Russian invasion of Ukraine | Fewer tweets, more discussion

First of all it's absolute insanity that the Russian troops were attacking a nuclear power station but if things had gone badly wouldn't that have meant they all would have been eliminated almost instantly?

Also if this would have impacted most of Europe due to the fallout, I assume this would also have impacted Russia to right? Someone in Putin's inner circle really needs to wake up to what is happening and take action
 
who decided that bombing a nuclear power station was a good idea ?
The International Atomic Energy Agency has said that the fire has not affected essential equipment or caused radiation levels to change , this is good news.
 
who decided that bombing a nuclear power station was a good idea ?
The International Atomic Energy Agency has said that the fire has not affected essential equipment or caused radiation levels to change , this is good news.

Its part of the military doctrine -- soften up air/military defences then next, take out the infrastructure -- telecoms to power before you actually enter the city.
 
Its part of the military doctrine -- soften up air/military defences then next, take out the infrastructure -- telecoms to power before you actually enter the city.
Seizing control on infrastructure is one thing, shelling a nuclear power plant isn't on any plan. The most wreckless thing I've seen in a long, long time.
 
Seizing control on infrastructure is one thing, shelling a nuclear power plant isn't on any plan. The most wreckless thing I've seen in a long, long time.
Not saying it's clever, but nuclear power plants should have no issues withstanding shelling. They can take a plane crash!
 
At what point does NATO actually get involved? Now they are bombing nuclear power plants. I’m stunned at the lack of action by all. What’s the point in providing aid when you could actually stop Ukrainians lives being turned upside down.
 
At what point does NATO actually get involved? Now they are bombing nuclear power plants. I’m stunned at the lack of action by all. What’s the point in providing aid when you could actually stop Ukrainians lives being turned upside down.
At the price of nuclear war
 
If this conflict results in massive nuclear contamination of Europe that's surely enough to warrant everyone's involvement? Doesn't make sense to suffer nuclear fallout just to avoid nuclear fallout... Call Putin's bluff and bomb his men to armaggeddon.
 
If this conflict results in massive nuclear contamination of Europe that's surely enough to warrant everyone's involvement? Doesn't make sense to suffer nuclear fallout just to avoid nuclear fallout... Call Putin's bluff and bomb his men to armaggeddon.

The craziest thing to me when talking about the dreaded nuclear word is that Putin is happy to use this threat when he knows that using it would result in immediate retaliation by NATO.

This guy has children and grandchildren that he would be putting at risk of death in the worst manner possible. What kind of human being does that make him?
 
Is it complete fantasy on my end to think that it would be somehow possible to hack mainstream media channels / broadcasts with clips of the atrocities taking place in Ukraine?

I imagine a lot of the older generation will rely on the TV to get their news, so they need to somehow know the reality of what’s going on.

Putins propaganda machine must be stopped.

I am also curious in terms of roughly what % of the Russian public support Putin and his actions? I guess we won’t know because anyone who protests will be reprimanded.
 
The craziest thing to me when talking about the dreaded nuclear word is that Putin is happy to use this threat when he knows that using it would result in immediate retaliation by NATO.

This guy has children and grandchildren that he would be putting at risk of death in the worst manner possible. What kind of human being does that make him?
He's using the west's stereotype of Russians for his own purposes. We have become convinced that we value life more than he does (we don't), so we think we have more to lose.

If Putin was so suicidal he'd hardly stay 100 feet away from his closest advisors.
 
At the price of nuclear war

100% this.

While we as civilians have the luxury of looking at this purely on a moral level, where of course it would be right to intervene.

Politicians and military leadership have to consider the hard ramifications of intervening. An intervention would cause MORE Ukrainian deaths in the short term, their homeland becoming an even bigger battle field and also potentially lead to millions of deaths throughout the world if nukes were to be launched.

NATO won't act until a NATO member is attacked, the world can't afford it to.
 
He's using the west's stereotype of Russians for his own purposes. We have become convinced that we value life more than he does (we don't), so we think we have more to lose.

If Putin was so suicidal he'd hardly stay 100 feet away from his closest advisors.

Well, unless he genuinely believes he could win a nuclear war. His scientific advisers may not be exactly from the top drawer.
 
Imagine if Trump had taken the US out of NATO

Shit would be fecked beyond repair in Eastern Europe.

Hopefully with Germany getting back in the game that will help protect our neighbours.
 
100% this.

While we as civilians have the luxury of looking at this purely on a moral level, where of course it would be right to intervene.

Politicians and military leadership have to consider the hard ramifications of intervening. An intervention would cause MORE Ukrainian deaths in the short term, their homeland becoming an even bigger battle field and also potentially lead to millions of deaths throughout the world if nukes were to be launched.

NATO won't act until a NATO member is attacked, the world can't afford it to.

Millions of deaths is an understatement. It could end all life on earth depending on how crazy the two sides go.
 
At what point does NATO actually get involved? Now they are bombing nuclear power plants. I’m stunned at the lack of action by all. What’s the point in providing aid when you could actually stop Ukrainians lives being turned upside down.
There is no mandate in NATO rules ( for want of a better word ) to enforce a no fly zone , no NATO member has been affected and until that happens , their hands a pretty much tied.
I have mentioned this before , just think US and UK fighters enforcing a no fly zone, the Russians will challenge it, if the Russian jet was shot down, well we all know what would happen, this is what Putin wants, its must not happen.
 
The craziest thing to me when talking about the dreaded nuclear word is that Putin is happy to use this threat when he knows that using it would result in immediate retaliation by NATO.

This guy has children and grandchildren that he would be putting at risk of death in the worst manner possible. What kind of human being does that make him?
I don't think people like him think about individuals when they take decisions. It's all about the 'state', 'nation', 'strategic security', 'sovereignty' ... When they think about humans it's the "people" which becomes a massed stereotypical concept of what people are, deprived of individuality and differing opinions or characteristics.
 
NATO aren’t going to militarily get involved, the window of opportunity for that has passed. They could roll in and wipe out this much publicised military column heading for Kyiv if they really wanted to, but imagine what the ramifications of that would be. If anything, they’re banking on and enabling the inevitable insurgency to eventually push Russia out.
 
I doubt the US Government/NATO care that much about the Ukrainians - but they care more about them compared to brown people

But, in this, a third country is getting fecked, but the main enemy Russia is becoming weaker on the global stage and its economy ruined...it's a win for US/NATO.

Might be me being very cynical, but there you go.
 
Not saying it's clever, but nuclear power plants should have no issues withstanding shelling. They can take a plane crash!
Newer ones can, but you wouldn't to test that protection on 1980s Soviet ones too hard.
 
There is no mandate in NATO rules ( for want of a better word ) to enforce a no fly zone , no NATO member has been affected and until that happens , their hands a pretty much tied.
I have mentioned this before , just think US and UK fighters enforcing a no fly zone, the Russians will challenge it, if the Russian jet was shot down, well we all know what would happen, this is what Putin wants, its must not happen.
You're kidding if you think Putin wants Nuclear war. His entire game is based on using nukes as a threat because no one wants it. It's good he's 70 because as far as putin is concerned, the world sitting back and letting Ukrainians die is just further reinforcement that he's right and he'll do this again in few yrs to another nation if he's alive
 
I can’t figure out what the motive is in shelling the nuclear plant.

Are they trying to bait NATO to join the fight, and what would they gain from that? Or are they simply just that stupid?

Seems completely irrational, which is scary.

Well, by doing so, he knows how far he can push the west I'd say, and unfortunately, it looks like he can push some more.
 
BBC staff getting out of Russia. This is the guy who tweets all the Russian state-owned TV channels.

 
You're kidding if you think Putin wants Nuclear war. His entire game is based on using nukes as a threat because no one wants it. It's good he's 70 because as far as putin is concerned, the world sitting back and letting Ukrainians die is just further reinforcement that he's right and he'll do this again in few yrs to another nation if he's alive

I think it is probable he would use nuclear weapons on foreign targets if targeted by NATO. I do not think it would become full blown nuclear war.

Listening to NYT The Daily from yesterday, their expert seems to be fairly certain when the word 'nukes' are mentioned it is not in relation to full blown nuclear war with huge strategic warheads flying over our heads but most likely tactical nukes being aimed at specific targets. Extremely tragic but different from MAD.
 
I can’t figure out what the motive is in shelling the nuclear plant.

Are they trying to bait NATO to join the fight, and what would they gain from that? Or are they simply just that stupid?

Seems completely irrational, which is scary.

Based on some of this sort of stuff, it strikes me that it could be a backup plan for Putin.If he can’t get everything he demands, he at least flattens a lot of Ukraine, so they no longer look like the shining light of development in his doorstep that he fears.

The longer and harder the recovery is for Ukraine, the better (for Putin). No more looking across the border and seeing a prospering and peaceful democracy, but rather a war torn wasteland.
 
I think it is probable he would use nuclear weapons on foreign targets if targeted by NATO. I do not think it would become full blown nuclear war.

Listening to NYT The Daily from yesterday, their expert seems to be fairly certain when the word 'nukes' are mentioned it is not in relation to full blown nuclear war with huge strategic warheads flying over our heads but most likely tactical nukes being aimed at specific targets. Extremely tragic but different from MAD.
Yep. It's going to be Hiroshima x 50. But hopefully not more than that.