Russia maybe.
 
Yeah, it's horrible. There are a lot of interesting psychological studies on how propaganda works — people that experience a traumatic event would adopt the first simple concept that would allow them to forget about it. The woman around the 4:00 mark is the perfect example — the way that she got caught on the second question (defend from whom?).

It's not an excuse though. People should take responsibility, especially in the times like this. The pragmatist in me thinks that the disastrous outcome of economic sanctions may work better to instigate their activity than the suffering of their neighbouring country's population.

It's sad because not a lot can be done about it. And considering that in the west where we have free access to a lot of news, sources and information people are still susceptible to propaganda, as we have seen in recent years and now as well with some people in the west parroting Putin's propaganda about this war. So it's hard to blame people who have limited access to information for a variety of reasons and who have also been indoctrinated with a specific kind of thinking about your country or your leader etc, or who have just had the dissent beaten out of them mentally or physically.

That is often the case, that people really only start caring when it's their livelihood is at stake, this idea that people will fight for freedom or against evil hasn't really proven itself in real life. If you look at most uprising often there's economic downturn at the foundation of it rather some ideal of freedom (for yourself and others).

Instead of all this performative anti-Russian, "we're gonna ban Russian vodka" nonsense we should be doing more to encourage dissent or even to get people to defect. It's better to try get more people on your side than to chase them away with some of the bs we see developing in the west.
 
Speaking of troll farms, we should turn this around and start doing it the other way round tonget the truth through to the populafion, shpuldn't we?

Maybe even develop a virus that slumbers on the devices and wakes up once it has infected enough to then provide a coverage of the war. Find ways to get through to them.
 
I hope this is just rumours.

What exactly can you gain from withholding relevant information from your allies, especially in time of war?

Stopping Russia knowing exactly what your intelligence gathering is capable of.
 
I don't know what you're referring to.
The tweet you’re sharing. Not exactly “withholding”. But “delaying” it can be just as bad in a battle field.


Stopping Russia knowing exactly what your intelligence gathering is capable of.
Ok. This makes sense. Probably protects assets in Russia as well.
 
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NATO began with onlooker status (since Ukraine is not part of NATO) - it hasn't been reduced to this. Moreover, in funnelling weapons into Ukraine and providing real-time intelligence to Ukrainian forces, NATO has moved beyond simply looking on. As for the West, sanctions have been applied that will reduce the Russian economy to ruins over the next few weeks and months - again, this is far from merely looking on.

How will it end? Most likely with the Russian military suffering daily losses for months to come, tied up in fruitlessly attempting to pacify a country that is bigger than France (and so not available for deployment elsewhere), a collapsed Russian economy, rising unrest inside Russia, rising repression inside Russia, Ukraine semi-occupied but not defeated, the West slowly weaning itself off from reliance on Russian energy supplies, NATO stronger than ever (with additional countries joining and defence spending beefed up considerably), Russia weaker than ever, with little that is sustainable that Putin will be able to point to as a "victory".

If all of this comes to fruition, that will be a good outcome.
But Putin will see it as a victory providing he achieves his objective of taking control of Ukraine.
Yes it would be a hollow victory. But a victory nonetheless.

The biggest downside for him and Russia will be the strengthening of NATO.
But what use is that unless NATO is capable of preventing further expansion of Russia...
 
It seems Abramovich overreacted. He wasn’t risking anything. If this figure is true, the UK is barely doing more than the UAE.

Neutral Switzerland seems to have adopted most of the E.U. sanctions.

 
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People use it but you don't need it, you don't depend on it at all.

Many people literally depend on it, and cannot use anything else(both functionally and don't have the skill to). It is a long standing issue in many areas of software development for new products(very hard to oust Excel from people's workflows).

But Excel is mostly hard drive based. You can’t restrict it being sold to a certain territory.

Even Cloud services like GitHub can be accessed via VPN if it becomes necessary. Is Microsoft going to restrict that?
I was merely pointing out a Microsoft product that people really rely on, I never said anything about what the restrictions will actually entail.
 
It seems Abramovich overreacted. He wasn’t risking anything. If this figure is true, the UK is barely doing more than the UAE.

Neutral Switzerland seems to have adopt most of the E.U. sanctions.


Interesting. Hollow threats only, then.
 
any legit donation link for Ukraine lads?
Ukraine’s government has direct funds for the war effort. If you want them to survive the war, that’s the best place to donate. https://war.ukraine.ua/donate/

Ukraine’s embassy to the UK is coordinating a big fund with leading charities: https://www.withukraine.org/en

I imagine there will be no shortage of funds for refugees and humanitarian aid, but getting it where it needs to be in Ukraine right now is difficult.
 
It seems Abramovich overreacted. He wasn’t risking anything. If this figure is true, the UK is barely doing more than the UAE.

Neutral Switzerland seems to have adopt most of the E.U. sanctions.


Posted before that the 2018 Sanctions Act made the process much more cumbersome and having to go through various legal hoops before they can enforce. Also wary of making incorrect sanctions and being sued (which seems stupid to me).

**NOT** saying that’s a good excuse, just what I’ve read is a reason why UK is so slow. Hopefully this makes the Govt revisit the law.
 
It seems Abramovich overreacted. He wasn’t risking anything. If this figure is true, the UK is barely doing more than the UAE.

Neutral Switzerland seems to have adopt most of the E.U. sanctions.


Obviously quantity doesn't equal quality, but that's a shockingly low number
 
Interesting. Hollow threats only, then.

It's what I was saying earlier, the UK basically is doing nothing in reality, they are actually protecting their own interests and it's all hype for the media, but in private it's the opposite.