Roy Keane - 10 years on

LeChuck

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Excellent article on Roy Keane, 10 years on from his 'rant'.

Roy Keane and Manchester United: Ten years after his acrimonious exit
Last Updated: 12/11/15 4:37pm
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Roy Keane was Mr Manchester United but their paths have diverged
On November 18, 2005, Manchester United captain Roy Keane walked out of Old Trafford. He had been with the club for 12 years and their skipper for eight. Ten years on, the club's long-time leader is on the outside at a club that prides itself on tradition. Adam Bate assesses his legacy…


Who is the defining player of the Premier League era? Alan Shearer got the goals but his career was light on trophies. Ryan Giggs had no peer when it came to medal collecting but was never truly the key figure in his team. For much of his time at Manchester United, that status belonged to Roy Keane. The captain. The on-field incarnation of manager Sir Alex Ferguson.


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Keane's relationship with Sir Alex Ferguson has since disintegrated

And yet, the fracturing of the bond between the two men has left Keane appearing isolated. The contrast is stark. The home-grown Class of '92 continue to offer a conspicuous link between past and present. Indeed, Giggs and Nicky Butt still work for the club. Meanwhile the 'true red' credentials of Gary Neville and Paul Scholes have managed to survive their punditry careers. But what of Keane?

Having left the club aged 28, it was David Beckham who was supposed to be the prodigal son. However, even he seems closer to the Old Trafford hierarchy than his old captain. Keane lacks those political skills and can no longer stomach such deference to Ferguson. Instead, he is the dangerous outsider. It's a curious juxtaposition given that he was the central figure in United's dominance.


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Keane lifting his first Premier League trophy with Man Utd in 1994

United did end their long title wait in the season before Keane's arrival. But while Eric Cantona might have been the man with the skills to help the club ascend that particular mountain, it was Keane who ensured that the summit was where they would stay for the rest of his career, winning seven titles. He staked the flag, setting standards that only the best could come close to attaining.


As a result, it's worth reassessing what we mean by 'home-grown' when we talk of that Class of '92. Who really made them? United's academy has been rightly lauded but it was the unique atmosphere upon reaching the first team that elevated them. As Gary Neville puts it, Keane was the man who "took the squad to another level" by making them products of his insatiable desire for perfection.


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Perhaps his greatest gift was to create a standard of performance which demanded the very best from his team.
Gary Neville


"He was a great player, beyond question," wrote Neville in his autobiography. "A midfielder of extraordinary tenacity and box-to-box dynamism, with a ferocious tackle and an underrated ability to use the ball astutely. But perhaps his greatest gift was to create a standard of performance which demanded the very best from his team.


"You would look at him busting a gut and feel that you'd be betraying him if you didn't give everything yourself. There was a time, a match at Coventry, when Keano came storming at me after I'd taken an extra touch to steady myself before getting a cross over. Thrusting his head forward - I honestly thought he was going to butt me. It was like having a snarling pitbull in my face."


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Keane's infamous foul on Manchester City's Alf-Inge Haaland in 2001

This image of Keane as rage personified is a seductive one and it has certainly endured. There's the assault on Alf-Inge Haaland in the Manchester derby and the battles - both physical and mental - with Arsenal's Patrick Vieira that defined a rivalry. But, as Neville alludes to, the beauty of Keane's beastliness was that it accompanied brilliance rather than substituted for it. He could play too.


The lessons punched into him - sometimes literally - by Brian Clough regarding the merits of simple passing were not forgotten. Those basic principles allowed Ferguson to focus on other areas. "With Roy Keane present, keeping the ball was never a problem," said the Scot. "I said so from the minute he came to the club. 'He never gives the ball away, this guy,' I told the staff and players."


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Keane's Premier League battles with Patrick Vieira were fiesty affairs

Amid the self-deprecation, what comes across in Keane's own autobiography is that he prided himself on feeling the rhythm of a game; on controlling its tempo. He could up it when necessary - it was work rate that he felt set him apart - but also developed the ability to slow things down when appropriate too. Either way, he was able to impose his will and skill on even the fiercest of contests.


His man-of-the-match display in the 1996 FA Cup final against Liverpool was overshadowed by Eric Cantona's late goal and forgotten due to the disappointment of an overhyped clash. But it was a chanceless affair thanks to Keane's stranglehold on midfield. Alternatively, his celebrated showing against Juventus in 1999 was an example of how he could win a game as well as shut one down.


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Keane's performance against Juventus in 1999 is the stuff of folklore

The booking that ruled him out of that Champions League final means the performance has entered folklore. Ferguson called it "the most emphatic display of selflessness I have seen on a football field" but, naturally, Keane saw it differently. Driven by guilt, he spoke of "honouring the debt" to the team. "You could argue my indiscipline came very close to costing us the treble," he later claimed.


He was always tough on himself - and others. After picking up the Champions League winners' medal that he never felt he deserved, Keane was openly frustrated by what he perceived as the sated atmosphere of contentment post-1999. It has been suggested that this was a particular concern for the captain because he hadn't experienced that feeling of victory himself.


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If Roy Keane thought you weren’t pulling your weight he would be right on top of you, straight away. Many players faced his wrath for committing that crime.
Sir Alex Ferguson


That seems to miss the point. Keane would surely have felt the same way even if he'd scored a hat-trick in the final. "If Roy Keane thought you weren't pulling your weight he would be right on top of you, straight away," said Ferguson. "Many players faced his wrath for committing that crime and there would be no place to hide from him. I never felt that was a bad aspect of his character."



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Keane had a habit of driving his team forwards in key moments
Ferguson was to change his mind when Keane's ire found a target rather closer to home. In 2005, the infamous critique of his colleagues after a defeat at Middlesbrough precipitated his departure. It's commonly referred to as a rant but, more likely, was reminiscent of what Niall Quinn called the "surgical slaughtering" of Mick McCarthy that Keane had conducted in Saipan three years earlier.


Rio Ferdinand and Darren Fletcher were among those insulted, but the later criticism of Ferguson did for him. After arguing with Edwin van der Sar and Ruud van Nistelrooy at a follow-up meeting, Keane referenced the manager's racehorse row with John Magnier. "He saved the best for me," said Ferguson. "'You brought your private life into the club with your argument with Magnier,' he said."


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Keane criticised Darren Fletcher and was famed for his high standards
Part 2 to follow.
 
With supporters having chanted Keane's name, both in the stadium and as the players walked through the airport, following the defeat to Lille in the next game after their loss to Middlesbrough, it could not have escaped Ferguson that the skipper had become a divisive figure. That constant pursuit of excellence that was a driver for Keane, was now arguably stifling the more sensitive souls among the modern dressing room.


"He was wound up because he felt the younger players were falling short," suggested Neville. "He'd see them on their gadgets like their PlayStations and he couldn't get his head around it. He didn't have time to go through several seasons of rebuilding. You don't use a word like 'transition' around Roy Keane." On November 18 of 2005, his 12-year stay at Old Trafford came to an abrupt end.



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Keane's leadership qualities were a key part of Man Utd's success


In the heat of their argument, Keane also accused Ferguson of having 'changed'. It was meant as an insult but, in truth, Ferguson would be entitled to regard it as a compliment. The wily old boss had adapted again, and subsequently delivered United's most consistent period of European success, utilising several of the players Keane had identified as not being up to the demands of the job.


The events of 2005 have shaped everything we've seen since from Keane. While Giggs and Scholes were afforded long farewell tours, Keane exited mid-season and through the back door. The man who Ferguson said "took a lot of the onus off me in making sure the dressing room was operating at a high level of motivation" was forced out once he'd become as much of a hindrance as an asset.



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Keane has not been prepared to toe the line since leaving Man Utd


As a consequence of that subsequent success, creating heroes for a new generation of fans, there has been a slight shift in Keane's standing. Doubt has been created where there should be none. Giggs' form waxed and waned. Scholes didn't even make the team for the 1999 Juventus semi-final that his captain so owned. Throughout his time at the club, Keane's position was never in doubt.



"There wasn't a player at United who could match Roy's influence in my time at the club," said Neville. And yet, a decade on, it is Keane's old nemesis Vieira who is being groomed for one of the top jobs in Manchester while the man who brought more league titles to the city than any other captain is on the outside looking in. He is Republic of Ireland's assistant manager.

And so, while it's Giggs, anointed by Ferguson, likely to bring the leadership continuity Old Trafford demands in becoming Louis van Gaal's successor, Keane is the cult hero; a maverick whose barbs are now deemed unhelpful to the cause. There's an irony there. For no player did more to reconstruct the glory of United than the man with whom the club diverged paths 10 years ago on Wednesday. The incomparable Roy Keane.
 
Those ten years have flown. Hero, what an absolute colossus he was at his peak.
 
Cue random insanity...

"He couldn't pass and had average technique. He didn't score enough goals."
 
Great player, but hes still a gobshite who burned any bridges that could have seen him have a place at the club a long time ago.
 
"He didn't have time to go through several seasons of rebuilding. You don't use a word like 'transition' around Roy Keane"

Wonder what sort of presence he'd have been if he was here during the last two years? He'd either lift the team or be driven into a full on meltdown by what was happening around him.

Brilliant player though, even ignoring the leadership element he brought.
 
"He didn't have time to go through several seasons of rebuilding. You don't use a word like 'transition' around Roy Keane"

Wonder what sort of presence he'd have been if he was here during the last two years? He'd either lift the team or be driven into a full on meltdown by what was happening around him.

Brilliant player though, even ignoring the leadership element he brought.

Now there's a tantalising thought. I honestly don't think we'd have gone through the post Ferguson trauma with Keane involved.
 
An absolute force of nature as a player.

I've never seen anyone as influential since. The amount of times he literally drove the rest of the team into winning matches.

Not sure his type will ever been seen again given how much football has changed over the last 25 years
 
The personality 'quirks' that make him so hard to warm to in his post playing career are the same qualities that made him such a great leader. Its a pity to see United fans doubt his talents and abilities cos its either revisionism based on his comments or people who don't remember him during his peak but he was a colossus.
 
I would break the transfer record to have a Roy Keane now. Incomparably great player (and I love his post-United persona as well.)
 
It says a lot when United fans can remember where they were when they heard the news Roy Keane was leaving Man Utd.

3 times Swiney, Schnider and Carrick put together
 
Colossus of a player. Basically the heartbeat of the most successful side in Utd's history.


"If I was putting Roy Keane out there to represent Manchester United on a one against one, we'd win the Derby, the National, the Boat Race and anything else," Sir Alex Ferguson once said. "It's an incredible thing he's got."
 
Somebody said that they'd break the transfer record for R.Keane, today.
I'll say the same.
If Roy Keane was in our team today, I think we'd win the league title.

Our problem right now is that we have no cnuts in our team. All the players are a bunch of nice guys, who you'd invite to dinner.

When Vieira and Keane lined up in the tunnel before a game, they argued. It was like they were going to war.
In 2015, when our players line up in the tunnel before a game, they shake hands with their opponents and ask how they are doing.

Vardy, Vieira, Keane, Shearer, Costa, J.Terry, Ibrahimovic, E.Davids (amongst many others) are all cnuts on the pitch. These are the types of players who can change a game and we don't have any. Rooney used to be a cnut when he was younger, but the guy is so mellow these days, its like he has had a personality transplant.

Keane - top player.
 
Amazing player, just amazing. Ive never seen anyone in any sport with his will to win.
 
When I was growing up, we had Bryan Robson. He responded to Fergie's ultimatum about professionalism and became truly great. When Robson was in the team, we usually won. When he was injured, which was with greater frequency as the years progressed, we were invariably overrun. Then came Paul Ince, and he was a feckin lunatic, but in a good way. He'd lose the ball at the edge of the opposition box and chase the player who dispossessed him all the way down to the other end of the pitch and get it back. But he was Billy Big Bollocks, so Fergie got shut. Keane was like a hybrid of Robson's leadership and Ince's ego. A hell of a great footballer and the undisputed leader on the pitch. Just a pity he's been an absolute twat since he left.
 
Love him.
It's easy for some to look back now with hindsight and say different but, at the time, when he had a go at Rio and the rest, he was basically saying what we were all thinking.

Great memories though. Taking out the goals, passes, tackles, assists, it was the little passages of play Keane started or orchestrated that always stick out for me. Like Elland Road in 1999. Nicky Butt, shitting his cacks and gifting Leeds a goal. The whole team buckling under pressure with the treble looming, Keane takes control, starts a move, makes a few passes, crosses from the right, the cross takes 3 defenders out and lands right to Coley to bang into the back of the net. :drool:

As a side note, it's interesting how the article says Giggs was never a key figure in a United team.
 
As a side note, it's interesting how the article says Giggs was never a key figure in a United team.

I think the problem with Giggs was his longevity, which is almost akin to inconsistency, or consistency without a definable pinnacle. Key figure in the 93/94 side, a key figure in 98/99, a couple of seasons in the 00s, and a sort of regeneration towards the end of his career. I actually tend to think that Giggs (though not in his prime, which is notoriously difficult to pin down) was at his most important during his last 2-3 seasons when he played in midfield.

It's a lot simpler to point to Keane and say, "Key figure from his arrival to about '03, started to decline in his last season". He was consistently brilliant for most of his time here. The same is true of Cantona (the decline part as well). With Giggs, because no one ever agrees on his actual peak years, it's hugely difficult to determine when he was a key figure, and in that period, was he the key figure?
 
As a side note, it's interesting how the article says Giggs was never a key figure in a United team.
The article would be wrong on that part. It was the injury to Giggs in 98 that played the biggest part in us losing it that year for one. What he was at times was underrated. The sheer number of goals he created for the team was incredible.
 
The article would be wrong on that part. It was the injury to Giggs in 98 that played the biggest part in us losing it that year for one. What he was at times was underrated. The sheer number of goals he created for the team was incredible.

I remember that against Derby. We probably would have just got over the line if he had stayed fit.

Absolute bollix that season was. Giggs, Keane, Pallister all missing at key points, with Becks, Scholes, Butt, Neville and Cole playing with injuries
 
A colossus indeed, which no sane person denies.

The only question I have is whether his viciousness on the pitch really was necessary to making him the colossus he was. Someone's got to have the stats on how many months (years?) he missed due to self-inflict injuries and suspensions. And I'm not talking about yellow cards in CL semifinals. Them's the breaks.

Love Keane the player, but Keane the ex-player is a mess.
 
A colossus indeed, which no sane person denies.

The only question I have is whether his viciousness on the pitch really was necessary to making him the colossus he was. Someone's got to have the stats on how many months (years?) he missed due to self-inflict injuries and suspensions. And I'm not talking about yellow cards in CL semifinals. Them's the breaks.

Love Keane the player, but Keane the ex-player is a mess.

Loving wife, family, big houses, multi millionaire, world wide respected footballer, 2 matches away from being part of a management set up that brings his country to a major international finals.....I'd love to be a mess then so

One self inflicted injury from what I recall...3 or 4 self inflicted sending offs
 
This image of Keane as rage personified is a seductive one and it has certainly endured. There's the assault on Alf-Inge Haaland in the Manchester derby and the battles - both physical and mental - with Arsenal's Patrick Vieira that defined a rivalry. But, as Neville alludes to, the beauty of Keane's beastliness was that it accompanied brilliance rather than substituted for it. He could play too.


The lessons punched into him - sometimes literally - by Brian Clough regarding the merits of simple passing were not forgotten. Those basic principles allowed Ferguson to focus on other areas. "With Roy Keane present, keeping the ball was never a problem," said the Scot. "I said so from the minute he came to the club. 'He never gives the ball away, this guy,' I told the staff and players."

Amid the self-deprecation, what comes across in Keane's own autobiography is that he prided himself on feeling the rhythm of a game; on controlling its tempo. He could up it when necessary - it was work rate that he felt set him apart - but also developed the ability to slow things down when appropriate too. Either way, he was able to impose his will and skill on even the fiercest of contests.

This chunk is really pertinent to the debate in the 'Keane passing thread'.

Also can anyone find the bolded bit from his autobiography if possible?
 
Keane v Moyes :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

"Whats this gaffer?!?!"
"Aye Roy, gonna show you a wee video!"
"Of what now? All credit to vhs at the end of the day but, where's the blu ray like?"
"What? (Insert typical smug Moyes grin) Anyway, this is a video of Leon Osman. I want you to watch it, study it and play more like him"
"feck you! I never fecking respected you as a player or as a manager. You can shove your pluckiness up your bollocks"
 
A colossus indeed, which no sane person denies.

The only question I have is whether his viciousness on the pitch really was necessary to making him the colossus he was. Someone's got to have the stats on how many months (years?) he missed due to self-inflict injuries and suspensions. And I'm not talking about yellow cards in CL semifinals. Them's the breaks.

Love Keane the player, but Keane the ex-player is a mess.
No words.
 
I actually can't think of a single thing Keane has said since he left that might be classed as anti-United, or unfounded. The Nani red card maybe, but that's it. Most honest pundit currently around, judgement not affected by the loyalties of Neville and Scholes.
 
I actually can't think of a single thing Keane has said since he left that might be classed as anti-United, or unfounded. The Nani red card maybe, but that's it. Most honest pundit currently around, judgement not affected by the loyalties of Neville and Scholes.

He seems to love LvG....Thinks he's great.

Most recently, it's come to light that he hates Ashley Young
 
He seems to love LvG....Thinks he's great.

Most recently, it's come to light that he hates Ashley Young
I agree on the first one, and can understand the second. Young's diving is a disgrace.
 
He's always defending LVG. Probably hates the way the likes of Scholes talk about him. I am too young to remember him from his peak but my dad never fails to remind me what a gret player he was when he pops on TV>