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Romelu Lukaku vs Alvaro Morata 2017/18
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Being honest, I do think United have backed the wrong horse here, but obviously I hope I'm wrong. I don't generally moan about transfer stuff, either.
Chelsea being in champions league again will affect how well they perform in the league. I think Lukaku will hit the ground running and Morata will be inconsistent.
Therefore i guess Lukaku to score 27 league goals and Morata to score 18.
Therefore i guess Lukaku to score 27 league goals and Morata to score 18.
Thanks pexbo
Morata is the better overall player in my book but Lukaku is better suited to Mourinho's side. I'd pick Lukaku for us but Morata if I was building a side from scratch.
I seem to remember not that many wanted Morata when we were first linked, lots of complaints about the insane price for Madrid's backup striker and listing his scoring record at Juve. It was just over the month we were "getting closer and closer" to signing him that more and more people came round to the idea.
And now that he's moving to another PL team, the "grass is always greener" guys are jumping on the Morata train as well.
Hopefully this isn't one of those threads like 'Di Maria vs Sanchez', but I have that feeling it will be.
Lukaku to score more goals, Morata to have more goals+assists.
Yes it will be the same discussions repeated every time one of them scores and the other doesn't, especially if it happens in a week that one of clubs wins and the other loses/draws.
I wanted Morata but had apprehensions about certain things but overall hopeful it can work for us. Same with Lukaku. It isn't clear cut at all. It's annoying that he is going to Chelsea though. The fact that this also somewhat opens the door for Mbappe to move is a bummer as well. (However little chance we ever had to land him in the future)
I think Morata will prove to be the better signing in the long term but in terms of this season I'd back Lukaku to outscore him. Given our goalscoring struggles last year, I'm happy with that trade off.
@RedRom will eat him alive.
Morata is a better footballer but Lukaku will probably end up scoring more goals.
Morata won't be at Chelsea in two years. This gives them breathing room since there aren't many on the market this summer.
I think Morata is better but Lukaku will score more goals. Not much between them though. I just think Morata is probably a wee bit better with the ball which I personally prefer. Both are quality.
Lukaku will score 10. Any thing more is a bonus. I fully expect Morata to get 50 given his pedigree.
Agreed. Im also sure that Morata snubbed us and Lukaku was tempted only by money we offered.
Chelsea have better players then we do so this comparision is a bit unfair
Not sure how much credence people give Ted Knutson and his radars, but this is what they look like for their 2016/17 seasons. Obviously massive caveats have to apply given the respective quality of the teams around them, but the stark difference in passing ability stands out as something Lukaku needs to improve on hugely if you ask me. I'd still probably argue that Lukaku has the higher ceiling just due to how physically dominant he can be, but technically Morata is comfortably the better player at the moment.
"Morata is a better footballer but..."
Repeat something enough and it may become true.
Repeat something enough and it may become true.
IIRC pass completion also includes headers, so obviously it would be on the lower side for Lukaku. For example Lukaku 136 headers vs 23 for Morata, so no one knows whether the header won was completed pass or misplaced pass.
Lukaku create more chances and completes more dribbles per game, also wins more aerial duels.
I could have sworn they separate them out into aerial duels but perhaps I'm wrong; if so that would go some way towards explaining the discrepancy.
There are definitely advantages for Lukaku as well; there's absolutely not a clear cut winner or loser here. They're very different stylistically, and much will be down to the respective managers to get the most out of them.
He can control a football. That much is true.
They include headed passes, flick ons, lay offs.
http://optasports.com/news-area/blog-optas-event-definitions.aspx
http://www.squawka.com/football-stats-definitions
Lukaku will score over 30 in the season Morata will be around 20.
With the way this all panned out I guess some United and Chelsea fans will be backtracking on their opinions.
In June a Chelsea fan took the trouble to make this:
In June a Chelsea fan took the trouble to make this:
Gotcha, thanks for the info! Wonder what the numbers would look like only including passes played with feet; that would be much more informative. Seems Lukaku is probably being penalized for contesting headers...
Morata costing £5m less is nothing. We'll see who's better, I think Lukaku will score more for us but Morata will contribute more to that Chelsea side.
Morata has always looked a better player, where as Lukaku has proven to have been a better goal scorer so far BUT Morata will finally get a chance to prove himself as the main man. Lukaku is prem proven, Morata still has to prove he can adapt which I think he will but think we signed more of the "sure thing", but they perhaps got a player with a higher ceiling and better overall contribution.
My predictions are that Lukaku will be second in the golden boot again (again behind Kane) with 26 league goals and he will get around 35 in all competitions which will be a great return. Morata I think will be around 20 league goals and around 28 in all competitions. Both teams will be happy with both guys and we won't rue missing out on Morata and they won't rue missing out on Lukaku.
My predictions are that Lukaku will be second in the golden boot again (again behind Kane) with 26 league goals and he will get around 35 in all competitions which will be a great return. Morata I think will be around 20 league goals and around 28 in all competitions. Both teams will be happy with both guys and we won't rue missing out on Morata and they won't rue missing out on Lukaku.
Yeah, that's very hard to get. Not sure where either.
Is this the new Herrera vs Kante thread? I'm camping here once the season starts 
Redcafe seems to hype Morata too much. I follow r/soccer on Reddit and most people think Lukaku is the clear better choice. One is a proven PL striker, who has scored loads for an average team. The other guy plays for Real Madrid with the likes of Ronaldo,Kroos, James ,Isco supplying him. The fact that even Chelsea wanted Lukaku speaks volumes. I think Morata is a good player, who is technically better than Lukaku. Just can't see him score as many goals or have as much impact in general as Lukaku. He'll need time to adjust to the PL too. Both are good young strikers who are yet to enter their prime, but if given a choice, there'd be a clear winner for me.Morata is not worth £70m, simple as that. Although he would definitely suit Chelsea and Conte more, just like Lukaku fits Jose and United more.
I'm sure those graphics are massively influenced by the team strikers play for. In a team as dominant as Real all their attacking players will have incredible stats because they're so much more involved than players at lesser teams.
Is it just me who finds the whole something v something threads very unnecessary and childish?
Morata will prove to be by far the better signing. As soon as we signed Lukaka for the pathetic price we paid, we pretty much signed Morata for Chelsea.
I'd go as far as saying I'll start a poll around January time to see who has the better player and, barring any major injuries, I'd say Morata will win the poll.
I'd go as far as saying I'll start a poll around January time to see who has the better player and, barring any major injuries, I'd say Morata will win the poll.
As well as standard of the league.
Plus they rarely end well! Such gems include Welbeck v Sturridge, Januzaj v Sterling and Depay v Firmino (bit of a theme there
).For someone who truly knows very little about Morata- does Morata have either the physicality to make it in the PL or otherwise the speed to make up for a lack thereof? I keep hearing about his technical abilities supposedly being well ahead of Lukaku but RvP was arguably one of the most technically gifted strikers we have ever seen but clearly benefited from an increase in sheer strength in getting himself to that higher level. (the brawn he always had it seems)
Lukaku will score more, but Morata will be regarded as the better striker, because of his superior all round game.
Yeah absolutely. As @roonster09 also pointed out, Lukaku also goes for more headed passes as well, which is a higher degree of difficulty that will depress his stats and further complicate the comparison. I'd probably totally discount the touches in the box stat, since teams would sit so deep vs Madrid as opposed to Everton, for instance.
Sorry if I came across as a WUM or anything, just thought it was an interesting comparison. I wouldn't have thought that Lukaku completed more dribbles between the two, for instance. Shows how well he can leverage his body-if he gets his shoulder past any CB he's just about impossible to stop without fouling.
Yeah Morata is 6'2" and quite rapid.