Ronaldo (37) Slaps Phone Out of Child’s (14) Hand | Charged after 5 months of deliberation

moses said:
When did you start engaging with the media? That's how it works. That's how you write a story. If the victim of a random assault has hard luck in the background it gets printed. Widow, single father, recently unemployed.

What would you like? "Human of non-specific age and gender holding phone that Ronaldo slapped has mildly bruised appendage?"

Ronaldo needs to see who is pointing the phone. It was a kid. He is 37. He was in the wrong. How the hell is that brainwashing? It's an old societal norm.

Your logic is that a grown man is not held responsible for hitting a kid because he didn't look at who he was lashing out at? Really? "Well your honor, in his defense it might have been a rapist holding the phone, in which case my client deserves a brave citizen award."

People are annoyed the kid stuck his phone at an injured Ronaldo, imagine if it was the kid who caused injury to the precious footballer. Would it still be a nothing story to you all?
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I have said in almost every post I have put here that Ronaldo has been a petulant cnut so I don't know quite where you get this idea that I think he wasn't in the wrong. I am quite literally replying to the people who keep suggesting that the fact the child was autistic has any relevance at all to what happened.

You're making up bizarre arguments that no one, certainly not myself has made...
 
mctrials23 said:
I have said in almost every post I have put here that Ronaldo has been a petulant cnut so I don't know quite where you get this idea that I think he wasn't in the wrong. I am quite literally replying to the people who keep suggesting that the fact the child was autistic has any relevance at all to what happened.

You're making up bizarre arguments that no one, certainly not myself has made...
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I have answered the that several times. It's not my fault you don't understand why people are mentioning it.
 
Ronaldo's ego said:
Sticking two fingers at opposition players happens at every team sporting event in the world, it’s not a crime. High profile athletes putting their hands on an annoying kid is a different issue.
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He didn't put his hand on an annoying kid he hit his phone, and why was this phone just in front of him as he was going off the pitch??
Wa their an ulterior motive?
And I'd like to see some peoples reactions after having the two fingers stuck inches away from their eyes.

sukhy said:
What the hell
OK, just try and think logically here, is it OK to smash a childs hand and break their phone?
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Melodramatic.
It may not even have broke after all.

Where is Eric when you need him? :D
 
moses said:
Firstly because it's a fact and secondly because it amplifies the disparity in the power dynamic and shows what can happen when grown up professional athletes lash out indiscriminately at a crowd of people. Any journalist aware of this point but leaves it out is not doing their job.
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So why they also don't mention how intrusive the kid's behaviour was? That is also a fact and far more relevant.
 
georgipep said:
So why they also don't mention how intrusive the kid's behaviour was? That is also a fact and far more relevant.
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A kid doing the two fingers up at rival player? Omg how is he still running loose. Someone arrest him quick.
 
georgipep said:
So why they also don't mention how intrusive the kid's behaviour was? That is also a fact and far more relevant.
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Because every weekend tens of thousands of people do this all across Europe. Until now nobody gave a toss. Far fewer multi millionaire sportspeople have assaulted kids. I take it you're not a newspaper editor.
 
What's with you silly brits flipping people of with 2 fingers anyway? Are you all somehow incapable of raising a middlefinger with the index going up too as a sort of spasm?
 
moses said:
Because every weekend tens of thousands of people do this all across Europe. Until now nobody gave a toss. Far fewer multi millionaire sportspeople have assaulted kids. I take it you're not a newspaper editor.
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No, and I know what's the job of an editor because I've been one, but I also don't like what the media are doing, thus I no longer am one
 
georgipep said:
No, and I know what's the job of an editor because I've been one, but I also don't like what the media are doing, thus I no longer am one
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So you know exactly why the story is framed as it is. Why do you feign ignorance by asking?
 
Is there actually any evidence that he was abusing Ronaldo in any way? ( Vocally or showing him a finger or 2 fingers etc)

Or is everyone here just repeating that endlessly based on their own assumptions due to the behavior of those around him?
 
RacingClub said:
Is there actually any evidence that he was abusing Ronaldo in any way? ( Vocally or showing him a finger or 2 fingers etc)

Or is everyone here just repeating that endlessly based on their own assumptions due to the behavior of those around him?
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Nobody is saying he was abusing Ronaldo. They're just "whattabouting" because they know that Ronaldo was a dick to slap that kid's hand.
 
moses said:
You implied his behaviour was somehow what warranted him getting a broken phone and bruised hand.
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No, I implied this should've been reported, as it is a fact. You stated that the kid being autistic is OK to be framed in the headline because it was a fact, regardless how irrelevant that is.
 
georgipep said:
Because you defend it and I wonder if you agree with it or just accept it.
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If you read the thread you know where I stand on crowd abusing people.

But to retrospectively be shocked by fan behaviour in defence of a 37 year old man being a twat is disingenuous at best.

Again, I'm not defending it but that's how the media we consume works, it's not just because it's Ronaldo.
 
georgipep said:
No, I implied this should've been reported, as it is a fact. You stated that the kid being autistic is OK to be framed in the headline because it was a fact, regardless how irrelevant that is.
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It is relevant to the damage you can do by indiscrimately lashing out at a crowd?

Or are you suggesting he actually targeted a kid?
 
moses said:
If you read the thread you know where I stand on crowd abusing people.

But to retrospectively be shocked by fan behaviour in defence of a 37 year old man being a twat is disingenuous at best.

Again, I'm not defending it but that's how the media we consume works, it's not just because it's Ronaldo.
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I am neither shocked nor wishing for the kid to be punished. I'm, however, against media creating a false narrative, using completely irrelevant arguments just to spark outrage and cash in on the clickbait
 
moses said:
It is relevant to the damage you can do by indiscrimately lashing out at a crowd?

Or are you suggesting he actually targeted a kid?
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It is irrelevant that the kid is autistic. Neither Ronaldo knew about it, nor did it change anything from moral perspective.

The only reason it is added to the story is to spark outrage. And that is just shitty journalism and being stupid to take the bait
 
Relevated said:
Not long ago it was neurodiversity week, a week where we're encouraged to accept people, for example with autism, as completely fine and just like any other member of society who doesnt have autism.

So how comes its being mentioned he has autism so many times? Why is society so contradictory?
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I haven't lived on this thread, but I've not actually seen whether this kid was the kid on the other camera display heard abusing all our players as they came off.
If he's totally innocent, then it's even more unfortunate an incident then it already looked.

But if he was the abuser, then being autistic, shouldn't be used as some total get out clause, like some are using it as.
The autistic spectrum is far and wide, and many highly functioning and successful people are on the spectrum. And they're not excused all bad behaviour because of it.
 
KirkDuyt said:
What's with you silly brits flipping people of with 2 fingers anyway? Are you all somehow incapable of raising a middlefinger with the index going up too as a sort of spasm?
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There’s history around the reason why. It predates the middle finger salute by all accounts and is the OG of feck off salutes tbh.

A commonly repeated legend claims that the two-fingered salute or V sign derives from a gesture made by longbowmen fighting in the English army at the Battle of Agincourt (1415) during the Hundred Years' War, but no written historical primary sources support this contention.[27] This origin legend states that English archers believed that those who were captured by the French had their index and middle fingers cut off so that they could no longer operate their longbows, and that the V sign was used by uncaptured and victorious archers in a display of defiance against the French.
 
georgipep said:
I am neither shocked nor wishing for the kid to be punished. I'm, however, against media creating a false narrative, using completely irrelevant arguments just to spark outrage and cash in on the clickbait
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So what's false about the narrative?

And you still think that pointing out that the recipient of a violent outburst being an autistic child is irrelevant as to why lashing out indiscriminately is wrong?
 
georgipep said:
It is irrelevant that the kid is autistic. Neither Ronaldo knew about it, nor did it change anything from moral perspective.

The only reason it is added to the story is to spark outrage. And that is just shitty journalism and being stupid to take the bait
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The actual key part that I've not actually heard about, is was this kid actually abusing Ronaldo himself, or did he get caught up in it as the innocent party?
 
georgipep said:
It is irrelevant that the kid is autistic. Neither Ronaldo knew about it, nor did it change anything from moral perspective.

The only reason it is added to the story is to spark outrage. And that is just shitty journalism and being stupid to take the bait
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In a world of shitty journalism it's odd to be so put out by a fact.

Is it relevant he is a kid? If so why?
 
KirkDuyt said:
What's with you silly brits flipping people of with 2 fingers anyway? Are you all somehow incapable of raising a middlefinger with the index going up too as a sort of spasm?
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We had a work game of footy once, against a local company.
I still find it hilarious that my manager of the time scored against them with a tap in, and then ran up to one of their players, did a 2 fingers gesture for a bit shouting "fck off mate", and then ran off.

I can't decide which was the funnier bit. The gesture, the swears with "mate" or the quick sprint off after :lol:
 
moses said:
So what's false about the narrative?

And you still think that pointing out that the recipient of a violent outburst being an autistic child is irrelevant as to why lashing out indiscriminately is wrong?
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Yes, I do think that is irrelevant.

Alternatively, if the media is interested in stating ALL the facts, they should've stated all the arguments how kid was a prick.
 
Sandikan said:
The actual key part that I've not actually heard about, is was this kid actually abusing Ronaldo himself, or did he get caught up in it as the innocent party?
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Let's say he was. Like lots of tossers do, all the time. For me it changes nothing. Unless Ronaldo said that it was the straw that broke the camels back and after 20 years of random abuse I lashed out. I'd applaud this but he's not saying this. Only blinded groupies are taking this stance. Ronaldo just said he was wrong and tried his best to apologise
 
moses said:
In a world of shitty journalism it's odd to be so put out by a fact.

Is it relevant he is a kid? If so why?
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I don't think anyone will benefit from this discussion, not even the two of us, so we might as well agree to disagree.

I'm also very careful with my media consumption, especially when it comes to sources, relevance and legitimacy of information. But that's neither here, nor there.
 
georgipep said:
Yes, I do think that is irrelevant.

Alternatively, if the media is interested in stating ALL the facts, they should've stated all the arguments how kid was a prick.
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The autistic kid whose behaviour you don't actually know about slapped by an adult athlete is now a prick according to you. Excellent.
 
Sandikan said:
The actual key part that I've not actually heard about, is was this kid actually abusing Ronaldo himself, or did he get caught up in it as the innocent party?
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I don't know. Obviously the mother wouldn't mention that in her desperate appeal for the world to sympathize with her son's mistreatment.
 
moses said:
Let's say he was. Like lots of tossers do, all the time. For me it changes nothing. Unless Ronaldo said that it was the straw that broke the camels back and after 20 years of random abuse I lashed out. I'd applaud this but he's not saying this. Only blinded groupies are taking this stance. Ronaldo just said he was wrong and tried his best to apologise
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That's it. These players have incredible tolerance, but will occasionally lash out, and that's what he's done. Unfortunate if he didn't realise it was technically a kid and a bit handicapped etc, as those bits don't half make it sound worse.

None of us are perfect. I suggested an owner would be lucky not to have their rabid dog punted into a canal a few weeks ago when it was monstering me.
But after I cooled down I realised it was slightly unnecessary :)
 
georgipep said:
I don't know. Obviously the mother wouldn't mention that in her desperate appeal for the world to sympathize with her son's mistreatment.
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I assume you saw the bruising photos?
Those would take hours to heal!
 
TheReligion said:
There’s history around the reason why. It predates the middle finger salute by all accounts and is the OG of feck off salutes tbh.

A commonly repeated legend claims that the two-fingered salute or V sign derives from a gesture made by longbowmen fighting in the English army at the Battle of Agincourt (1415) during the Hundred Years' War, but no written historical primary sources support this contention.[27] This origin legend states that English archers believed that those who were captured by the French had their index and middle fingers cut off so that they could no longer operate their longbows, and that the V sign was used by uncaptured and victorious archers in a display of defiance against the French.
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Ah right, I knew this actually. Think a cafite lecture me on this already at some point :wenger:
 
georgipep said:
I'm also very careful with my media consumption, especially when it comes to sources, relevance and legitimacy of information. But that's neither here, nor there.
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But you've decided the kid is a prick and the mother a gold digger. I'd like your sources on those conclusions.
 
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