Rooney vs Nani

Who will be the better player in two years?

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I voted Rooney however I am wondering why....

09/10 - Arguably his best season with us
10/11 - Difficult season, was clearly unfit after being rushed back for the WC, had the contract dispute, ended the season pretty well though
11/12 - Started the season where he left of, since the Chelsea game though big question marks but what can we put it down to this year? He hasn't had any massive off the field problems, he hasn't had any major injuries and I'm not buying his momentum was lost by playing 1 or 2 games in midfield or missing one game through a breach of discipline

Is it possible that 09/10 was in fact a one off?
 
Garethw said:
At the end of the day everyone of is entitled to their opinions mate. You obviously rate Nani a bit higher than Rooney.

What is unbelievably cringeworthy is how some of the other posters on this site have this pathological hatred for Rooney.

Pretty much every club side in the world would want to sign The guy, yet he is still "shit" in some posters minds.
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Could you back this up with any quotes? Seriously, and am not having a dig at you but just curious to know if there's actually anyone on here who thinks he's shit at football..
 
charlenefan said:
I voted Rooney however I am wondering why....

09/10 - Arguably his best season with us
10/11 - Difficult season, was clearly unfit after being rushed back for the WC, had the contract dispute, ended the season pretty well though
11/12 - Started the season where he left of, since the Chelsea game though big question marks but what can we put it down to this year? He hasn't had any massive off the field problems, he hasn't had any major injuries and I'm not buying his momentum was lost by playing 1 or 2 games in midfield or missing one game through a breach of discipline

Is it possible that 09/10 was in fact a one off?
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It wasn't even his best season. It was his most clinical season, primarily used in that position to recoup for the loss of Ronaldo. It worked in the sense that he was our leading goalscorer and bagged ridiculous amounts of goals, but he also doesn't play the same position now because it limited his involvement overall. Playing Rooney so far up front reduced some of his finer qualities, which are better than goals, like his passing and distribution, providing the link-up for our attack. I was glad to see we didn't keep that Rooney, for all the goals he scored, which was needed at the time, it took too much away from him, he's too good to just play as an out and out striker.

Which is incidentally the problem when he goes missing. If it's just a case of replacing a goal scorer, we can do that as we have great options, but Wayne's ability is far higher than that of someone limited to playing in that position, which is why even during his goal droughts he starts because there's more to his game.
 
Hectic said:
It wasn't even his best season. It was his most clinical season, primarily used in that position to recoup for the loss of Ronaldo. It worked in the sense that he was our leading goalscorer and bagged ridiculous amounts of goals, but he also doesn't play the same position now because it limited his involvement overall. Playing Rooney so far up front reduced some of his finer qualities, which are better than goals, like his passing and distribution, providing the link-up for our attack. I was glad to see we didn't keep that Rooney, for all the goals he scored, which was needed at the time, it took too much away from him, he's too good to just play as an out and out striker.
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Which season do you think has been his best for us?
 
Hectic said:
From memory, two came early into second half, the cross for Welbeck which he mistimed and just jumped too early, it was a great ball. The cut-back for Valencia which was a great chance, but let to his psycho-volley in the corner of nowhere, and finally Evra's ball forwards which was incorrectly called offside. Three pieces of play that could have been goals of any other day, plus he had one decent cross in the first half (amongst mostly shit ones), and one good chance on goal.

All in all, that's no really inconsistent at all, it's just unlucky. Too many times these things are confused.
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Yeah you're right there. I've said it a lot of times that a winger's game is too easliy judged on the performances of others. It's the hardest position where you can be recognised because most of your game is creating. How often do we see a great cross whipped along the six-yard box with no one there? It just counts as an inaccurate pass.

Whereas corner taking on the other hand, is easier to get recognition for. You don't have to find a man, you aren't expected to, but if you can get the ball around the penalty spot (which we see so rarely nowadays and it bugs the hell out of me), you think, 'good ball,' but how often do we see them not beat the first man? Nani does that a lot and I wonder why he's still on corners. I'd much rather have Giggs, Valencia, Young (who does take them in fairness) or Rooney on them, possibly even Scholes.
 
charlenefan said:
I voted Rooney however I am wondering why....

09/10 - Arguably his best season with us
10/11 - Difficult season, was clearly unfit after being rushed back for the WC, had the contract dispute, ended the season pretty well though
11/12 - Started the season where he left of, since the Chelsea game though big question marks but what can we put it down to this year? He hasn't had any massive off the field problems, he hasn't had any major injuries and I'm not buying his momentum was lost by playing 1 or 2 games in midfield or missing one game through a breach of discipline

Is it possible that 09/10 was in fact a one off?
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09/10 he had his critics too, he scored a lot of goals but his build up wasn't anywhere near like it was the previous seasons.

His best run of form for me was the second half of last season and the start of this one, his build up play was sensational and he was scoring proflically too.

I think he's been very good this season too, I don't understand why he's getting too much criticism. At the start of the season he was our best player and since then he's still been providing very good performances alongside the odd shocker here and there.
 
Varun_Utd said:
Could you back this up with any quotes? Seriously, and am not having a dig at you but just curious to know if there's actually anyone on here who thinks he's shit at football..
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Even I have never said he is a shit footballer. A cock....yes many times, inconsistant and not quite world class, yes again but that is still a long way from shit.
 
Liam147 said:
Yeah you're right there. I've said it a lot of times that a winger's game is too easliy judged on the performances of others. It's the hardest position where you can be recognised because most of your game is creating. How often do we see a great cross whipped along the six-yard box with no one there? It just counts as an inaccurate pass.

Whereas corner taking on the other hand, is easier to get recognition for. You don't have to find a man, you aren't expected to, but if you can get the ball around the penalty spot (which we see so rarely nowadays and it bugs the hell out of me), you think, 'good ball,' but how often do we see them not beat the first man? Nani does that a lot and I wonder why he's still on corners. I'd much rather have Giggs, Valencia, Young (who does take them in fairness) or Rooney on them, possibly even Scholes.
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Agree with all of that, especially the crosses and corners bit and how they are perceived. No idea why he is still on corners though, I'd have Rooney or Giggs above him every time.
 
Sparky_Hughes said:
Even I have never said he is a shit footballer. A cock....yes many times, inconsistant and not quite world class, yes again but that is still a long way from shit.
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I'd be shocked if anybody's actually called him shit tbh. Quite a few have not recovered from the whole contract situation but even they hate the person he is not actually think he's shit at football.
 
Hectic said:
It wasn't even his best season. It was his most clinical season, primarily used in that position to recoup for the loss of Ronaldo. It worked in the sense that he was our leading goalscorer and bagged ridiculous amounts of goals, but he also doesn't play the same position now because it limited his involvement overall. Playing Rooney so far up front reduced some of his finer qualities, which are better than goals, like his passing and distribution, providing the link-up for our attack. I was glad to see we didn't keep that Rooney, for all the goals he scored, which was needed at the time, it took too much away from him, he's too good to just play as an out and out striker.
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hhmm I'm not sure, I dont remember thinking back then wow Rooney had a poor game but still scored 2 goals. I know what you mean as by playing him that high up you dont see him come deep spraying balls about but is that really worth more than goals? I'm not sure. I think this is the biggest problem we have with Rooney, while he's in the team playing with another striker we're never going to sign a player like Silva who's probably better in that number 10 role linking the midfield with the attack. I personally think Rooney is at his best when he's the furthest forward

AttackingFlair said:
Which season do you think has been his best for us?
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I know that wasn't aimed at me but if it wasn't the 09/10 season then surely the 06/07 one
 
Garethw said:
Pretty much every club side in the world would want to sign The guy, yet he is still "shit" in some posters minds.
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No-one with half a brain, oh wait, in fact, there's a few of them on here and even they wouldn't claim that Rooney wasn't a brilliant footballer. "Shit"... stop being silly Gareth.
 
charlenefan said:
hhmm I'm not sure, I dont remember thinking back then wow Rooney had a poor game but still scored 2 goals. I know what you mean as by playing him that high up you dont see him come deep spraying balls about but is that really worth more than goals? I'm not sure. I think this is the biggest problem we have with Rooney, while he's in the team playing with another striker we're never going to sign a player like Silva who's probably better in that number 10 role linking the midfield with the attack. I personally think Rooney is at his best when he's the furthest forward
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Interesting point, have someone else perform the role he is used for now, and have him focus entirely on scoring. I don't know, I always find his best performances for me have come when he's had the most involvement, and that's been when he isn't out and out. My memory is fairly shocking to be honest, I'd need to re-watch the season but I felt there were a few of those matches, he was much more of a clinical poacher on the pitch, rather than the engine. When he strikes up the right balance between the two though, and the team is on song, it's incredible.
 
Yeah, John is going on about things that doesn't happen, and can't accept that I prefer Nani over Wayne. He has some kind of mental complex, that denies him basic intelligence. I think you've just jumped on the back of that Gareth. He get's criticism, sometimes justified, sometimes unwarranted, but no-one here seriously thinks he's a shit footballer. And even then, you wouldn't find a post of his being agreed with.
 
I just voted for Nani.

In two years Nani has a good chance of being a phenomenal winger. He has time on his side to iron out those last frustrating bits of his game.

If you charted their relative developments on a graph, Nani's line would point higher. Rooney's would be rather an unfathomable squiggle.

Right here and now though, if we could only have one playing for us between now and the end of the season, I would choose Rooney.
 
Rooney did some magical things in 06/07 but he also went through a really bad period. However, the second half of the season he was amazing and became our joint top scorer. That chip against Portsmouth springs to mind, as well as the chest and curler vs Roma, last minute goal against Milan.
 
AttackingFlair said:
Rooney did some magical things in 06/07 but he also went through a really bad period. However, the second half of the season he was amazing and became our joint top scorer. That chip against Portsmouth springs to mind, as well as the chest and curler vs Roma, last minute goal against Milan.
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Those are the things that stick in my mind as well, back then he was a lot younger but still had the goals and his link up play was arguably much better than it is now not to mention back then the chips actually came off :lol:
 
I can't remember what game it was but last year he went on a run as we kicked off straight after a team had scored against us, it was a crazy run and ended up in a good shot I think, and there's been times since then, but it's rare. I love that he's added different assets to his game, and his distribution now when on form is second only to Scholes in our team, but he's also lost parts of his game that I'd always hoped he would develop further. Maybe it's a confidence issue, but it would be strange because he just does not run at defenders like that, and hasn't done regularly for a long time, even when he has been full of confidence.
 
johnmufc, your constant undermining of Nani is unbearable.

Nani seems to be this site's new hate figure. Anything he does is not good enough for some people here. If he is put into the FIFA/FIFPro World XI, it is not good enough because according to this site's wisest, he did not deserve it. Instead of congratulating the player, he is slated. 6 goals and 7 assists in 22 matches so far this season? Not good enough, the player is too inconsistent. One decent performance after a superb match-winning performance against Manchester City? The player is too inconsistent, he is overrated.

I for one am sick of the unwarranted criticism Nani gets here.
 
I remember that game well, he was fecking amazing. He looked like he could've taken on City alone.
 
Interval Level said:
johnmufc, your constant undermining of Nani is unbearable.

Nani seems to be this site's new hate figure. Anything he does is not good enough for some people here. If he is put into the FIFA/FIFPro World XI, it is not good enough because according to this site's wisest, he did not deserve it. Instead of congratulating the player, he is slated. 6 goals and 7 assists in 22 matches so far this season? Not good enough, the player is too inconsistent. One decent performance after a superb match-winning performance against Manchester City? The player is too inconsistent, he is overrated.

I for one am sick of the unwarranted criticism Nani gets here.
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I find that a very strange observation. I would say the exact opposite is true. I have made critical comments about Nani - which I have intended to be quite moderate because I do rate him as a player - and I get jumped on.

Look at the stats of the poll. Nani is beating Rooney 2:1.

Look at the other thread, about our most important players. Everyone picking 3, about 90% of people have Nani as one of those.

He is very highly rated on here. People just dont like any criticism of him, especially if it is in areas that he has improved on. I.e. where there is a feeling he is not getting credit for the progress he has made.
 
Hectic said:
I can't remember what game it was but last year he went on a run as we kicked off straight after a team had scored against us, it was a crazy run and ended up in a good shot I think, and there's been times since then, but it's rare. I love that he's added different assets to his game, and his distribution now when on form is second only to Scholes in our team, but he's also lost parts of his game that I'd always hoped he would develop further. Maybe it's a confidence issue, but it would be strange because he just does not run at defenders like that, and hasn't done regularly for a long time, even when he has been full of confidence.
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It was City(H), the same game where he scored that overhead kick.
 
Hectic said:
I can't remember what game it was but last year he went on a run as we kicked off straight after a team had scored against us, it was a crazy run and ended up in a good shot I think, and there's been times since then, but it's rare. I love that he's added different assets to his game, and his distribution now when on form is second only to Scholes in our team, but he's also lost parts of his game that I'd always hoped he would develop further. Maybe it's a confidence issue, but it would be strange because he just does not run at defenders like that, and hasn't done regularly for a long time, even when he has been full of confidence.
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I remember him doing something similar vs Wigan when Ronaldo was still here, Carrick ended up scoring the winner on the night.

Then there was that game in 09/10 vs City in the cup where Rooney nearly single handedly won us the game with his dribbling and shooting but Given kept making great saves. Was hoping someone would make a video of his performance in that match but they never did.
 
Simon Adebesi said:
I find that a very strange observation. I would say the exact opposite is true. I have made critical comments about Nani - which I have intended to be quite moderate because I do rate him as a player - and I get jumped on.

Look at the stats of the poll. Nani is beating Rooney 2:1.

Look at the other thread, about our most important players. Everyone picking 3, about 90% of people have Nani as one of those.

He is very highly rated on here. People just dont like any criticism of him, especially if it is in areas that he has improved on. I.e. where there is a feeling he is not getting credit for the progress he has made.
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IL was sarcastic mate, he was taking the mickey out John's earlier post regarding Rooney.
 
Simon Adebesi said:
I find that a very strange observation. I would say the exact opposite is true. I have made critical comments about Nani - which I have intended to be quite moderate because I do rate him as a player - and I get jumped on.

Look at the stats of the poll. Nani is beating Rooney 2:1.

Look at the other thread, about our most important players. Everyone picking 3, about 90% of people have Nani as one of those.

He is very highly rated on here. People just dont like any criticism of him, especially if it is in areas that he has improved on. I.e. where there is a feeling he is not getting credit for the progress he has made.
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Yeah. No. Er... He's no Carrick for sure.
 
Hectic said:
I can't remember what game it was but last year he went on a run as we kicked off straight after a team had scored against us, it was a crazy run and ended up in a good shot I think, and there's been times since then, but it's rare. I love that he's added different assets to his game, and his distribution now when on form is second only to Scholes in our team, but he's also lost parts of his game that I'd always hoped he would develop further. Maybe it's a confidence issue, but it would be strange because he just does not run at defenders like that, and hasn't done regularly for a long time, even when he has been full of confidence.
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He doesnt really have the dribbling ability to beat defenders on a consistent basis tbh. And by dribbling ability i dont mean step overs or anything, just the ability to get the better of defenders when running at them. He recognizes this i believe.
 
Simon Adebesi said:
I find that a very strange observation. I would say the exact opposite is true. I have made critical comments about Rooney - which I have intended to be quite moderate because I do rate him as a player - and I get jumped on.
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I think it was a piss take of the exact same post regarding Rooney to be fair Simon. :D

And you aren't fooling anyone mate, we all know you have Nani issues, just man up and accept it instead of hiding behind "I have intended to be quite moderate".
 
Simon Adebesi said:
I have made critical comments about Nani - which I have intended to be quite moderate because I do rate him as a player - and I get jumped on.
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Here's "moderate" Simon everyone:

Simon Adebesi said:
Agree with all of that.

6/10 every time, and 8/10 "when on fire".

Does that sound like you are describing the best winger in the country? it doesnt to me.
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