Russian invasion of Ukraine | Fewer tweets, more discussion

Simbo said:
Don't see that happening personally, not while UA is still active elsewhere, I expect the remaining populace won't allow it either. The streets of Kyiv is where this will dragged out for... god only knows how long, but that's what Ukraine need to do, drag it out.
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Drag it out to what benefit? If they're laying down their lives it would need to be for something and if no one is coming then it's in vain.
 
Van Piorsing said:
In that case he didn't tried enough. Won't be surprised if he's evacuating his country now.

Ukraine is unlucky to have him at charge now.
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Zelensky actually had the right idea 3 years ago when he ran for presidency as he promised to settle the situation in DNR and LNR once and for all, even at the cost of some concessions, but the hawks in the Ukrainian parliament (who are very hostile to Russia) killed him for that and stopped him from going ahead with the solution he signed in 2019.

The outcome of this conflict now will decide if their gamble was the right way to go.
 
Smores said:
Drag it out to what benefit? If they're laying down their lives it would need to be for something and if no one is coming then it's in vain.
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Russia can't stay there indefinitely, or even for long. Time is not on their side now.
 
GDaly95 said:
I'm just sat here looking out the window. I haven't done a shred of work all day.
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I just poured my heart out to a work colleague I've never met before. Today's the day all kind of inane work requests come in, when work has been quiet all week, and everyone else can largely be oblivious to what's happening other there.
 
Why did Boris Johnson say there could be eventual military action? Not the time to suggest it surely - asking for a pre-emptive strike?
 
Sarni said:
I don’t even see what the point of invading Poland would be in 2022. It’s not like he could claim this as Russia territory, or would have anything to gain. It would be purely to destroy the country. He may as well go for Germany and France in that case who at least have strong economy to target.
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Nostalgia! To bring back the Warsaw Pact and the CMEA! It would be the ultimate reboot in this age of nostalgic entertainment.
 
Smores said:
Drag it out to what benefit? If they're laying down their lives it would need to be for something and if no one is coming then it's in vain.
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Patriots fighting for the future of their country?
 
JPRouve said:
Why? I'm definitely missing something because I don't understand why anyone would think that it would be done in less than 24 hours.
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Because I don't think there's any Russian appetit to turn on the civilians (outside of Putin's inner circle maybe) and the Ukranians are fighting for their existence.

Maybe it's wishful thinking.
 
YouOnlyLiveTwice said:
Putin needs to die a horrible fecking Death, what a turd of a human being.

I pray that Ukraine won't have too many casualties. All those people out fighting for their freedom are heroes.
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Death to all tyrants! That Man City player was perfectly within his rights to wish death on someone who is causing so much terror and suffering.
 
pocco said:
Because he'll threaten the use of nuclear war. And who is more likely to blink first in that scenario? The crazy dictator that gives zero fecks about the death of his own people, or the softly, softly members of members of NATO, who will potentially be signing the death of their people?
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I think you are overreacting. Putin is a madman, but not completely nuts to risk obliteration of Russia.
 
Abizzz said:
The longer the day goes on the more I'm starting to think this might be a case of a superior power with unmotivated soldiers against a weaker opponent with highly motivated people fighting for them.
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How unmotivated can one be when literally your life is hanging in the balance?
 
The most horrifying thing is, take a look at all recent putin clips. You can clearly see something is fundamentally wrong with him. He looks psychotic and like he's aged 10 years all swollen in the face, the man is completely unpredictable. If Ukraine stands their ground and many Russian soldiers fall then he could become enraged and send the nukes. Truly a disaster this is.
 
RedDevil@84 said:
I think you are overreacting. Putin is a madman, but not completely nuts to risk obliteration of Russia.
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By threatening the West he's almost inviting them to strike first, so maybe too nuts to see reason and logic
 
BlueHaze said:
The most horrifying thing is, take a look at all recent putin clips. You can clearly see something is fundamentally wrong with him. He looks psychotic and like he's aged 10 years all swollen in the face, the man is completely unpredictable. If Ukraine stands their ground and many Russian soldiers fall then he could become enraged and send the nukes. Truly a disaster this is.
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This will never happen
 
Abizzz said:
The longer the day goes on the more I'm starting to think this might be a case of a superior power with unmotivated soldiers against a weaker opponent with highly motivated people fighting for them.
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While that may be true, the invasion has only been on going for just under 12 hours. To me it looks like it's progressing incredibly quickly, with what looks like reinforcements due to arrive at that airport the Russian's have captured just outside Kyiv.

Do hope that Ukraine can inflict considerable pain on the Russians but it's looking incredibly bleak for them. Heart bleeds for Ukrainians who simply do not deserve any of this.
 
RobinLFC said:
How unmotivated can one be when literally your life is hanging in the balance?
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It'll be important for Ukranians to treat POW with dignity but it wouldn't be the first army in history suffering from poor fighting morale.
 
BlueHaze said:
The most horrifying thing is, take a look at all recent putin clips. You can clearly see something is fundamentally wrong with him. He looks psychotic and like he's aged 10 years all swollen in the face, the man is completely unpredictable. If Ukraine stands their ground and many Russian soldiers fall then he could become enraged and send the nukes. Truly a disaster this is.
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Yeah he'll not want an uninhabitable nuclear wasteland near his land if its just Ukraine.

The US though.. he may very well press the button.
 
RedDevil@84 said:
If they form individual combat groups, then they are not covered by Geneva convention. But if they are employed by Ukranian military (temporarily), then it applies.

Anyways, I think the rules are for any combatants whose status is disputed, they have to be treated humanely as POW, till a tribunal decides whether they are lawful or unlawful
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Great answer. Thanks
 
Danny1982 said:
Zelensky actually had the right idea 3 years ago when he ran for presidency as he promised to settle the situation in DNR and LNR once and for all, even at the cost of some concessions, but the hawks in the Ukrainian parliament (who are very hostile to Russia) killed him for that and stopped him from going ahead with the solution he signed in 2019.

The outcome of this conflict now will decide if their gamble was the right way to go.
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There's no scenario where Ukraine getting out of this mess. You're right, there was time when bad things could be avoided, but now we're looking at potential pact China-Russia which can create most powerful entity in history of mankind.

I can only hope Poland (which I happily live in) and England won't pay the price for sending weapons to Ukraine to stir the conflict even more. Perhaps Vladimir Putin will be too old then to remember but that's just wishful thinking.
 
Look at this caricature. Says it all about the Mussolini of Mar-a-Lago, and I wish there was something that can be used to gag and arrest him and his cronies.

Here is what US law says about treason:

18 U.S. Code § 2381 - Treason

Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.
 
spiriticon said:
Yeah he'll not want an uninhabitable nuclear wasteland near his land if its just Ukraine.

The US though.. he may very well press the button.
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It may be so, but war is always unpredictable. Anytning can happen. What is happening is already a disaster. It went from sending in troops to 2 cities to a fullscale invasion within 48 hours.
 
Abizzz said:
Because I don't think there's any Russian appetit to turn on the civilians (outside of Putin's inner circle maybe) and the Ukranians are fighting for their existence.

Maybe it's wishful thinking.
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Too me it looks like things have moved very fast, I have no idea what will happen tonight or tomorrow but I wouldn't think that less than 24 hours can tell us much.
 
BlueHaze said:
It may be so, but war is always unpredictable. Anytning can happen. What is happening is already a disaster. It went from sending in troops to 2 cities to a fullscale invasion within 48 hours.
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It was always about a fullscale invasion, as have the US intelligence sources been screaming for almost a month now.
 
There’s no way Putin is losing face now, this is his moment something he’s been wanting ever since he got power, could see things getting very bad.
 
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