He wasn't annoyed by the meeting, Neville and others found it worse than Keane. Said it was a build up over months but what really has pissed him off was the way they handled it - downplaying how long he'd been there, telling him he could sign for anyone but couldn't for a couple months and the whole preseason pettiness etc.
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He wasn't annoyed by the meeting, Neville and others found it worse than Keane. Said it was a build up over months but what really has pissed him off was the way they handled it - downplaying how long he'd been there, telling him he could sign for anyone but couldn't for a couple months and the whole preseason pettiness etc.
I do think it was poor form to have a go at a player about a loss but he said something like 'as if he's the only one' which is true, assuming he means all of these guys have lost loved ones through their career but carried on doing their job as best as they can. It sounds like he was more annoyed as he thinks Walters was already taking the complete piss and then when he suffered unfortunate personal issues, said it was all down to that (it will knock you back of course).
My interpretation of it wasn't that he didn't get the personal stuff has an impact, but that Walters was already skipping games way before (which I don't think anybody really said publically then so we're protecting him) and then when things went south playing wise even more, looked for other reasons than himself in the previous years.
Again, could be wrong and think he should have left it at 'doing the circuits' but that's what I thought he meant.
Karma is a bitch and those comments will bite him in the arse some day.
It is a myth, and it was a coincidence. Håland made it clear that it was his left knee that forced him to retire, and only changed his tune when he realised he could sue Keane. However, his former statements about his retirement, combined with the claim not being supported by medical advice, made a suit impossible. There was simply nothing to suggest that Keane's "tackle" had anything to do with his retirement. Even worse, the knee his talking about still hurting is the left one, that Keane didn't kick. He's just gotten it into his head that Keane kicking his right knee somehow retroactively caused his problems with his left knee. No doubt the man is bitter about his career ending early, understandably so, and maybe trying to blame it all on Keane helps (or helped, he hasn't really been moaning about Keane ruining his career in the last few years), but his claims are spurious and not supported by evidence.
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Imagine being so bitter. He’s always been a twat. Playing well for our club doesn’t make the man himself less of a twat.
It’s nonsense, and like some have said already, it has been disproven ages ago. Why do you care about Haaland anyway? He’s a cnut.
Never knew Querioz threw a bib at him in front of the group and told him to stand up front. Complete lack of disrespect shown towards the captain. Always two sides to every story. We should just appreciate what both men gave to the club over the years, unprecedented success.
A lot being said about him now especially after his show with Gary Neville which I found very entertaining btw.
Apart from his "attack" on some of the Irish players he's worked with, a lot of what he said was top drawer.
No other player imo has contributed so much to our club as he has and that includes Sir Bobby, King Eric, CR7, etc etc.
He belongs in football and should be given an opportunity to coach in the PL or at least at Championship level.
Apart from his "attack" on some of the Irish players he's worked with, a lot of what he said was top drawer.
No other player imo has contributed so much to our club as he has and that includes Sir Bobby, King Eric, CR7, etc etc.
He belongs in football and should be given an opportunity to coach in the PL or at least at Championship level.
He's a terrible coach. Falls out with everyone.
I have no words.
Ridiculous opinion.
Ferguson was right to get rid of him, he was in decline and it was time for him to be moved on. So from that perspective it was the right decision for the club. At the same time Keane was here for 12.5 years and he has every right to be pissed off with how it all happened.
I don’t really see why people get into extreme camps and pick sides, saying stupid shit like downplaying how brilliant a player Keane was. It’s a shame it ended how it did, I’d love them both to make up but I can’t see Fergie apologising unfortunately especially given what Roy has said since.
I don’t really see why people get into extreme camps and pick sides, saying stupid shit like downplaying how brilliant a player Keane was. It’s a shame it ended how it did, I’d love them both to make up but I can’t see Fergie apologising unfortunately especially given what Roy has said since.
Oh ffs you wet wipe. Listen to Clough story after and have some perspective into his mindset. Personally, I’ve nothing but respect for Keane. Calling him is a prick is absurd as a United supporter imo.
Definitely was right to move him on. Keane is fecking raging cause Sir Alex got it spot on and he didn’t give Keane some leeway that he gave other players that were past their sell by date — therein lies the issue.
Another from generation snowflake. This thread has certainly weeded them out.
The rage started because of the way Quiroz started treating him and ultimately Fergie humiliated him in front of the other players. I do not think Fergie forgave him for telling him to back off in the case of the Rock which is the ultimate reason why The Glazers are the owners of Manchester United.
Its well documented in his (Keanes) second book.He was also critizing Queroz about not mixing up the training sessions where they had another flair up where he said something like do you make love to your wife in the same position !
That stupid horse and Moyes hurt us on humongous levels.
Some absolute weirdos in this thread slating our former captain and one of the greatest players in our history.
Utterly ridiculous.
Yeap well said,both are legends and were instrumental to our success,both arent saints either but I'm not picking sides.
Would rather be a 'generation snowflake' than an insensitive twat. But ya' know Keano tells it how it is. Proper man is our Keano.
Everyone says Mourinho is the ultimate Machiavellian character, but because he has that reputation he clearly isn’t.
SAF very Machiavellian, it’s why he can manage all different types of personality types whereas Mourinho can only manage a specific type.
Anyways great interview. Keane is very funny. G Neville very clever.
Longer segment here if not already posted.
SAF very Machiavellian, it’s why he can manage all different types of personality types whereas Mourinho can only manage a specific type.
Anyways great interview. Keane is very funny. G Neville very clever.
Longer segment here if not already posted.
Oh there is definitely way more to this one than we’re being led to believe. I mean, talking about potential butterfly effect. Rock of Gibraltar is touchy subject with United fans in the know.
Edit: not to say that I’m in the know but to point out that RoG was nearly an undoing of Sir Alex and Man United in what we now see as our golden years with Ronaldo and UCL and another three consecutive titles.
He was a brilliant player, but like other ex-players talk and think a load of shit
I do respect Keane as a player and his contributions to the club, but I don't have to like him as a person or the things he says. I don't see how the Clough bit is relevant to him trivialising Jon Walters family tragedy, other than Keane's usual tough guy shtick.
In the meeting Keane supposedly questioned Fergie's management, saying "were slipping, you too as a gaffer. We need more from you". No coming back from that
No, that's simply not true. You need to watch that game again.
Just because it’s natural. I mean we all have family tragedies. Im firmly with Keane on this. Listen, I don’t even know what happen to Jon Walters but I can tell you right now that I’ve close friends who have suffered greatly and yet they rise above it and they carry on. I think Keane lacks tact but calling him a prick when you don’t really even know him also being a bit of a prick, no?
Wasn't fit to lace Robsons boots? Get feckin serious will ye. If Roy Keane was English England would have won a major tournament. They won feck all with Robbo.
Keane was the best player on the pitch that day. Go back and watch that.
Right because you have a few mates who managed to rise above it and carry on that means that everybody else will do the same? Doesn't work like that and I speak from experience. Everybody deals with grief in their own way. Walters did nothing wrong in fact it was very brave of him to open up about his family tragedies and any decent human being would applaud him for it but an insensitive 'hard man' like Keane could never understand.
A lot of younger fans who don't like Keane bring up the Alf Haaland incident. But Keane is old school. Cut from the same cloth as the likes of Souness/ Vinnie Jones/ Ibrahimovich/ Duncan Ferguson/ Stuart Pearce/ Ruddock.
Bone crunching carrier threatening tackles were the norm in the first half of Keane's career in the PL. It was considered part of the entertainment back then.
Every team had a hatchet man back then. And if you look at the amount of leg breaking tackles Keane was on the receiving end of in his career, then you just put it down to genetically tougher bones than your average footballer, to not have suffered a similar fate to Haaland.
It was uncommon for your hatchet an to be your best player. So Keane was unique in that sense.
Bone crunching carrier threatening tackles were the norm in the first half of Keane's career in the PL. It was considered part of the entertainment back then.
Every team had a hatchet man back then. And if you look at the amount of leg breaking tackles Keane was on the receiving end of in his career, then you just put it down to genetically tougher bones than your average footballer, to not have suffered a similar fate to Haaland.
It was uncommon for your hatchet an to be your best player. So Keane was unique in that sense.
Umm no. It’s because it’s life. Im absolutely stunned that anyone would pay any heed to his comments re Walters in the first place. And yes I expect you to rise above certain challenges. Do I think that Keane rose above those challenges -no! I think he’s a lot of flaws but I agree with him on Jon Walters stuff.
Roy, how's it hanging?
What the longer segment shows. Is that what Keane doesn’t understand but Neville does is that it’s just about success and usefulness and not loyalty.
At that time Roy Keane was 34 on a lot of money and going up against Carlos Quiroz who SAF viewed as more useful to developing the style of play that we’d see become successful in 2007/2008. If it happened when Keane was in him prime SAF would have stopped it getting so far, in fact it’s unlikely that an assistant would antagonise the club captain without knowing that the manager was on board with it.
As for SAF none of us care about his brother being scout or Darren Ferguson playing or SAF recalling players back on loan the day after Darren got sacked. But that’s not real loyalty to SAF, that’s loyalty to the fact that he remained successful until he retired.
I guarantee if after Mourinho joined Chelsea and our 2 seasons of finishing 3-4 during SAF rebuild lasted 4-5 years people would have started bringing up SAF conflict over horses that made our main shareholder sell his shares to Malcolm Glazer, they would have started mentioning all the things that Keane spoke about.
Just like with Wenger. As soon as he went 4+ more years without winning the league and it became obvious 4th was his new level, Arsenal fans started talking about his wages and other things. But before none of these were ever mentioned.
At that time Roy Keane was 34 on a lot of money and going up against Carlos Quiroz who SAF viewed as more useful to developing the style of play that we’d see become successful in 2007/2008. If it happened when Keane was in him prime SAF would have stopped it getting so far, in fact it’s unlikely that an assistant would antagonise the club captain without knowing that the manager was on board with it.
As for SAF none of us care about his brother being scout or Darren Ferguson playing or SAF recalling players back on loan the day after Darren got sacked. But that’s not real loyalty to SAF, that’s loyalty to the fact that he remained successful until he retired.
I guarantee if after Mourinho joined Chelsea and our 2 seasons of finishing 3-4 during SAF rebuild lasted 4-5 years people would have started bringing up SAF conflict over horses that made our main shareholder sell his shares to Malcolm Glazer, they would have started mentioning all the things that Keane spoke about.
Just like with Wenger. As soon as he went 4+ more years without winning the league and it became obvious 4th was his new level, Arsenal fans started talking about his wages and other things. But before none of these were ever mentioned.
I don't need to watch it again, I taped it to watch when I got back from the match, and I watched it twice back in 1996, and goal apart i'm not putting myself through that again, so for a quiet life yeah Roy Keane was M.O.M and by quite some distance, even though we all know it was the Referee for blowing the final whistle to put us all out of our misery.
You think Keane didn’t contribute at least as much as Ronaldo for instance? It’s rhetorical question. It’s fecking daft. Keane was inherently more instrumental than Ronaldo for instance.
You haven't lived through their interactions and can't possibly relate to the things that have fueled their bitterness. As with most things, it wouldn't have been United getting rid of Keane but the manner in which it was handled. He would have his reasons for feeling deeply aggrieved by it all, whether he's right or wrong, and that's impossible for us to determine anyway.