It just sounded like you were disagreeing that he's a better dribbler than Ronaldinho, no? By "mastered" I thought you were sort of saying that he's progressed it throughout his career when it's actually been there since he was 16, he was just as good as dribbling back then, just not as strong.
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It just sounded like you were disagreeing that he's a better dribbler than Ronaldinho, no? By "mastered" I thought you were sort of saying that he's progressed it throughout his career when it's actually been there since he was 16, he was just as good as dribbling back then, just not as strong.
Nah, he luckily flicked it over someone and just jinked past a few people and fell. Even if he'd scored it, Zlatan's goal for Ajax was 10 times better.
No, Messi is the better player and better dribbler. Ronaldinho had more skill and flair and was infinitely more exciting to watch. If you'd give me a choice of who I'd rather have in a United team, Ronaldinho at his peak, or Messi, now, it would be Ronaldinho all day long.
Messi is the epitome of the modern footballer, with his focus, ability and consistency, Ronaldinho is the epitome of the beautiful game.
I'd take Messi and his 80 goals a season all day long, thank you very much.
I think Ronaldinho's massive smile enhances his reputation somewhat. As weird as that may sound but the joy he seems to get from Football and the way he went about it was just beautiful to see. Flair and imagination, Messi's the better player undoubtedly.
Lovely, but its nothing to do with what's being asked, your opinion then is that Messi in terms of dribbling is more exciting? You would rather watch Messi go past people, than Ronaldinho? Nocondescension intended... genuinely asking.
If we had gotten Ronaldinho and Ronaldo in the same summer, good lord.
And I like Batman.
Well that's the difference between you and me, I watch football for the love of the game, not the stats. We've won European cups and leagues without anyone scoring 80 goals a season, so that I can do without. I'd have much rather have watched in awe as Ronaldinho entertained as well as won games.
No one's questioning Messi being the better player. The Don believes Ronaldinho was the more exciting player to watch and the more entertaining dribbler and I cant understand how someone can disagree with that. Messi is brilliantly effective and a superb dribbler but his dribbling is nowhere as entertaining as Ronaldinho's.
This post does indicate that you think Messi's dribbling is "nothing compared to Ronaldinho", which is obviously untrue.
I find myself agreeing with everything Brwned has said so far, and I'm a huge fan of Ronaldinho!
Don't be so fecking condescending Don. I preferred watching Ronaldinho at his best too, it doesn't mean I'd take him over arguably the best player ever at our football club!
Don't worry, a lot of people do that. It just so happens that this one time, he's wrong.
What are you talking about you numpty? It was in response to Don's post right above that, DIRECTLY.
Messi is undoubtedly the more efficient dribbler but Ronaldinhos style would leave defenders looking stupid and embarrassed. Certainly funnier to watch but Messi is obviously the better.
Messi is the better player but I can understand those who prefer to watch Ronaldinho. The step-overs, flicks and tricks make him exciting to watch, Messi can run rings around a team all day but he doesn't have the same flair as Ronaldinho.
More effective dribbler, perhaps so. Better dribbler to watch? Nope, not even close.
Naah, it would have been a good goal but that's an exaggeration.
To be fair, at least he unlike some others (Not yourself) provides real reasons and tries to talk about it...
My only qualm to what Brwnd was saying here:
It's true, Messi did have the ability, but didn't replicate it half as often for me, hence making Ronaldinho the more entertaining footballer, perhaps a better question would be does Messi sacrifice flair and tricks for sake of being so consistent?
I wasn't trying to be condescending. I'm stating what I believe is the difference in our opinion. There are quite a few players I'd have rather had at OT over Messi, whether he's considered the best player of all time, or not. I'm not fussed about players being given titles like that. I want my team to win games and I want to be entertained. There are players like Zidane, Ronaldo, Ronaldinho, who for me, would have entertained me much more as well as won us stuff.
Indeed you was, I do believe I was meant to quote another referring to Messi being better than Ronaldinho, apologies.
I actually think that if Messi was less consistently awe inspiring then he would be considered more fondly, people seem to be immune to his magic these days.
I find Messi incredibly entertaining to watch when he's at his best.
Ok, but he's a better dribbler.
This is better than Messi's dribble vs. Zaragoza IMO. I think their styles of dribbling are different, Messi uses close control more and Ronaldinho manipulates the space more, from a purist's view Messi's is brilliant however I prefer Ronaldinho's unpredictability.
Yup good point, he can score a hat-trick every other weekend and nobody blinks and eye these days, its almost standard.
I'd argue that people like CR/ Messi have actually spent time trying to stop the tricks as much for ways that are more consistent, I.e. ROnaldo doing stepovers is a thing of the past, as entertaining as it was, he dropped it to become more consistent.
Ronaldinho for me, is the complete opposite, he loves to show it off..... I think that is what blinds people.
And no-one's said there's anything wrong with thinking Ronaldinho is the more entertaining player. I agree. I just think it's far from guaranteed that he's a more talented player than Messi (and others). If people think flair and skill are the ultimate measure of a player's talent then people would be blown away by futsal and pro street footballers.
Anyway, Ronaldo > Ronaldinho!
A lot of the posts here read as though Messi is some sort of anti-football player designed to put the ball in the net and nothing else. Messi is possibly the most exciting player to watch ever. I love Ronaldinho as a player, one of my favourites ever behind Zidane, but I'd always sacrifice his exciting play for the amazing level of consistency Messi gives if I were to take one at United. Its Messi ffs, there are few more exciting players to have ever played the game.
People are taking Ronaldinho's best form and putting it up against Messi when on average form (for him)
I can't post a sound, so you'll have to imagine this sound, imagine me making the loudest wettest fart noise, with my mouth, the loudest, longest and wettest you've ever heard and that won't even come close to conveying my sentiment. Messi more exciting to watch than Ronaldinho?
Do yourself a favour and open your eyes next time you watch football.
Depends on what you mean by better I suppose. Both beat their men with ease and regularity but have totally different styles in how they do it.
Contradictions there BD. Absolutely fair to say Messi's the better player as his consistency is just on another level but who do you think is the more exciting is a different question.
Depends. I'd lean towards Ronaldinho as the more talented because I prefer his unpredictability and simply the stunning things he did with the ball but yeah, there's not much in it as Messi is great to watch too even if not as exciting and his dribbling is a talent in itself.
I knew you'd say that.
But preferring Ronaldinho's unpredictability doesn't, in any way, mean he's more talented. Messi's natural talent is out of this world, you may not like his style or prefer Ronaldinho's but that has feck all to do with sheer talent, of which Messi has more than any currently active player.
Would have been surprised if you didnt as it came out of nowhere.
I didnt say that made him undeniably more talented, I said I'd lean towards him being more talented because of my preferences in terms of style. But, I dont see how anyone can see Ronaldinho at his best was any less talented anyways. Specially when you talk about natural talent. The lad had bucketloads of it. Did things with the ball in matches others wouldnt even think of attempting. Scored fantastic goals, jaw dropping ones. How's that not being as talented?
Not as consistent as Messi and definitely the lesser player but in terms of talent, very similar if not more talented.
Getting the best out of your ability consistently, is a talent.
What is this talent?
Oh, a vague term that can't be quantified, that gives people room to pull opinions out their backside
Oh, a vague term that can't be quantified, that gives people room to pull opinions out their backside
Since when were you so condescending? I went overboard in the first part of what I said, I didn't mean to be so hyperbolic(is that a word?). Plus, I never actually said Messi is more exciting than Ronaldinho. For what its worth, Ronaldinho is a more exciting player than Messi in terms of flair and flicks. What I was saying is that the gap in levels of excitement isn't big enough for me to want Ronaldinho in my team ahead of Messi. And its nothing about preferring stats over style or anything. You seem to think you are a bigger fan of 'football' for preferring Ronaldinho, which is idiotic since the other player we are discussing is Messi ffs.
I honestly do not know what The Don is looking for. You mean dribbling past the entire Real Madrid defence, a Mourinho coached defence, repeatedly, and on separate El Clasicos is not something extraordinary? There was time when he could make Real Madrid look like a bunch of Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime whenever he felt like it.
Ridiculous assist. As good as anything Ronaldinho has produced. And the fact that he does this on a regular basis is just insane.
Just look at the quality of all the assists. Its unreal.
People like to talk about the famous Toe-poke goal, this is just as good IMO:
In literally no space at all, that much power and accuracy.
Ridiculous assist. As good as anything Ronaldinho has produced. And the fact that he does this on a regular basis is just insane.
Just look at the quality of all the assists. Its unreal.
People like to talk about the famous Toe-poke goal, this is just as good IMO:
In literally no space at all, that much power and accuracy.