Because he cares, how many of us have seen something that we have played a hand in building up to its peak get torn down and have to watch? The issue is that we (as fans) have allowed the standards to consistently slide and expectations to slide and now look at us. We are 14th place with more losses than wins on the season.. and we want to make excuses like its acceptable.
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Ashwin @AR87 are here to discuss two "on-paper" not great results for United over the last week, but are there positive signs of progress despite what the ex-United pundits are saying?
They also preview the big game Europa League game against Lyon.
We get it Roy! the current United side isn’t that good.
Lucky for you, you get paid handsomely to rant about it on Sky Sports.
Lucky for you, you get paid handsomely to rant about it on Sky Sports.
Sadly no he does not care if the team wins or loses. He said it clearly when asked in a recent interview by Neville. He said that it will not ruin his weekend if united win or loose. Hence he only keeps going on about United as it is the only way he can stay relevant as a pundit.
He loves the club but the man was a winner through and through with an unbelievable inner drive.
He's got no time for losers and the current squad is full of them. The owners are serial losers in a sporting sense also.
Prime Keane couldn't even play for us now as the rest of the dressing room would drive him nuts with their unbelievably low standards and laid back nature.
He's got no time for losers and the current squad is full of them. The owners are serial losers in a sporting sense also.
Prime Keane couldn't even play for us now as the rest of the dressing room would drive him nuts with their unbelievably low standards and laid back nature.
Zirkzee got booed once and dozens of people on the caf lost their shit over it. Cue the thread named 'we have the worst fanbase in the world' getting pages and pages of comments in the aftermath, where our fanbase was collectively labelled as toxic due to a few seconds of booing.
Yet when we applaud the players for earning a 1-1 draw vs the 2nd best team in the country, now we're part of the problem for allowing standards to slip? Unless you think we should be booing every single performance until the club is back to fighting for major honours, then the alternative is that there will be some warm applause from the fans on a matchday. That doesn't mean that we think our current league position is acceptable.
Matchgoing fans have very little influence over the long-term direction of the club, so we'd generally prefer to support our players under most circumstances. Sure, we're dissatisfied with being 14th, however if we were to regularly boo the players off the pitch in an attempt to 'raise standards', then it would achieve very little other than making the weekly trips to Old Trafford an even more depressing experience for everyone involved.
I can but it was in the days before we were any good
So not whilst Keane was there.
He's quite terrible isn't he.
This started long before this season. I'm old enough to remember when David Moyes came in and took the team that lifted the title the previous season, and immediately came in and said it was a good season to finish top 4. There was no outcry then and the standards have slipped for the last 10 years.
Matchgoing fans are the best in the league by far, and if people want to cheer or boo its their perogative to do so as they see fit.
You're quite the veteran then!
No it was before his time
Agree completely, he was sensational in that qualifying campaign. Absolutely sensational. Peak Roy Keane. Would have Keane in the 6 position if u were picking a greatest ever premship 11. He was world class.
Look I'm old enough to remember when we brought in Dorgu.
Those were the days.
Those were the days.
Yeah never happened. He's really just a rent a quote now.
Who celebrated?
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I think you all are being a bit too literal.
He's basically saying we'd always be disappointed with a draw at home - no matter who we played against - back in the "good old days". Whether or not you think it's a helpful comment at this moment in time, he's absolutely not wrong.
He's basically saying we'd always be disappointed with a draw at home - no matter who we played against - back in the "good old days". Whether or not you think it's a helpful comment at this moment in time, he's absolutely not wrong.
Keano... what did fergie say, " he can start a fight in an empty house".
What the hell does it matter what any of these pundits say, whether they love United, or are ABU's, its just talk, it fills the gaps between match action and adverts and acts as 'click-bait'.
Good money for them too I suspect!!
What the hell does it matter what any of these pundits say, whether they love United, or are ABU's, its just talk, it fills the gaps between match action and adverts and acts as 'click-bait'.
Good money for them too I suspect!!
When will Keano express his disgust at the new stadium?
Honestly, you have to realize a lot of what keane says is tongue in cheek, he just thinks he's being sharp and i doubt he believes half the stuff he says. When you watch him with wrighty etc no matter how he feels he was treated and how much he protests it, he deep down absolutely loves the club. He can make all the grumbly noise he likes - it's clear as day.
He knows they were never boo'd off at arsenal, he's just saying it as a witty quip to illustrate that he thinks standards have fallen overall.
I wouldn't get too bent up over it - He's basically playing a character at this point. Part of him clearly enjoys playing up to it and the over the top comments.
He knows they were never boo'd off at arsenal, he's just saying it as a witty quip to illustrate that he thinks standards have fallen overall.
I wouldn't get too bent up over it - He's basically playing a character at this point. Part of him clearly enjoys playing up to it and the over the top comments.
Buildin' a new stadium? Do me a favour. That's his job!
He's a rent a quote gobshite parody version of himself now.
Captured it perfectly
Nothing wrong with applauding players who nearly beat the second best team in the PL.
It was more of an applaud for their efforts, the players looked like they wanted it more than Arsenal.
Hopefully this carries on to Thursday.
Just now? Feels like he's been doing this for a decade at least
In the podcast when the topic of Utd. comes up Roy will use the term “we” when speaking about Utd. This is when he’s getting animated. Not just general conversation. I think he cares deep down as evidenced by the little hints he gives when he’s really fired up.
I think he was making a comparison but more tongue in cheek than serious.
Bruno making his rant look even weirder as each day passes.
At least his beloved Spurs also went through tonight.
At least his beloved Spurs also went through tonight.
Roy still being a captain 20 years later to try light a fire in some of the players and it's clearly worked with Bruno
Our Bryan Robson of the 2020s. Deal with it. You never had to put up with the Rashfords and Sanchos and Ronaldos part 2 and ETHs, so shut it.
Weird comment.
He has admitted he's a Spurs fan, no? Anyway, my comment was nowhere near as weird as his rant about Bruno. Also, his little dig at United fans after the Arsenal game has contributed to me beginning to dislike him as a person/pundit.
Keano could get a top-billed PPV for the 'Brawl in the Hall' in the empty house... and get paid good money I susect, because what he has to say usually represents ripping off the bandage and dealing with the core issues.Keano... what did fergie say, " he can start a fight in an empty house".
What the hell does it matter what any of these pundits say, whether they love United, or are ABU's, its just talk, it fills the gaps between match action and adverts and acts as 'click-bait'.
Good money for them too I suspect!!
At some point, fans need to admit that since SAF gave up control, there have been many chaotic events contributing to where the club is today.
It's been twenty years since Manchester United has been a destination where the beautiful game goes to die. In my estimation, it's where footballers and managers come to collect a paycheck by doing as little as possible, as long as possible before being shown the door. It's a great way to extend one's career by not having to try as hard, thus reducing injuries. Of course, it doesn't apply to every player or coaching staff member... The foundation of my theory is that if the Glazers are at United simply to grift the coffers, then this business model bleeds down to the rest of the key elements of the club. Nobody can deny that the entire Manchester United system is toxic.
Getting back to the topic, I for one, appreciate Keano's brash perspective. I'm not one for cuddling up to phrases like, "Awe let's just give it some tiiiime."
I've been around long enough to know to wait another decade before commenting in this United forum because it all mills back to the same place.
Not sure why some of you are taking him so literally or why are you taking so much of what he says so seriously. The man probably has a day off thinking about why he isn't sitting in his garden/walking his dog instead of doing shit punditry job that he does on an even shittier day. United plays like we usually play these days and off he goes on one of his rants. If anything, I see him more as a comedic figure and more often than not think he is actually hilarious. As opposed to most other pundits who take themselves too seriously and are pretentious twats.
Also, words are cheap, it is what you do/did that matters. Keano did his bit for United, let him be.
Also, words are cheap, it is what you do/did that matters. Keano did his bit for United, let him be.
Keano... what did fergie say, " he can start a fight in an empty house".
What the hell does it matter what any of these pundits say, whether they love United, or are ABU's, its just talk, it fills the gaps between match action and adverts and acts as 'click-bait'.
Good money for them too I suspect!!
Yes indeed.
We have to separate his playing performances from his current job.
He is now paid to say controversial things.
For me he was and will always be a massive legend for United.
In his pundit role, he is just doing his job which people can agree with or not.
But that doesn't change what he did for United.
Agreed, of course it all comes back to the same place, the caf has almost every perspective on United, from home fans and fans of other clubs, but to me that's what makes it interesting, if at times unbelievable.
Keano was an icon (still is in many peoples eyes) of this club, so every word he utters is examined and discussed and he is always (so it seems) up for an argument.
He is probably laughing all the way to the bank
Like you I find him amusing, why some people get really upset I have no idea. Roy knows he has a certain personal 'argumentative imagery' with the public at large and he plays it for all its worth, and occasionally he makes sense.
Very true, but it is worth adding, its primarily because of what he did for/with United that he now has this platform for his punditry.
He would have succeeded at any club and be where he is today. We are very lucky he ever chose to play for United.
I often think it's because I'm Irish that I can see quite clearly most of what he says is tongue in cheek and he is playing up to the cameras.
I have to wonder at people who don't get that about him and think he is completely serious.
You can also tell he rates Bruno too and he knows Bruno is the type who will listen to him take it on board and work to prove what he says wrong which is what he's really looking for
Yes, fair point.