It's common knowledge, isn't it? He laid into Rio Ferdinand and Fletcher, particularly.
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It's common knowledge, isn't it? He laid into Rio Ferdinand and Fletcher, particularly.
Listen to Gary Neville on the topic. No one wanted Keane out but Ferguson. He gave him the shovel and Keane buried himself with it. The players all were saddened by his departure.
Darren Fletcher
"My dad, Sir Alex Ferguson and Roy Keane are the three biggest influences on my career,” he told UTD Podcast.
Sources:https://punditarena.com/football/oisinmcqueirns2758/darren-fletcher-roy-keane-manchester-united-2/
https://www.sportsjoe.ie/football/darren-fletcher-roy-keane-man-united-184083
Rio
“It was just football analysis. I didn’t have a problem with it.”
Ferdinand: I don’t believe the media would have made a big deal out of the tape if it had been played.
https://www.independent.ie/sport/so...has-said-far-worse-to-our-faces-30739405.html
https://punditarena.com/football/kennedymarisa760/rio-ferdinand-roy-keane-man-united/
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Rooney:
“I was at United when he gave his infamous MUTV interview but disagree with how it’s portrayed. Roy was supposedly too critical of his team-mates but I’ve watched the video and there’s nothing wrong with it at all. He said that players can’t pass the ball ten yards and they’re playing for Manchester United and it’s not good enough. Well, he’s right"
“I was at United when he gave his infamous MUTV interview but disagree with how it’s portrayed. Roy was supposedly too critical of his team-mates but I’ve watched the video and there’s nothing wrong with it at all. He said that players can’t pass the ball ten yards and they’re playing for Manchester United and it’s not good enough. Well, he’s right"
Was Keane done at this stage? I was still fairly young and distracted by youth stuff as suposed to being all about united ins and outs
He went to Celtic and then retired?
If we disregard how the moving on of Keane happened was it the right move, never thought about it before so just wondering from people who were more invested at the time
He went to Celtic and then retired?
If we disregard how the moving on of Keane happened was it the right move, never thought about it before so just wondering from people who were more invested at the time
These people were planning to become pundits which meant having to work with the psycho. Sir Alex's could not give a feck about Keane and his feelings
Fixed that piece
He is one of our greatest ever players and captains. Give it a rest.
He was indeed but that has nothing to do with what I said. The guy has flaws, he can be frightening, childish and vindictive and on this argument he is being a hypocrite.
I was never a big fan of people who lead with fear either
That is one of the biggest misconceptions about Keane. The main element of his leadership was by example.
He could only make those demands of his teammates because he did it himself. The only fear his teammates had of him was letting him down. That is what made the team so successful.
When asked what is the most important element of being a good captain, Keane's response was "being the best player". Which he was, for many years.
There were many captains who did that from Robson right to Maldini. I don't recall any of them giving nasty tackles to new players just to show whose the boss. I don't recall them knocking at their door as Keane did to cleverly either
There is no doubt that Keane was the captain of an extremely successful side. However as said I don't like people who rule with fear
Keane punched Chris Eagles once in s training session (when Eagles was still with the u23s)
Keane was a great leader, but he had many flaws, one of them being he was a bit of a bully
ya he was on the decline but he probably would have got another season with younger legs around him if he’d kept his mouth closed. He was basically just moving around protecting the back four if I remember correctly. He’s probably my favourite player. Injuries caught up with him and it was clear after a few games he wasn’t going to do much with Celtic.
Robson? If he played for 20 minutes without putting in a nasty tackle it would have been a one off. Maldini rarely tackled at all. You're confusing the type of player they were to the type of leader.
Maybe he was but that isn't what made him a great leader.
You are confusing between playing a physical game and being nasty to prove who is the boss. I do not recall Robson or Maldini doing the latter
How do you know he was nasty to prove who was the boss in United training? Were you there?
Thank you. There we go. I guess I was wrong about the extent to which the players took the tape the wrong way. Judging from what you've provided, it does seem as if it was mainly Sir Alex.
Many players said pretty much the same story including Goram and Yorke. The guy also punched Schmeichel if I remember well
He didn't though, he led by example.
He had a fight with Schmeichel, who kind of initiated it, there was a bit of hostility between the two when Keane was made captain ahead of him. I think also was because Keane ironically enough thought his shouting during games was uncalled for and all for show.
Goram didn't say that about Keane. They just never got on, which is understandable, Goram openly supported loyalist terrorists, so I don't imagine Roy as an Irishman was too keen on him. Peter Schmeichel was the one who initiated that fight, he was the one standing outside Butt's door waiting for Roy. I've no issue with players not liking each other, it's if they carry that onto the pitch, which the likes of Keane and Peter didn't do during their time with Utd.
Goram and Yorke! Pretty unbiased analysis right there!
Goram's only words to Keane during his tenure there were "there's no point, is there", to which Keane responded "no". He'd have spent most of the training sessions away from the group with the keepers. Great example.
Yorke was pretty much the poster boy for Keane's frustration with the team's attitude post the treble.
Punching Schmeichel in a hotel was "a nasty challenge in training"?
Yet, there are multiple stories of Keane driving the competitiveness of the games in training. From blasting Rio for sideways passes, to his battles with Veron, Butt and Scholes to the coaching staff being afraid to ref in case Roy's team lost.
Like it or not, that competitive edge and will to win was a huge part of United's success under Fergie.
You have a real bee in your bonnet about Keane, like he was some tyrant that the entire squad were terrified of. Just look at how other players interact with him on Sky. There is a huge amount of respect there.
He was instrumental in driving a winning culture that allowed those players to finish their careers as some of the most decoarated players of all time. Anyone with the right attitude to play for United respects that.
If Goram and Yorke don't like him - that's a positive in my book.
Echoes of Michael Jordan... didn't he claim he wasn't a bully, that he only asked others to do what he was willing to do himself? The thing is, that level of competitiveness is reached by very few others.
I don’t think he’ll ever get over Sir Alex Ferguson discarding him after probably years of thinking he had equal power to SAF at Utd.
Pretty sure he picks Clough over SAF as the best manager he’s worked for in 100% spite to SAF.
Remember that interview thing he did with Gary Neville in Ireland randomly? He came off like the stereotypical psycho ex-girlfriend (“I’m TOTALLY over him and don’t care anymore I swear!”) when questions about SAF came up.
Pretty sure he picks Clough over SAF as the best manager he’s worked for in 100% spite to SAF.
Remember that interview thing he did with Gary Neville in Ireland randomly? He came off like the stereotypical psycho ex-girlfriend (“I’m TOTALLY over him and don’t care anymore I swear!”) when questions about SAF came up.
There were other incidents with Keane that pissed SAF off for example Keane calling Queiroz out during pre-season. It's not good if your club captain hates your assistant managers guts. SAF knew his time was up, he viewed him as a negative influence by the end and the MUTV interview was the last straw but Keane will never accept he was in the wrong.
It's nothing to do with equal power. Keane's issue with Fergie is that (in his eyes) Fergie essentially got rid of him for doing the job of a captain and doing essentially what Fergie encouraged him to do for years.
Setting and enforcing standards, calling players out when they stepped below them. That's what he did that was "so terrible we couldn't broadcast it". He feels Fergie stabbed him in the back.
The truth of the matter was that Keane called Queiroz out and Fergie himself in training. At that point, Keane was struggling with injury and could tell his time at the top was coming to an end. He wanted success now and United were in the early stages of a rebuild.
That conversation could have led to a parting of the ways on amicable terms but both Fergie and Keane were too stubborn to have that conversation. It's a real shame how it ended. Of any player in the Fergie era, Keane was the one who cemented that ruthless winning mentality in the squad and was Ferguson's presence on the pitch.
If it was Carrick rather than Keane in that era, Arsene Wenger would have many more titles and the United legacy would have been much less.
Felt a little sad watching that. Seeing so little respect between men who I personally hold in such high regard who were basically mostly responsible for post 1992 United.
from what he said in that recent interview with neville it wasn't so much the tape, but defying the manager more and more Infront of the squad. They wouldn't look at the manager the same if he kept taking grief from keane
Would be a bit gutted if he leaves Sky to take the Celtic job, I could listen to him talk about football all day and not get bored.
His clips on sky hit millions of views on YouTube. I bet sky will chuck money at him to keep him. He better take Micah Richards with him to celtic if he leaves. Don't split up the dream team.
Would love to hear Nicky Butt's account of the fight between big Pete and Keane. Sounds as if Peter came off worse- I would have bet the other way round to be honest.
For what it's worth I have to say that now we need Keane's mentality in today's players more than ever.
Both Fergie and Keane were probably being petty, Keane was overstepping the boundaries with coaches and manager and SAF pulled rank. The tape was used as an excuse. It's a shame they are both so stubborn because as fans we'd love to see them talking together and reminiscing.
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if he goes, he will be back pretty quickly!
imagineDon't remember that happening
“The rape was just an excuse”
that's how I actually read it first time round.I call BS there was any raping going on in the training ground.
Don't remember that happening
Was that the part about the horse?
I don't remember Keane telling it like he had had the upper hand. But didn't they stop when Sir Bobby came out into the corridor?
I shot the sheriff, but I didn't shoot the deputy.