Romelu Lukaku | United confirm deal subject to medical and personal terms

How do you feel about the imminent signing of Romelu Lukaku?

  • Muppetastic!

    Votes: 456 20.6%
  • Happy enough

    Votes: 1,222 55.2%
  • Ambivalent

    Votes: 370 16.7%
  • Disappointed

    Votes: 112 5.1%
  • Oh please god no!

    Votes: 54 2.4%

  • Total voters
    2,214
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This could probably be a new thread but we could have zero English players in our main XI next season.


Lukaku
Mhky - Pogba - Mata
Herrera - NewDM
Rojo - Bialy - Lindoff - Valencia
DDG
A bit much asking for two CBs more.
 
Nope, it isn't like that at all.

This is why I said 'a number of factors' go into this stuff. I obviously need to elaborate, but one of the key factors that has gone into determining Lukaku's price, in addition to just Everton's reluctance to sell, is the fact that he's a proven consistent goalscorer. Which is far from the equivalent to a Toyota. The fact that he scores 20+ goals a season is a factor in determining his market value. The fact that he's just 23 is another factor.

Isco' value, in any reasonable market, is immediately diminished by the fact Real want rid of him. There are even two different prices for a Bentley that a man is keen to sell and one that he isn't, to use your own analogy.

Anthony Martial is a young player with huge potential. I can only imagine the difference between whatever price we would have quoted a buyer after his first season, and one we would quote now if we started putting feelers out into the market that he was available because Jose has decided to get rid.

Out of curiosity, every single factor considered, how much do you think Everton should ask any prospective buyer for their star striker? £30m £40m. In the interest of being 'fair' to the buyer.
You're bang on mate, add factors such as they know we are in serious need so demand is high, they know we are loaded and they know a rival team is also interested.

A few month back I posted sayin I give up on being too hung up on transfer fees now, the money for TV deals and sponship is so huge now that it's hard to buy that 30 mil player any more for less than 50.

If he bangs in the goals and moves us up the league then it's money well spent
 
I really don't give a feck if he's a "fantastic footballer" or "technically gifted" I want him to put the ball in the back of the net shit loads of times.

Ruud Van Nistelrooy was never the most technically gifted player, he very rarely dribbled, and didn't have blinding pace. But I can't think of a striker of the past 20 years that I'd rather have leading our line at the moment.

The guy was a fecking assassin in front of goal. If Lukaku can come close to that then we should all be excited.
 
I really don't give a feck if he's a "fantastic footballer" or "technically gifted" I want him to put the ball in the back of the net shit loads of times.

Ruud Van Nistelrooy was never the most technically gifted player, he very rarely dribbled, and didn't have blinding pace. But I can't think of a striker of the past 20 years that I'd rather have leading our line at the moment.

The guy was a fecking assassin in front of goal. If Lukaku can come close to that then we should all be excited.

Nonsense, he was exceptional technically.
 
DDG

Valencia
Bailly
Lindelof
Shaw

Fabinho
Herrera
Pogba

Mkhitaryan
Lukaku
Martial

Could be tasty
 
That's a fair point, mine was more about how his value would be determined. The post I responded to was someone saying 'despite preferring Morata, I feel paying more for Lukaku is more justified than doing so for Morata'.

My response was to explain why Lukaku would have a higher market value. And much as you may try, we are not comparing fecking Bentleys to Toyotas when discussing Morata and Lukaku, so the whole 'better' thing is highly subjective in this case, to the point where it should barely be a deciding factor in a price comparison. Both are much of a muchness almost.
And my point was that unless he is the better player, he shouldnt have a higher market value.

To me, Morata is the better player, and if he is available for less, then he should have been the choice made. Some feel that Lukaku is the better player, and in that case one can argue for him having a higher market value and associated transfer fee.

What I disagree with is the notion that Morata is the better player but Lukaku should have a higher value simply cos of the perspectives of Madrid and/or Everton.
 
Not convinced or excited, based on the two Everton games I watch a season. I could be convinced, however, by either of the following:
  • A YouTube video, max 5 minutes, showing some beast goals
  • A FIFA TOTS/TOTY card with 90 Pace & Strength

lmao:lol:

There are quite a few of your first request.

No idea about the second as I've switched to PES. He's quite good there!
 
Not convinced or excited, based on the two Everton games I watch a season. I could be convinced, however, by either of the following:
  • A YouTube video, max 5 minutes, showing some beast goals
  • A FIFA TOTS/TOTY card with 90 Pace & Strength
:lol::lol:
 



lmao:lol:

There are quite a few of your first request.

No idea about the second as I've switched to PES. He's quite good there!

Futhead Beast Rating: 94. Okay, I'm sold. Sign me up.

Final question: is that my summer muppetry concluded, or is there some more sweet, sweet transfer nectar to be had? £75m has to be this years Galácticos?
 
Yea, the exchange became a farce when you mentioned Cavani who rightly gets laughed at here for good reason. You might have as well gone with Giroud. Whatever system you're talking about is going to be the manager's system, you can't be just say stuff like 'Cavani will suit 'our' system more than Lukaku, well it's not your bloody system, the person who owns the system bought who suits his system, a good player who lots of people are happy with. Well except people like you who feel Cavani, of all fecking people, will suit Mourinho's system more. It really is a stupid argument so let's end it there

Did I ever use the word 'Mourinho system'? Yes, Mourinho may feel that way but it doesnt mean his vision is the sort of football we expect or should strive towards.

And I doubt you've seen Cavani play enough aside from a couple of CL matches a year. The Caf likes to give him shit because of the bad misses but you don't score that many in Serie A, played second fiddle for Ibra for years on the wing and posting the number he did by being a donkey. He's head and shoulder above Lukaku when it comes to facilitating space for his teammate and himself as well as short exchange in tight space, which is exactly the sort of player the more technically sound players like Mata, Herrera, Micky can thrive alongside in our team.

But hey, let's watch a whole season of our lead striker fecking up his first touch and putting unnecessary pressure on our midfield and defense, because he scores 20 PL goals and pretend it's brilliant.
 
DDG

Valencia
Bailly
Lindelof
Shaw

Fabinho
Herrera
Pogba

Mkhitaryan
Lukaku
Martial

Could be tasty

Still lacking in the same areas we were last season in my view (at least in terms of the attack). Not enough creativity from midfield, not enough goal threat from out wide, no reliable crosser/set-piece taker.
 
Futhead Beast Rating: 94. Okay, I'm sold. Sign me up.

Final question: is that my summer muppetry concluded, or is there some more sweet, sweet transfer nectar to be had? £75m has to be this years Galácticos?

I've got my tip out just in case of Fabinho.
 
And my point was that unless he is the better player, he shouldnt have a higher market value.

To me, Morata is the better player, and if he is available for less, then he should have been the choice made. Some feel that Lukaku is the better player, and in that case one can argue for him having a higher market value and associated transfer fee.

What I disagree with is the notion that Morata is the better player but Lukaku should have a higher value simply cos of the perspectives of Madrid and/or Everton.

Well then now you have clarified your point, I am back to disagreeing with you. Your first sentence shows no recognition of market forces at all. It basically suggests that a player's ability is the only factor that goes into determining his price.

Diego Costa is reportedly subject to a bid of 30m euros or so from Atletico the other day. They are not stupid, they know that isn't the going rate for his talent.
 
Still lacking in the same areas we were last season in my view (at least in terms of the attack). Not enough creativity from midfield, not enough goal threat from out wide, no reliable crosser/set-piece taker.
Does the window close if/when we sign Lukaku?
 
You still dont get it - i dont care how much Everton desires. They could want $1 billion for Barkley, but that does not mean we should agree with their valuation.

What I am interested in is which player gets me the best value for my money. If Everton wants 100m for Lukaku, what I should be focused on is if there is an alternative which is a better value e.g. a better player for same, or similar player for less. Whether Everton's valuation is reasonable or not is irrelevant. Yes I can use factors like his contract situation as leverage in negotiating but that should not change the primary measure of seeking the better value.

Like I said earlier, it is simply stupid to pay more for a lesser player

It's even more stupid to enter a new season without a proven goal scorer when you know last season, scoring goals was the main problem.

The fee is irrelevant as the club can afford 75mil and we need a striker like him.
He's not the best in the world and probably doesn't have that ceiling but he's a quality striker.
I don't see another option
 
Futhead Beast Rating: 94. Okay, I'm sold. Sign me up.

Final question: is that my summer muppetry concluded, or is there some more sweet, sweet transfer nectar to be had? £75m has to be this years Galácticos?

Wait till all the dust settles, Madrid come back crawling with much lower asking price and we finally get Morata and Chelsea pay over the odds for Lukaku.
 
Still lacking in the same areas we were last season in my view (at least in terms of the attack). Not enough creativity from midfield, not enough goal threat from out wide, no reliable crosser/set-piece taker.
I disagree. We created plenty of chances last season, taking them was the main problem. A Fabinho would give Pogba so much more freedom, same for Herrera while at least Valencia gives us width on the right side. And there is hope that Miki and Martial will have much better seasons
 
Futhead Beast Rating: 94. Okay, I'm sold. Sign me up.

Final question: is that my summer muppetry concluded, or is there some more sweet, sweet transfer nectar to be had? £75m has to be this years Galácticos?

You've got to think there's at least one more 50mil plus player to arrive.

Could you imagine if we nipped Sandro from Juve as well :devil:
 
Still lacking in the same areas we were last season in my view (at least in terms of the attack). Not enough creativity from midfield, not enough goal threat from out wide, no reliable crosser/set-piece taker.

I disagree personally. Our players are not frozen in last season's form. I see no reason why Mkhitaryan, for instance, would not create a shed load of goals for Lukaku. I see no reason why should now see Martial as a 5 goal a season wide man either. That team, if harvested, has enough.

Also, chance creation was not our main problem last season, conversion was.
 
And my point was that unless he is the better player, he shouldnt have a higher market value.

To me, Morata is the better player, and if he is available for less, then he should have been the choice made. Some feel that Lukaku is the better player, and in that case one can argue for him having a higher market value and associated transfer fee.

What I disagree with is the notion that Morata is the better player but Lukaku should have a higher value simply cos of the perspectives of Madrid and/or Everton.

That's like saying house x should only cost more than house Y if it's a nicer house. When in reality we know that's not how houses are valued. It's the same with players.
 
I disagree personally. Our players are not frozen in last season's form. I see no reason why Mkhitaryan, for instance, would not create a shed load of goals for Lukaku. I see no reason why should now see Martial as a 5 goal a season wide man either. That team, if harvested, has enough.

Also, chance creation was not our main problem last season, conversion was.
Totally agree
 
DDG

Valencia
Bailly
Lindelof
Shaw

Fabinho
Herrera
Pogba

Mkhitaryan
Lukaku
Martial

Could be tasty
Everything looks better as a FIFA lineup.
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It's even more stupid to enter a new season without a proven goal scorer when you know last season, scoring goals was the main problem.

The fee is irrelevant as the club can afford 75mil and we need a striker like him.
He's not the best in the world and probably doesn't have that ceiling but he's a quality striker.
I don't see another option

The fee is relevant because we are setting and consolidating our own market, clubs will hold us to those fees because they know that when we sit at the table, we are desperate to not leave empty handed. We are shopping addicts.
 
No official word from the club yet ? Call me crazy but I wouldn't be shocked if we wind up with both of them.
 
I like this signing. If you can buy a striker who can almost guarantee 20+ goals in the PL you should take it.

No matter how good Morata could have been, it was always a bigger risk.
 
That's like saying house x should only cost more than house Y if it's a nicer house. When reality we know that's not how houses are valued. It's the same with players.
I'm sorry, I don't follow the analogy. Does Lukaku have a higher standard of fixtures and fittings, or a large south facing garden? :confused:
 
[QUOTE="Garethw, post: 21146814, member: 15058"]I really don't give a feck if he's a "fantastic footballer" or "technically gifted" I want him to put the ball in the back of the net shit loads of times.
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This. What is the point if a player has no end product. And as I said earlier in this thread, it's not like lukaku doesn't know how to play football.
 
The fee is relevant because we are setting and consolidating our own market, clubs will hold us to those fees because they know that when we sit at the table, we are desperate to not leave empty handed. We are shopping addicts.

Think this feast other clubs are having at our expense is over soon.

If this signing and also Griez next summer goes through we'll have a pretty settled side.

We're set in defence, pretty set in midfield, set in attack bar the wings.

No more shopping from a position of desperation, we're finally getting closer to where signings will be cream on the top, and not dead set necessities.
 
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