A bit much asking for two CBs more.This could probably be a new thread but we could have zero English players in our main XI next season.
Lukaku
Mhky - Pogba - Mata
Herrera - NewDM
Rojo - Bialy - Lindoff - Valencia
DDG
A bit much asking for two CBs more.This could probably be a new thread but we could have zero English players in our main XI next season.
Lukaku
Mhky - Pogba - Mata
Herrera - NewDM
Rojo - Bialy - Lindoff - Valencia
DDG
You're bang on mate, add factors such as they know we are in serious need so demand is high, they know we are loaded and they know a rival team is also interested.Nope, it isn't like that at all.
This is why I said 'a number of factors' go into this stuff. I obviously need to elaborate, but one of the key factors that has gone into determining Lukaku's price, in addition to just Everton's reluctance to sell, is the fact that he's a proven consistent goalscorer. Which is far from the equivalent to a Toyota. The fact that he scores 20+ goals a season is a factor in determining his market value. The fact that he's just 23 is another factor.
Isco' value, in any reasonable market, is immediately diminished by the fact Real want rid of him. There are even two different prices for a Bentley that a man is keen to sell and one that he isn't, to use your own analogy.
Anthony Martial is a young player with huge potential. I can only imagine the difference between whatever price we would have quoted a buyer after his first season, and one we would quote now if we started putting feelers out into the market that he was available because Jose has decided to get rid.
Out of curiosity, every single factor considered, how much do you think Everton should ask any prospective buyer for their star striker? £30m £40m. In the interest of being 'fair' to the buyer.
But can they play football?Yes hence "utter dross"
I like the band.
I really don't give a feck if he's a "fantastic footballer" or "technically gifted" I want him to put the ball in the back of the net shit loads of times.
Ruud Van Nistelrooy was never the most technically gifted player, he very rarely dribbled, and didn't have blinding pace. But I can't think of a striker of the past 20 years that I'd rather have leading our line at the moment.
The guy was a fecking assassin in front of goal. If Lukaku can come close to that then we should all be excited.
It'll hopefully end the lets sign Defoe and welbeck and Hernandez threads haIf this goes through i will be delighted, especially as we have been linked to utter dross such as James all summer.
And my point was that unless he is the better player, he shouldnt have a higher market value.That's a fair point, mine was more about how his value would be determined. The post I responded to was someone saying 'despite preferring Morata, I feel paying more for Lukaku is more justified than doing so for Morata'.
My response was to explain why Lukaku would have a higher market value. And much as you may try, we are not comparing fecking Bentleys to Toyotas when discussing Morata and Lukaku, so the whole 'better' thing is highly subjective in this case, to the point where it should barely be a deciding factor in a price comparison. Both are much of a muchness almost.
Not convinced or excited, based on the two Everton games I watch a season. I could be convinced, however, by either of the following:
- A YouTube video, max 5 minutes, showing some beast goals
- A FIFA TOTS/TOTY card with 90 Pace & Strength
Rund was very good, yet underrated, on the ballNonsense, he was exceptional technically.
Not convinced or excited, based on the two Everton games I watch a season. I could be convinced, however, by either of the following:
- A YouTube video, max 5 minutes, showing some beast goals
- A FIFA TOTS/TOTY card with 90 Pace & Strength
lmao
There are quite a few of your first request.
No idea about the second as I've switched to PES. He's quite good there!
Yea, the exchange became a farce when you mentioned Cavani who rightly gets laughed at here for good reason. You might have as well gone with Giroud. Whatever system you're talking about is going to be the manager's system, you can't be just say stuff like 'Cavani will suit 'our' system more than Lukaku, well it's not your bloody system, the person who owns the system bought who suits his system, a good player who lots of people are happy with. Well except people like you who feel Cavani, of all fecking people, will suit Mourinho's system more. It really is a stupid argument so let's end it there
DDG
Valencia
Bailly
Lindelof
Shaw
Fabinho
Herrera
Pogba
Mkhitaryan
Lukaku
Martial
Could be tasty
Futhead Beast Rating: 94. Okay, I'm sold. Sign me up.
Final question: is that my summer muppetry concluded, or is there some more sweet, sweet transfer nectar to be had? £75m has to be this years Galácticos?
And my point was that unless he is the better player, he shouldnt have a higher market value.
To me, Morata is the better player, and if he is available for less, then he should have been the choice made. Some feel that Lukaku is the better player, and in that case one can argue for him having a higher market value and associated transfer fee.
What I disagree with is the notion that Morata is the better player but Lukaku should have a higher value simply cos of the perspectives of Madrid and/or Everton.
Does the window close if/when we sign Lukaku?Still lacking in the same areas we were last season in my view (at least in terms of the attack). Not enough creativity from midfield, not enough goal threat from out wide, no reliable crosser/set-piece taker.
You still dont get it - i dont care how much Everton desires. They could want $1 billion for Barkley, but that does not mean we should agree with their valuation.
What I am interested in is which player gets me the best value for my money. If Everton wants 100m for Lukaku, what I should be focused on is if there is an alternative which is a better value e.g. a better player for same, or similar player for less. Whether Everton's valuation is reasonable or not is irrelevant. Yes I can use factors like his contract situation as leverage in negotiating but that should not change the primary measure of seeking the better value.
Like I said earlier, it is simply stupid to pay more for a lesser player
Futhead Beast Rating: 94. Okay, I'm sold. Sign me up.
Final question: is that my summer muppetry concluded, or is there some more sweet, sweet transfer nectar to be had? £75m has to be this years Galácticos?
I disagree. We created plenty of chances last season, taking them was the main problem. A Fabinho would give Pogba so much more freedom, same for Herrera while at least Valencia gives us width on the right side. And there is hope that Miki and Martial will have much better seasonsStill lacking in the same areas we were last season in my view (at least in terms of the attack). Not enough creativity from midfield, not enough goal threat from out wide, no reliable crosser/set-piece taker.
Futhead Beast Rating: 94. Okay, I'm sold. Sign me up.
Final question: is that my summer muppetry concluded, or is there some more sweet, sweet transfer nectar to be had? £75m has to be this years Galácticos?
Still lacking in the same areas we were last season in my view (at least in terms of the attack). Not enough creativity from midfield, not enough goal threat from out wide, no reliable crosser/set-piece taker.
He looks a bit clumsy if that's the right word to describe him
And my point was that unless he is the better player, he shouldnt have a higher market value.
To me, Morata is the better player, and if he is available for less, then he should have been the choice made. Some feel that Lukaku is the better player, and in that case one can argue for him having a higher market value and associated transfer fee.
What I disagree with is the notion that Morata is the better player but Lukaku should have a higher value simply cos of the perspectives of Madrid and/or Everton.
Totally agreeI disagree personally. Our players are not frozen in last season's form. I see no reason why Mkhitaryan, for instance, would not create a shed load of goals for Lukaku. I see no reason why should now see Martial as a 5 goal a season wide man either. That team, if harvested, has enough.
Also, chance creation was not our main problem last season, conversion was.
Everything looks better as a FIFA lineup.DDG
Valencia
Bailly
Lindelof
Shaw
Fabinho
Herrera
Pogba
Mkhitaryan
Lukaku
Martial
Could be tasty
It's even more stupid to enter a new season without a proven goal scorer when you know last season, scoring goals was the main problem.
The fee is irrelevant as the club can afford 75mil and we need a striker like him.
He's not the best in the world and probably doesn't have that ceiling but he's a quality striker.
I don't see another option
I'm sorry, I don't follow the analogy. Does Lukaku have a higher standard of fixtures and fittings, or a large south facing garden?That's like saying house x should only cost more than house Y if it's a nicer house. When reality we know that's not how houses are valued. It's the same with players.
Everything looks better as a FIFA lineup.
The fee is relevant because we are setting and consolidating our own market, clubs will hold us to those fees because they know that when we sit at the table, we are desperate to not leave empty handed. We are shopping addicts.