But those women and children not being allowed through are surely going to die too no?
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It is being discussed, have seen a lot of people reference it. Sadly as some of our resident Russians/Ukrainians on here were saying, racism is a huge problem for them and it’s sad to see.
I won't be wrong to say this is the biggest global crisis since I was born (1989)? Including basically the threat to the very existence of the world.
They will be let through I expect in time. The border crossings thankfully don't seem to be under direct threat right now. If that changes I am sure changes will be made.
Bullshit
https://www.ndtv.com/indians-abroad...ed-on-trains-2799299#pfrom=home-ndtv_bigstory
More and more Indian students are simply not being allowed to leave Kharkiv. Getting kicked off the trains or simply not allowed to get onto trains, because they are not Ukrainian.
Indian embassy desperately asks people to leave on foot to escape from shelling.
Already one Indian student dead in the shelling as he went out of his bunker to get food.
More and more Indian students are simply not being allowed to leave Kharkiv. Getting kicked off the trains or simply not allowed to get onto trains, because they are not Ukrainian.
Indian embassy desperately asks people to leave on foot to escape from shelling.
Already one Indian student dead in the shelling as he went out of his bunker to get food.
Nobody waiting at the Polish, Hungarian or Slovakian borders right now is in danger of the war. There's literally no fighting within 200kms at worst. Even most of the Moldovan border points are a similar distance from any fighting.
You are talking about political alignment and I'm talking about military alignment.
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As far as I know, the fallout will suck, obviously, but it won't end human life or anything. As you say, the nuclear winter is the big problem. It's not quite like an ice age (it's not like we're getting rid of all those greenhouse gases we put up there), but we could easily kill off most life on Earth within a few years. And if a nuclear winter does happen in the first place, it will be because civilization has collapsed to such a degree that we can't put out all the fires, so at that point we're even more fecked.
Surely its time for the Indian Government to step in and arrange a deal with Ukraine/Poland to safely bring their people home?
Should have been done a month ago when the UK and US were advising people to leave the country
Should have been done a month ago when the UK and US were advising people to leave the country
As someone born in 1990, I think you're right, although there were several crisises already on a global scale. 9/11 was really scary and had huge global impact, 09 financial crisis let many people believe that we're on the verge of certain anarchy within months, then COVID-19 which was the biggest crisis [so far] imo. And now Ukraine-Russia conflict developing very fast into a global crisis. I'm not so sure it has reached COVID-19 levels in terms of actual impact, but it certainly has the potential to dwarf the pandemic.
USA promised to never invade Cuba to de eacalate cuban missile crisis as well as remove nukes from Turkey.
Like it or not, Ukraine and/or the West will have to give something in order for Putin to save face and have a way out. Wnough to allow him to de escalate but not enough to make him think it is worth trying this again
They’ll be allowed though I’m sure however they aren’t being prioritised so it might take longer.
Ultimately the people getting shelled to death are going to make the news currently and that kind of answers your question about coverage surely?
Fair enough. But they have certainly suggested it: https://www.reuters.com/world/ameri...-partnership-coordination-kremlin-2022-01-24/
Are you suggesting it would be understandable if NATO now moved into Cuba?
Yeah I’m not sure what is going on with India. Has Modi even spoke yet? Also the strange voting and lack of action.
Pretty poor stuff
I mean. These two sentences are quite contradictory?
As one said in this thread before, it won't eradicate our species, but it would end humanity. As in the (relatively) few survivors will have to start from (relative) scratch. With everything.
This is not possible. The guy is a nutter and is overplaying his nukes card. Letting Putin save his face impliesletting him bomb the hell out of Ukraine, erase their national identity and install his puppet. Not happening. Every time his mouthpiece mentions nukes, more sanctions are being considered.
They aren't in immediate danger. At least as of now.
Poland is already helping. I am not sure how much of a deal we can make with Ukraine though.
Humanity - no. But civilization - yes.I mean. These two sentences are quite contradictory?
As one said in this thread before, it won't eradicate our species, but it would end humanity. As in the (relatively) few survivors will have to start from (relative) scratch. With everything.
Interesting article from 2014 when Russia previously invaded Ukraine...Seems the author thinks Russia consider tactical nuclear strikes as a defensive option. I also hope to god the dead hand system isn't still active considering the obvious problems with an automated system!
https://www.businessinsider.com/russias-dead-hand-system-may-still-be-active-2014-9?r=US&IR=T
https://www.businessinsider.com/russias-dead-hand-system-may-still-be-active-2014-9?r=US&IR=T
Mearshimer is just making it up as he goes along, which is pretty evident when the interviewer presses him in the New Yorker article that just published. He more or less admits in the article that he has no clue what is going to happen.
Ultimately, this is for the Ukrainians to decide themselves. No one is forcing them to join NATO or the EU, which means that Russia is the only aggressor in this entire debacle. Putin's "Give me what I want or i will invade and kill you" approach should make this pretty obvious by now.
As for your above point 3 - that's precisely the intent of sanctions, to inflict suffering without actually fighting.
The word was he was a Russian puppet president.
Yes. The "give" will be a negotiated settlement for Russia to leave all of Ukraine in exchange for sanctions being lifted.
Whoever is left will have some bad days at the office in the following centuries, is what I'm trying to say
They just need to tell the border guards to let them through.
It's nigh-on impossible now. Roads in Ukraine are absolutely terrible by our standards (at best single-carriage way with decent tarmac, at worst completely pot holed so you can't drive more 20mph for long stretches) and many key roads across the country are either blocked, damaged, occupied or dotted with roadblocks. Journeys that take 2 hours routinely are taking 12+ hours. There are still coaches doing the long journeys east-to-west and returning, but other busses are just being left in the West as people aren't going back to dangerous areas. I imagine most people with private vehicles have just driven out of the country. The train network is pretty comprehensive in Ukraine, but the amount of rolling stock is quite low for a country of that size. Getting in and out of Kyiv is fine, but most other cross country journeys are only normally scheduled daily or a couple of times a day. You might think, well, can't Poland or other countries send more trains in to evacuate people? No, because Ukraine uses the Soviet train gauge. If you take an international train from Ukraine to Poland or vice-versa, you have to change trains in Przemysl just inside Poland.
People who have already got to the borders will be safe enough, but travelling across the country is very difficult due to the disruption and capacity massively outstripping demand. Unsurprisingly, they will still be having to prioritise getting women and children out. They don't even have the capacity to do that. The scenes of train stations in Kyiv and Kharkiv are utter madness right now. The Ukrainian rail network cannot even get trains in to part of the country with humanitarian aid and taking civilians away as occupying forces are not allowing them.
If countries wants their citizens safe, they need to be pressuring Russia to end the fighting. Ukraine's not responsible for evacuating foreign nationals at the expense of their own citizens when they are being invaded.
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That part is exactly what is happening right now.
I'm sorry, but what world war is Russia threatening with? Their shambolic war effort so far has them 1/5 of their military commited in Ukraine, economically tanking, they couldn't organize a war in months, now they want to do it on a whim? Or is still them posturing about nuclear war?
Yes he has played the nuclear card right from the beginning, some people say it's the good only card in his hand.
Would you say that he is bluffing? Surely they don't start firing nukes because of sanctions?
I assume that poster is talking about a potential nuclear winter aftermath because 30 nukes alone wouldn’t even destroy the whole UK (it would just wipe out 30 major cities and make large areas around them uninhabitable).
I mean. These two sentences are quite contradictory?
As one said in this thread before, it won't eradicate our species, but it would end humanity. As in the (relatively) few survivors will have to start from (relative) scratch. With everything.
I was referring to two different things. The fallout is all the radioactive stuff created by the strike, ejected in a wide area and possibly getting into the food chain, which is bad but not civilization ending.
The nuclear winter is caused by all the cities burning and nobody bring able to stop it, covering the Earth in a dense layer of smoke (I guess?) and lowering the temperature for probably years. That one is the real killer (well, for all the people who weren't killed already by the hundreds or thousands of nukes.)
It's a bit like plague or cholera, except you get both.
It's clear that NATO could win a conventional war with Russia, Putin himself admits this. The concern is that they have enough nukes to end the world and Putin appears to be cornered.
It is still not Aleppo or Grozniy level damage. And it won't happen. It is time for the fecker to wake up and smell the coffee. Sanctions won't be lifted no matter how many timed he implies/mentions ww3. The cnut is done.
I see similar projections in Russian press — I’m not an expert in aviation but it does seem like the recalling of foreign vessels will cripple Russian aviation massively (to the point of non-existence). I doubt that our own planes are ready to keep up even if we’re only talking about internal flights.
Thread on food availability in grocery stores in Kyiv.
yes
Can't see the stocked shelves lasting long given that the Russians more or less have the city surrounded.