Rooney is finished

Is Rooney done at the required level?


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The worst part about this is that this was totally avoidable.

A good manager, a semi-competent manager prior to this season would have got rid of him and put him out of his misery. He could have done a job at Everton or a team down the league but it's turning to tears now. Club has a lot to answer for.
Koeman wouldn't have touched him if we gave him for free and payed him half of the wages.
 
Those results are more damning than I thought. Over 19 in 20 united fans want him dropped from here.
 
One day Rooney will be dropped. Properly dropped. He'll not play well, he'll go home, put the kettle on, go about his life and then when the next game comes round his name won't be on the team sheet. And it'll happen a few times. And then he'll have to compete for his position like everyone else.

It doesnt feel like it's going to happen imminently tho. When it does happen, however much I'm expecting it, it'll still be a huge surprise.
 
The no.10 is the most important part of a 4231, so Rooney being shit is really fecking up the entire thing.
 
He's our Gerrard, he's will play until his contract is up, he ain't going anywhere.

I'm a longtime Gerrard was overrated person but he was never as bad as Rooney has now been for while. At least he gave Pool some deep passing.
 
He was very poor today. But he's still our most intelligent front 6 player. That's why he plays every week. Unlike Rashford or Martial or Lingard or Memphis - who are undoubtedly talented but play instinctually - Rooney plays with purpose. He knows what he should do and what his teammates should do, it's just that his physical abilities are letting him down. Unfortunately for Mourinho, there's nobody else to take the mantle of being that kind of leader.
 
He was very poor today. But he's still our most intelligent front 6 player. That's why he plays every week. Unlike Rashford or Martial or Lingard or Memphis - who are undoubtedly talented but play instinctually - Rooney plays with purpose. He knows what he should do and what his teammates should do, it's just that his physical abilities are letting him down. Unfortunately for Mourinho, there's nobody else to take the mantle of being that kind of leader.

Can you give some examples?
 
Rooney could still be useful in some games but for now he really should be dropped.

------------------De Gea--------------
Valencia----Bailly---Blind---Shaw

-----------Fellaini-----Herrera/Carrick----

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Mhiki/Rashford---------Ibra---------Martial


This should really be our team now, or at least give that a try.
 
Anyone created a highlight reel of Rooneys game against Watford yet?

Can't find any on YouTube. Was unable to watch the game today so would like to see how bad he truly was.
 
Anyone created a highlight reel of Rooneys game against Watford yet?

Can't find any on YouTube. Was unable to watch the game today so would like to see how bad he truly was.

Just go back one page you'll find it in this thread.
 
Stephen Hunt: "This is why Manchester United are playing Wayne Rooney"

"If I was manager of Manchester United, I would do what Jose Mourinho is doing now and continue to pick Wayne Rooney - but only because I would be looking to sell him. And it wouldn't surprise me at all if that's the plan," Hunt said in his column for the Independent.

"I think it's clear to anyone that Rooney isn't the player he was, but that doesn't mean there isn't a value to playing him.

"For one, it means his actual value in the market isn't affected. Two, he can still come up with moments like the pass for Marcus Rashford's goal against Hull City. There is still a certain amount of value on the pitch."
http://www.express.co.uk/sport/foot...o-Stephen-Hunt-Premier-League-Paul-Pogba-News
 
He was very poor today. But he's still our most intelligent front 6 player. That's why he plays every week. Unlike Rashford or Martial or Lingard or Memphis - who are undoubtedly talented but play instinctually - Rooney plays with purpose. He knows what he should do and what his teammates should do, it's just that his physical abilities are letting him down. Unfortunately for Mourinho, there's nobody else to take the mantle of being that kind of leader.
Obviously he'd be more intelligent compared to them because of experience.

Can't comment on the off-field leadership but on the pitch he hasn't shown leadership quality. Against Watford, when the going got tough he resorted to fouling and arguing with the officials.
 
I think Rooney's decline could've been compensated to an acceptable degree had we had good wingers. Instead we have wide forwards who like to cut inside and make overlapping runs but there's no one who can to pick them out.

So, by instructing them to maintain width, we limit there productivity and affect the team. The fault lies on the coaching staffs as much as on the decline of Rooney.
 
If you had told me in 2013 he'd still be one of the first names on the team sheet in 2016 after spending god knows how much money, right after it was evident that SAF was done with him towards the end of the season, I would've been flabbergasted. He's been done at the top level for years.
 
FORMER Republic of Ireland midfielder Stephen Hunt believes Manchester United are persisting with Wayne Rooney to maximise his sell-on value.

"If I was manager of Manchester United, I would do what Jose Mourinho is doing now and continue to pick Wayne Rooney - but only because I would be looking to sell him."
I'm going to sell my TV on eBay, and to help me entice people I'm going to show everyone that it doesn't work.
 
He survived 90mins after that performance and will start the next game.

Someone like Herrera was the best man on the pitch last game and wasn't even brought on today.

We deserve what we're getting.

This is one reason why our continued shitness is so frustrating. It's hard to feel like we don't deserve it due to bringing a large amount of it on ourselves.
 
How much of our rapid, recent decline (say the past 3 years) as a team is due to his decline as a player over the same period?

No coincidence surely? Take him out and put KdB in there where would we be?
 
Finally looks like the media are slowly coming around to the majority of the cafs way of thinking (bar motd pundits).
Jose has got to make a decision on him which is long over due. I fear he may stick with Rooney saying it's a us versus them situation. We all know he likes a seige mentality at his clubs.
 
Can't see this poll unless I log in.... shouldn't we make it a bit more visible for the casual on looker?:D
 
Finally looks like the media are slowly coming around to the majority of the cafs way of thinking (bar motd pundits).
Jose has got to make a decision on him which is long over due. I fear he may stick with Rooney saying it's a us versus them situation. We all know he likes a seige mentality at his clubs.
Good luck to Jose if he chooses that option:lol:
 
Both MOTD pundits saying Rooney should play in midfield. Do you think it's a secret conspiracy amongst United hating pundits to keep bigging him up so that there is a critical mass of people who think he should be in the team and that this somehow warps Mourinho's mind into selecting him every week while they laugh their assess off.

Nah I'm not feeling it either but his continued selection is clearly making me nuts and paranoid too.
 
Most pundits didn't want Moyes to go. Most opposition fans didn't want him to go.

The only people who wanted him out were United fans.

Same deal here.
 
He was very poor today. But he's still our most intelligent front 6 player. That's why he plays every week. Unlike Rashford or Martial or Lingard or Memphis - who are undoubtedly talented but play instinctually - Rooney plays with purpose. He knows what he should do and what his teammates should do, it's just that his physical abilities are letting him down. Unfortunately for Mourinho, there's nobody else to take the mantle of being that kind of leader.
He may know what he should be doing (I don't see this) but his lack of ability to execute even the most simple of passes is what the issue is. There are plenty of intelligent footballers out there but it doesn't mean they are any good.
 
One amazing moment yesterday was when he looped the corner kick completely out of the penalty box and Savage said "must have been something they practiced on the training round which didn't quite work"...

If you watch the replay everyone runs in the opposite direction of where Rooney skies it!
 
He's our Gerrard, he's will play until his contract is up, he ain't going anywhere.

Gerrard was never even close to being as bad as Rooney was yesterday.

I don't want to be a drama queen but if Mourinho persists with Rooney like Moyes and LVG did, this is going to turn bad, quickly!

He actually wouldn't get a game for Watford!!! We are paying the prick £300k a week.

It wrong. So wrong. How on earth he stayed on the field yesterday is beyond me. Pathetic performance.
 
Both MOTD pundits saying Rooney should play in midfield. Do you think it's a secret conspiracy amongst United hating pundits to keep bigging him up so that there is a critical mass of people who think he should be in the team and that this somehow warps Mourinho's mind into selecting him every week while they laugh their assess off.

Nah I'm not feeling it either but his continued selection is clearly making me nuts and paranoid too.
I dont think so but I like the fact you are at least addressing the question of WHY managers continue to select him when so many fans agree he should be dropped - that his selection is irrational, inexplicable.

At least your theory is a theory, an attempt to explain what might be happening in terms of Mourinho's thought process. And Van Gaal's before him.

I still think the "has to play" clause in the contract is neater. As for the pundits, they are just being loyal friends.
 
How much of our rapid, recent decline (say the past 3 years) as a team is due to his decline as a player over the same period?

No coincidence surely? Take him out and put KdB in there where would we be?

Exactly.
 
I dont think so but I like the fact you are at least addressing the question of WHY managers continue to select him when so many fans agree he should be dropped - that his selection is irrational, inexplicable.

At least your theory is a theory, an attempt to explain what might be happening in terms of Mourinho's thought process. And Van Gaal's before him.

I still think the "has to play" clause in the contract is neater. As for the pundits, they are just being loyal friends.
If he really had a clause like that in his contract, someone on Mourinho's side will leak it at some point.
 
Do we have any international assassins on here?

I have to face a class of 15 seven year old kids taking the piss every time we lose.
 
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