Russian invasion of Ukraine | Fewer tweets, more discussion

As usual... "Biden and NATO will push Germany", because without "pushing" Germany will do nothing.

1 IRIS-T SLM air defence battery
30 Gepard anti aircraft guns
5 M270 MLRS launchers
14 PHZ2000 155mm self propelled howitzers
50 Dingo mraps
40 BMP 1 IFVs (from Greek stocks in exchange for 40 Maruder IFVs)
30 BVP 1 IFVs (from Slovak stocks in exchange for 15 Leopard 2A4)
1 Cobra counter battery radar
8 Ground surveillance radars
15 Bergpanzer 2 armoured recovery vehicles
3 Biber armoured bridge layers
600 Trucks, armoured SUVs and other types of vehicles
Over 100 anti drone jammers, radio jammers and other types of EW equipment
15000 Anti tank mines
8000 RPGs
900 Panzerfaust anti tank weapons with 3000 rockets

Ammunition, Spare parts and training for all these systems

This is a pick of what Germany have delivered so far. I agree that they have made some mistakes in the past regarding Russia but they are one of the biggest donators to the Ukrainian army and the equipment they have delivered are making a big difference.
 
1 IRIS-T SLM air defence battery
30 Gepard anti aircraft guns
5 M270 MLRS launchers
14 PHZ2000 155mm self propelled howitzers
50 Dingo mraps
40 BMP 1 IFVs (from Greek stocks in exchange for 40 Maruder IFVs)
30 BVP 1 IFVs (from Slovak stocks in exchange for 15 Leopard 2A4)
1 Cobra counter battery radar
8 Ground surveillance radars
15 Bergpanzer 2 armoured recovery vehicles
3 Biber armoured bridge layers
600 Trucks, armoured SUVs and other types of vehicles
Over 100 anti drone jammers, radio jammers and other types of EW equipment
15000 Anti tank mines
8000 RPGs
900 Panzerfaust anti tank weapons with 3000 rockets

Ammunition, Spare parts and training for all these systems

This is a pick of what Germany have delivered so far. I agree that they have made some mistakes in the past regarding Russia but they are one of the biggest donators to the Ukrainian army and the equipment they have delivered are making a big difference.
Sadly this is a wasted effort. frostbite simply hates Germany and doesn’t listen to reason
 
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"Taboos have fallen".

I wonder, is this just a psychological thing where government officials gradually adjust their risk calculus, or would this have been deliberate delays in sending these vehicles? Or maybe just for military reasons (not needed at repelling the initial invasion etc).
 

Another Patriot is a bit out of blue, it will be a great addition which might actually fully neutralize the missile threat completely once Ukraine gets the remaining Iris (4 more) and Nasams systems (6 more). I also read that US are planning to dust off their decommissioned cold war era munitions (huge stockpiles) for HAWK air defense systems. They plan on upgrading these and sending to Ukraine to counter the cheap Iranian drones I guess to avoid wasting modern and expensive missiles on them. Russia will be basically left with no missiles and Ukraine will be able to essentially close the skies once these things are delivered and operational.
 
Another Patriot is a bit out of blue, it will be a great addition which might actually fully neutralize the missile threat completely once Ukraine gets the remaining Iris and Nasams systems. I also read that US are planning to dust off their decommissioned cold war era munitions (huge stockpiles) for HAWK air defense systems. They plan on upgrading these and sending to Ukraine to counter the cheap Iranian drones I guess to avoid wasting modern and expensive missiles on them. Russia will be basically left with no missiles and Ukraine will be able to essentially close the skies.

They seem to be doing fine even without the Patriot batteries. If the Ukrainians want to leverage them, they will need more than 2 for the whole country.
 
1 IRIS-T SLM air defence battery
30 Gepard anti aircraft guns
5 M270 MLRS launchers
14 PHZ2000 155mm self propelled howitzers
50 Dingo mraps
40 BMP 1 IFVs (from Greek stocks in exchange for 40 Maruder IFVs)
30 BVP 1 IFVs (from Slovak stocks in exchange for 15 Leopard 2A4)
1 Cobra counter battery radar
8 Ground surveillance radars
15 Bergpanzer 2 armoured recovery vehicles
3 Biber armoured bridge layers
600 Trucks, armoured SUVs and other types of vehicles
Over 100 anti drone jammers, radio jammers and other types of EW equipment
15000 Anti tank mines
8000 RPGs
900 Panzerfaust anti tank weapons with 3000 rockets

Ammunition, Spare parts and training for all these systems

This is a pick of what Germany have delivered so far. I agree that they have made some mistakes in the past regarding Russia but they are one of the biggest donators to the Ukrainian army and the equipment they have delivered are making a big difference.


Perhaps you want to reply to Mark Hertling who wrote "Biden and NATO will push Germany", especially if you believe that Germany will do the right thing without needing to be pushed by Biden and NATO. Mark Hertling served as the Commanding General of United States Army Europe.
 
They seem to be doing fine even without the Patriot batteries. If the Ukrainians want to leverage them, they will need more than 2 for the whole country.
I think the Patriot batteries are intended to counter the threat from ballistic missiles. Nasams and IRIS-T missiles are way cheaper then Patriots and seem to be doing just fine against cruise missiles but neither of those are able to intercept ballistic missiles.
 
When will all this shit end? Give Ukraine the weapons they need or stop sending any weapons. Its fecking madness, all of it.
It’s a fine balance. Over equip them and Russia could escalate it ways we really do not want them to. Under equip and Ukraine lose.

I think the west is going for the boiling frog approach where its never quite escalated quickly to a level where Russia are forced to do something stupid, it just slowly ticks on until they find themselves short of ammo, short of missiles, short of tanks, short of air support and generally to weak to take Ukraine.

It’s at that point you hope that change has to happen in Russia.
 
Perhaps you want to reply to Mark Hertling who wrote "Biden and NATO will push Germany", especially if you believe that Germany will do the right thing without needing to be pushed by Biden and NATO. Mark Hertling served as the Commanding General of United States Army Europe.
I know very well who Mark Hertling is, I've posted multiple threads by him in here including the one with the tweets you quoted in your original post. My reply was directed at you and your baseless attacks on anything German.
Germany like a lot of other European countries where naive in how they handled the threat from Russia in the past, especially after 2014. But they are trying to correct their mistakes and are now one of the biggest contributors to the Ukrainian defense, despite not having a very powerfull army themself.
 
Sadly this is a wasted effort. frostbite simply hates Germany and doesn’t listen to reason

I don't hate anyone, I am simply stating the truth. Germany and Greece/USA are good friends. What is your opinion about the following article? Is there any discussion inside Germany about all those people who were working with the dictator Putin and made a lot of money from this? Despite all the warnings from the United States? Are there any discussions inside Germany about how Germany enabled Putin to invade Ukraine with their inaction after 2014, perhaps because of corruption by Russian money? Are those issues being actively discussed or do they just pretend it is not an issue?

https://correctiv.org/en/latest-stories/2022/10/07/gazprom-lobby-germany/
The Gazprom-Lobby


By the way, I feel that Germany is avoiding discussions on many subjects they don't like, and as a result, many Germans do not even know about the issues! For example, is there any discussion inside Germany about reparations to Greece for the massacres they committed in Greece? This is definitely an issue in Greece, the following are recent articles in 2022. Do Germans ever discuss anything about reparations or do they simply avoid the subject or know nothing about it? Do you think that Germany will do the right thing without anyone pushing?

https://greekreporter.com/2022/07/29/greece-germany-war-reparations-submarines-turkey/
https://greekcitytimes.com/2022/10/11/dendias-german-war-reparations/
Dendias: German war reparations to Greece still "remains open"
OCTOBER 11, 2022

<<The issue of Germany paying war reparations to Greece for its crimes during World War I and II "remains open", according to Greek Foreign Minister Nikos Dendias.

Greece's top diplomat stated this in Warsaw during a meeting with his Polish counterpart Zbigniew Rau. He noted that the solution of this issue is fundamental for the Greek society as it “will be beneficial for all the countries involved and EU in general."

[...]
The cost of the damage caused by Nazi Germany in Greece during the war has been estimated at €289 billion ($339 billion) by a Greek parliamentary commission. That amount includes a loan that Greece was forced to grant the German central bank.

After invading Greece on April 6, 1941, German armed forces went on to carry out numerous massacres in the country, with tens of thousands of civilians dying during the conflict.
[...]
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I know very well who Mark Hertling is, I've posted multiple threads by him in here including the one with the tweets you quoted in your original post. My reply was directed at you and your baseless attacks on anything German.
Germany like a lot of other European countries where naive in how they handled the threat from Russia in the past, especially after 2014. But they are trying to correct their mistakes and are now one of the biggest contributors to the Ukrainian defense, despite not having a very powerfull army themself.

But is Germany naive?

Or perhaps what we see here is a regular pattern of greed and utter disregard for any pain and destruction Germany's actions is causing to others? Perhaps we have a deeply unethical stance from the German government?

In the past 15 years, we had two great destructions in Europe. The war in Ukraine, and the 2010-2018 destruction of the economy of Greece that dropped 22%. Obviously, the war in Ukraine is so much worse, it cannot be compared to "only" economic problems, but still, a GDP drop of 22% only happens in wars, it is not insignificant.

In both problems, I see similar behavior from Germany, the same focus on how to make money for themselves, the same reluctance to help, the same pressure from USA on Germany to contribute to the solution. And of course the same self-righteous stance and moral superiority!

Yes, you can make graphs that Germany contributed greatly to Greece avoiding total destruction. But this was only after Germany's actions greatly amplified the problem! Germany's GDP is 4 trillion and the Greek GDP is only 220 billion, insignificant compared to Germany's. The problem could have been solved much earlier, without much fuss. But Germany decided to make Greece an example and started saying that Greece is corrupted and all that bullshit that pushed the Greek economy to the edge. Back then, even some Germans complained about it, but Merkel did not stop. Here is a link, only because people forget what happened 10 years ago. The link is from 2011, but the "Greece-bashing" from Germany did not stop in 2011, it continued for many more years. It continued after 2014, after Putin's invasion of Crimea. In 2015, Obama had to call Merkel and ask her to avoid Grexit. Obama pushed Merkel to help Greece. That was after Putin annexed Crimea.

https://www.cnbc.com/id/44398950
Germany Shouldn't Tolerate 'Greece Bashing': Schroeder
5 Sept 2011
Former German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder told CNBC that his successor, Angela Merkel, should never have tolerated the Greece-bashing as the euro zone debt crisis unravelled.
"The one mistake the German chancellor made was that she tolerated Greece-bashing and sometimes, did so herself. That should not have happened," said Schroeder in an interview in Brussels.

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Plot twist: The same "morally superior" Merkel government that was aghast about "Greek corruption" and wanted to "give the Greeks a lesson" during 2010-2018, had a great relationship with Putin!

Second plot twist: In 2008, US wanted Ukraine to join NATO. Merkel refused because ... Ukraine is corrupted!
 
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Are those issues being actively discussed or do they just pretend it is not an issue?

https://correctiv.org/en/latest-stories/2022/10/07/gazprom-lobby-germany/
The fact that you post a translated article from a German website should show you that this is part of the public discussion in Germany.

For example, is there any discussion inside Germany about reparations to Greece for the massacres they committed in Greece? This is definitely an issue in Greece, the following are recent articles in 2022. Do Germans ever discuss anything about reparations or do they simply avoid the subject or know nothing about it? Do you think that Germany will do the right thing without anyone pushing?
The German public opinion on this topic is pretty straightforward... whenever a Greek (or Polish, these seem to be the only countries still discussing this) politician declares that Germany should pay reparations, the reaction is a clear "feck off" - since the peace treaty was signed in 1990, Germany considers this topic done.

And of course the same self-righteous stance and moral superiority!
I do agree on this point.

Nonetheless the cause for the crisis in Greece was the fact that the Greek government was either incompetent, corrupt or simply lying. Yes there was a hot discussion also in Germany what would be the right measures and it is well possible that another path of action would have been better. But the crisis itself was self-inflicted.

And that's what I find tiresome about your posts - it's always extremes, there are no nuances to your posts. You massively oversimplify most complex topics to get a quick and easy verdict, and it's always bashing the same countries.

Back to topic: It really feels like the floodgates are opening... UK seems to be willing to send FV510 Warrior IFVs and rumour has it that they will also send Storm Shadow Cruise Missiles. In general the news of the last days indicate a clear shift in NATO deliveries. While so far it was mostly defensive stuff (air defense) or long range artillery, we now see a great increase in systems for the actual frontline.
 
Some chatter that in the upcoming weeks UK might provide long range cruise missiles called Storm Shadow which will have operational range of 250km. Let’s hope it turns out to be the case.
 
White House believes Prigozhin wants to take over mines near Bakhmut.

WASHINGTON, Jan 5 (Reuters) - The United States is of the view that Russian President Vladimir Putin's ally Yevgeny Prigozhin, who is the founder of Russia's most powerful mercenary group, is interested in taking control of salt and gypsum from mines near the Ukrainian-held city of Bakhmut, a White House official said on Thursday.

There are indications that monetary motives are driving Russia's and Prigozhin's "obsession" with Bakhmut, the official added. Prigozhin is the owner of private Russian military company Wagner Group.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europ...ol-salt-gypsum-mines-near-bakhmut-2023-01-05/
 
Funny how Russian started this because didn’t want a western base on their border. Sounds like they’re getting quite a solid one
Armed to the teeth and with a sense of purpose comparable to what Israel has. Even if Russia gets a meager diplomatic win, they lose on the long run. Demographics and economics are against them
 

There are only ruins now left from the town, imagine the amount of dumb artillery Russia uses, it’s obvious why they’re beginning to experience a shell hunger compared to the spring/summer when they still had a lot of soviet era stockpiles and no HIMARS. Also, looking at these pictures the town is probably close to being unattainable in hosting the Ukrainian army as there’s just no buildings.
 
The longer it goes on the more NATO armed and sophisticated the Ukrainian army is while Russia is getting weaker by the day. If I was Putin, I would look for peace negotiations ASAP and if denied, continue the propaganda of "it's a west made war".

If the West is smart, this will go on until the forces of Ukraine are more powerful then Russia's and it leads to a full defeat in the area. The main obstacle are going to be the Russian fanatics in the west that are going to cry "evil" west when Putin asks for peace but it's not given.

It's an interesting situation I think that involves not just the military but the politics across Europe and the US. If all good minds align, it should end with the liberation of Ukraine and the destruction of the Russian army, culminating at some point with the end of the Putin era; and maybe a chance for Russia to be itself a free country.
 
Some chatter that in the upcoming weeks UK might provide long range cruise missiles called Storm Shadow which will have operational range of 250km. Let’s hope it turns out to be the case.

I thought Wallace confirmed this before Christmas?
 
Surprisingly to no one, Russian forces are not observing Putin's "ceasefire".
 
US DoD have announced their next defence package for Ukraine.


  • 50 Bradley infantry fighting vehicles with 500 TOW anti-tank missiles and 250,000 rounds of 25mm ammunition;
  • 100 M113 Armored Personnel Carriers;
  • 55 Mine Resistant Ambush Protected Vehicles (MRAPs);
  • 138 High Mobility Multipurpose Wheeled Vehicles (HMMWVs);
  • 18 155mm self-propelled Howitzers and 18 ammunition support vehicles;
  • 70,000 155mm artillery rounds;
  • 500 precision-guided 155mm artillery rounds;
  • 1,200 155mm rounds of Remote Anti-Armor Mine (RAAM) Systems;
  • 36 105mm towed Howitzers and 95,000 105mm artillery rounds;
  • 10,000 120mm mortar rounds;
  • Additional ammunition for High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems (HIMARS);
  • RIM-7 missiles for air defense;
  • 4,000 Zuni aircraft rockets;
  • Approximately 2,000 anti-armor rockets;
  • Sniper rifles, machine guns, and ammunition for grenade launchers and small arms;
  • Claymore anti-personnel munitions;
  • Night vision devices and optics;
  • Spare parts and other field equipment.



https://www.defense.gov/News/Releas...n-additional-security-assistance-for-ukraine/
 
So 50 Bradleys, 40 Marders and an undisclosed number of AMX10RC are coming to the Ukraine. So let's say around 120,130 AIC's. Is this a gamechanger or just enough to irritate the Russians?
 
So 50 Bradleys, 40 Marders and an undisclosed number of AMX10RC are coming to the Ukraine. So let's say around 120,130 AIC's. Is this a gamechanger or just enough to irritate the Russians?
I don't think they will be a gamechanger as in they will bring this war to an end, the numbers are to small and you can't conduct large scale offensive operations with just IFV's, for that they will need tanks and artillery to go with them.
Saying that, they are a big improvement on the BMP 1's Ukraine is currently using and they will definitely make an impact on the battlefield.
 
What happened to Ambramovich anyway? At one point he was a globetrotting peace envoy and negotiator but it's all gone quiet it seems. Has he been threatened with defenestration or decided it's too dangerous to go abroad in case he's arrested or something?