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Or maybe, just say nothing and arrest him when he reaches American soil....

That would be good for me too. Something has to be done after all the shit he has stirred across North America and even in Europe.

edit: THIS below is what Christiane Amanpour - a true journalist and top class interviewer had to say about.

 
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What exact crime is he committing to be arrested?

Treason.

18 U.S.C. § 2381 said:
Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.

William "Lord Haw-Haw" Joyce and Mildred "Axis Sally" Gillars were convicted on charges of treason albeit their respective sentences are very different in outcome.
 
Treason.



William "Lord Haw-Haw" Joyce and Mildred "Axis Sally" Gillars were convicted on charges of treason albeit their respective sentences are very different in outcome.
The United States government continues to do billions of dollars of trade with Russia and you want Tucker Carlson executed for treason for interviewing Putin.

I've said it before in this thread and I'll say it again (and it's been further enhanced by some of the profoundly disturbing posts in the Israel thread by the same people) - some of you self-described "defenders of freedom and democracy" are scary people.
 
That would be good for me too. Something has to be done after all the shit he has stirred across North America and even in Europe.

edit: THIS below is what Christiane Amanpour - a true journalist and top class interviewer had to say about.


Christiane hits the nail on the head. Why of all journos does Tucker get the do an interview with him. Hardly a beacon of independent (or good) journalism.
 

Notice when he said 100’s of thousands dead he didn’t mention anything about Russian troops?

Some not all Republicans are just traitors. This guy would have interviewed Hitler during the Holocaust and said Jews are doing just fine.
 
I don't know if people in this thread are trolling or losing it. Tucker Carlson interviewing Vladimir Putin is of course not treason.
 
Guess what Putin did after Cucker's so-called interview.



The US CBP agents better get prepared to arrest Cucker at the airport now.
 
Steve Rosenberg is the BBC's Russian correspondent and lives in Moscow, would he be committing treason if he successfully managed to interview Putin (something that he's confirmed to have tried multiple times and rightly so)?

Tucker is a twat, but he hasn't committed treason. It's just telling that Putin has agreed to an interview with him.

Also, I can't tell whether Tucker's audience accepts his barefaced lie that "Western journalists" have actively tried to ignore Putin by not speaking to him or whether this is just one massive contrarian troll by morons. "Zelensky has been interviewed countless times" - yeah no shit. Guess what, he hasn't been interviewed once by Russia-1 has he.
 
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Tucker Carlson on the other hand has proven to be so very impartial on this war :rolleyes:

I guess that the Kremlin spokespeople even have come out to deny one of his claims in the teaser is something. It played up to his audience of westerners who side with authoritarian strong men like Putin and Orban and want Trump back to claim only he sought out an interview with Putin.
 
Treason.



William "Lord Haw-Haw" Joyce and Mildred "Axis Sally" Gillars were convicted on charges of treason albeit their respective sentences are very different in outcome.
The gift that keeps on giving :lol:.

Your abiity to jump to the wrong conclusions and cite the wrong historic examples to justify them will never cease to amaze me. Also, the US is not at war with Russia.

On a side note, there's a few republican congress members and senators who would be happy to end this war right here, right now, no matter how much Ukraine would lose in the process. Some of them also actively blocking the bill for Ukrainian aid. I suppose we can include some democrats in the mix too. You want them dead or exiled too?

I'm really no fan of Carlson and all in favor of helping Ukraine, but there's indeed scary people here.
 
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That would be good for me too. Something has to be done after all the shit he has stirred across North America and even in Europe.

edit: THIS below is what Christiane Amanpour - a true journalist and top class interviewer had to say about.



Not particularly encouraging when Peskov is fact checking Tucker's tweet.
 
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Steve Rosenberg is the BBC's Russian correspondent and lives in Moscow, would he be committing treason if he successfully managed to interview Putin (something that he's confirmed to have tried multiple times and rightly so)?

Tucker is a twat, but he hasn't committed treason. It's just telling that Putin has agreed to an interview with him.

Also, I can't tell whether Tucker's audience accepts his barefaced lie that "Western journalists" have actively tried to ignore Putin by not speaking to him or whether this is just one massive contrarian troll by morons. "Zelensky has been interviewed countless times" - yeah no shit. Guess what, he hasn't been interviewed once by Russia-1 has he.

The MAGA base have been gradually sold the line that Putin isn't a bad guy for a few years now. The likes of Tucker and a few others have been spoonfeeding them this narrative on a daily basis through their various shows on Fox and Talk Radio.

There's also been extensive research done on Putin's attempt to weaken the US by leveraging amenable US key influencers (aka useful idiots) to butter up the American public on pro-Russia topics.

https://www.csis.org/analysis/russian-meddling-united-states-historical-context-mueller-report
 
Why do the Republicans dislike Ukraine so much? They're plenty white and "traditional values" Is it because Zelinsky gave Biden a hug? Does the FSB really have a file on their daddy Trump that could doom him? I don't get their motivations here.
 
Why do the Republicans dislike Ukraine so much? They're plenty white and "traditional values" Is it because Zelinsky gave Biden a hug? Does the FSB really have a file on their daddy Trump that could doom him? I don't get their motivations here.
It's less about disliking Ukraine as such, but about disliking being involved in foreign problems. Trump's "America first" is exactly that - focus on domestic issues and basically ignore the world, because the state of the world doesn't matter when you are the bestest and greatest country anyway.
 
Why do the Republicans dislike Ukraine so much? They're plenty white and "traditional values" Is it because Zelinsky gave Biden a hug? Does the FSB really have a file on their daddy Trump that could doom him? I don't get their motivations here.

It has a lot to do with their embrace of Trump and his admiration of Putin. Before that, they were largely 100% anti-Soviet and somewhat tepid about post-Soviet Russia. Putin has also expended a lot of resources courting US conservative influencers and political operatives during the 2010s, which eventually converged with the rise of Trumpism. There are of course still a lot of traditional establishment, Reagan type Republicans who correctly see Putin for who he actually is - an authoritarian tyrant. The likes of McConnell, Graham, Romney et al., are examples.

There's also an element on the left/right political fringes that is driven by domestic issues - for right wingers that's usually immigration and border security, for ultra-libs its usually a call to spend more on domestic social issues instead of on foreign countries. There's also an isolationist strain in the Republicans that calls for a severe reduction in foreign aid, as typified by the likes of Rand Paul.
 
It's less about disliking Ukraine as such, but about disliking being involved in foreign problems. Trump's "America first" is exactly that - focus on domestic issues and basically ignore the world, because the state of the world doesn't matter when you are the bestest and greatest country anyway.

It's partly that, but I don't think they are taking the same approach to Israel. They'll happily throw billions in that for years to come. There is also just admiration for the strongman leader, which Trump and the right-wing media is slowly changing the perception of the likes of Putin and Orban to - they are just strong leaders fighting for their country, etc. etc.
 
We never saw the RNC leaks, only the ones for DNC, just saying.

Russia may have something on republicans in congress.
 
Why do the Republicans dislike Ukraine so much? They're plenty white and "traditional values" Is it because Zelinsky gave Biden a hug? Does the FSB really have a file on their daddy Trump that could doom him? I don't get their motivations here.
Couple of things I think.

In their mind, Ukraine is probably becoming more woke, attacking Christian churches etc. And therefore Russia is the actual traditional country.

Another thing is anti-establishment and anti-media sentiment. So the "Western elites and media" side with Ukraine, and therefore they sympathize with Russia.

These are just 2 things I've noticed throughout their rhetoric.
 
Why do the Republicans dislike Ukraine so much? They're plenty white and "traditional values" Is it because Zelinsky gave Biden a hug? Does the FSB really have a file on their daddy Trump that could doom him? I don't get their motivations here.

It's just Trumps love affair with Putin. And pee tapes
 
Why do the Republicans dislike Ukraine so much? They're plenty white and "traditional values" Is it because Zelinsky gave Biden a hug? Does the FSB really have a file on their daddy Trump that could doom him? I don't get their motivations here.

In a nutshell, they share values with Putin:
-conservatism, back to the "good old days"
-autocracy
-hate/fear to differences/diversity
-disdain for democracy and democratic institutions in general
-distrust in international cooperation and in any institution they can't fully control
-national and/or racial supremacy

Putin gradually installing allies in politics/economy/media over 20 years, plus Trump being infamously busted for his "quid pro quo" (weapons over dirt on Biden) complete the package.
 
It has a lot to do with their embrace of Trump and his admiration of Putin. Before that, they were largely 100% anti-Soviet and somewhat tepid about post-Soviet Russia. Putin has also expended a lot of resources courting US conservative influencers and political operatives during the 2010s, which eventually converged with the rise of Trumpism. There are of course still a lot of traditional establishment, Reagan type Republicans who correctly see Putin for who he actually is - an authoritarian tyrant. The likes of McConnell, Graham, Romney et al., are examples.

There's also an element on the left/right political fringes that is driven by domestic issues - for right wingers that's usually immigration and border security, for ultra-libs its usually a call to spend more on domestic social issues instead of on foreign countries. There's also an isolationist strain in the Republicans that calls for a severe reduction in foreign aid, as typified by the likes of Rand Paul.

Most of the left wing critics of Ukraine I see who are very loud on social media are people who are just mad their priors were wrong. They were going around smugly mocking the possibility of a Russian invasion as Western propaganda which they are much more enlightened to fall for. And suddenly changing tune or just turning a blind eye to it rather than admit their anti-imperialism was really just campism all along. You look at someone like George Monbiot, one of the most foremost environmental writers who is firmly on the left, and the abuse he gets for pointing out that no one put a gun to Putin's head and forced him to launch an invasion and that it is imperialistic.

As well as that the issue of spending on domestic instead of foreign is a red herring because for starters you can do both but in any case what we give Ukraine and the price tags you read in headlines is money that was already spent years ago on tanks, missiles, air defence systems. It would cost more for us to have them decommissioned without ever being used than giving it to Ukraine to help their survival. It's very interesting in comparison Russia as a percentage of GDP for many years spent more on their military than we do on ours but none of these people take Putin to account for starvation and poverty in his country over his two decades. If the argument is we should cut our spending on military to prevent new weaponry and rather divert it to domestic issues I'm all for that but there's a deliberate act of implying we could solve homelessness in the UK if only we didn't give Ukraine some of our tanks.
 
He sounds like an old school Soviet type of leader from most things I have read on him.



All of my friends in the military think he’s an idiot. One of them is high rank officer who met him personally. Not much optimism over here…
 
The US senate has passed a bill for Ukraine, Israel and Taiwan.

Lets see what kind of bullshit excuse Mike Johnson will come up with this time.
 
All of my friends in the military think he’s an idiot. One of them is high rank officer who met him personally. Not much optimism over here…
Do you have any leak, info about the real reason(s) why Zaluzhny was dismissed? It looks to me like Zelenskiy shot himself a missile in the foot.