It could be a wrong opinion, but that doesn't make it racist.
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- Appearances
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- Goals
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- Assists
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Hmm, Sky saying Lukaku's shot conversion rate this season is 22% versus 30% Morata, 26% Aguero and 10% Kane.
Lukaku created 10 chances (1 assist) v 6 (2), 14 (3), and 7 (0).
Top speed Lukaku 34.3km/h, versus 34.3, 33.1 and 33.3.
Rom only covers 9km a game v 10.3, 10 and 10.
Lukaku created 10 chances (1 assist) v 6 (2), 14 (3), and 7 (0).
Top speed Lukaku 34.3km/h, versus 34.3, 33.1 and 33.3.
Rom only covers 9km a game v 10.3, 10 and 10.
Interesting stats. Kane's conversion rate has been a bit poor. Lukaku has created more chances than expected. Aguero too.
Also Lukaku looks a bit static at times and it is reflected in the stats.
EDIT: I messed up Lukaku's top speed.
Odd one about Kane. I'd have him down as more clinical than Rom, but the stats don't bear that out, albeit we're only six games in.
Chances created is a bit hit and miss- Aguero flying with three assists, but if Rom creates 10 chances, but his teammates only convert 1, it's hardly his fault.
Depends what constitues a 'chance' I guess.
The distance covered stat doesn't tell the full story though. Last year as a team, we were at the bottom of the distance covered league. Mourinho's style of football doesn't involve high intensity pressing for large parts of the game. I wouldn't be surprised if every single one of our main players is lowest in the distance covered compared to their City, Chelsea, Spurs and Liverpool counterparts so far this season. Only exception I see is maybe Rashford.
Kane just had his usual 3-week holiday extension, I'm sure that stat will be back up in time
Interesting that he's created more chances for team mates than Morata despite 1 less assist.
Ground covered is a pretty useless stat as we've seen from United's low total overall, they benefit from having him as a more centralized focal point of the attack to build off anyway.
Interesting that he's created more chances for team mates than Morata despite 1 less assist.
Ground covered is a pretty useless stat as we've seen from United's low total overall, they benefit from having him as a more centralized focal point of the attack to build off anyway.
If your going to paraphrase me you shouldn't make stuff up. Not once did I say Lukaku is slow or has low intelligence. It's incredible how people overreact and over exaggerate because I give an opinion that I think Lukaku isn't a great as the forum is making out.
And the other guy inferred I think Morata is more intelligent because Lukaku is black, to even think that is abhorrent.
Expected to beat? The same way we were expected to beat all these team last season. It's like if he scores, he is sh*t and if he does not then also he is sh*t
My friend was arguing that Kane is world class but Lukaku isn't. I don't think either are but how is Kane even much better than him?
Lukaku has 1 more first team league goal in 3 less games. He also has 16 more international goals. Not saying Lukaku is better or worse but I don't know how he thinks Kane is a lot better.
Lukaku has 1 more first team league goal in 3 less games. He also has 16 more international goals. Not saying Lukaku is better or worse but I don't know how he thinks Kane is a lot better.
Because Kane is England so naturally he's better than a player who more than easily matches his goal scoring.
Kane is better. Lukaku has more international games because he's been playing international games for longer. Kane always starts slower and has scored more than Lukaku for the last few seasons.
I never understand how can someone define a player less intelligent or more intelligent. Like from what I have seen off Lukaku, there is nothing to suggest he has been playing like a dumb and similarly from watching Morata, I cannot see anything that makes him more intelligent than Lukaku. Lukaku would not have scored 8 goals with bad movement so what is this about intelligence.
The man has had a great start with us, seems to have a wonderful attitude and really wants to play for us and still some "fans" are giving him the stick on here because they wanted Morata? Feck me!
Oh.. you're on my side. I am saying the person who thought it was racist is being subconsciously racist.
Cant believe there's a post in here saying his finishing is average, if Lukakus finishing is average, there isn't a good finisher in Europe.
What I was getting at is that there is not much difference between them. And yeah Lukaku has played more international games because he started playing at a much younger age than Kane.
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I think Kane is slightly better than Morata who is slightly better than Lukaku, but we're talking minor differences.
To be perfectly honest this is a stereotype about black players I've read to death on this forum and others for years. I remember United fans saying Andy Cole was frustrating, missed tons of chances before he scored and relied a lot on his pace and power. It was also said that Ole was more intelligent on and off the ball. There was no basis for it IMO. It just seems to me that theres a preconceived notion that big black strikers are nothing but power and pace. I wonder if this @Jagga7 has even watched Morata enough outside Chelsea yo form these opinions which seem to come straight from some tabloid. Almost every person who preferred Morata says the same things
Can we NOT bring up race or accuse someone of racism just because of an opinion about intelligent play.
Read above. Those are my thoughts and I hope race is not the case but sometimes people repeat ideas without thinking them through
Where has this been said on here? Can you quote posts? Which other current black players is it unfairly said of?
Possibly. Bailly looked significantly better on first games with us, compared to when he was at Villareal. Then there was Rojo.
You might be right about his last season, as I didn't really follow him. Although in games against us, he didn't really impressed me in anything.
At early games, he was easily dispossessed by defenders when trying to control the ball. It could be fitness issue or not.
messed up the reply,..sorry
He's definitely better than Morata, I'm not sure whether he's better than Kane, it's very close.
You've got to ask, are these players in just six games adding skills they've never had before. Or are they just settling in and starting to produce their best? The latter seems much more likely.
Lukaku is doing what he did last season and the season before. It was for Everton though so gets slightly dismissed.
What I've seen is an improvement of Lukaku's ball control. Seems like you're saying that what he's capable right now, is his usual standard at Everton. Fair enough.
Well yea that's one of the areas that he needs to improve on. No excuse for it, but he makes up for that weakness more than enough. Still I expect Mourinho to demand that he improves his game when he's back facing the goal.
Fair enough. Presumably then Morata should have a much better record this season than Lukaku if you're right. As well as several other PL strikers. How many goals are you expecting from Lukaku this season, for example?
Wow, I just finally realised what having two opposing sides in a discussion does.. For the past few days everyone in here has been concurring and getting along all fine and dandy while we had only one page filled with different shades of the same post with no insightful contributions
Boom! @Jagga7 comes in with a different opinion and suddenly we get 3 pages in one day to move things along nicely and bring in some interesting stats and records that makes me go to forums in the first place.. Thanks @Jagga7, this thread needed you
Boom! @Jagga7 comes in with a different opinion and suddenly we get 3 pages in one day to move things along nicely and bring in some interesting stats and records that makes me go to forums in the first place.. Thanks @Jagga7, this thread needed you
Spot on from Carragher. Almost every performance this season - in which he has scored in all but one - is riddled with criticisms for no real reason. It's like you can't praise the man without mentioning the fact he can't do a pirouette and spin away from a CB or make the best one-two ever.
Last season his criticism was he scored in a bunch and not consistently, this season he scored in 7 out of 8 games which is a fantastic record and still we have people here moaning about something. Even more baffling he saying he isn't a good footballer when he clearly is. He looked comfortable on the ball and his link up play was good.
Delighted for the big man when he scores. He is proving his critics wrong.
Exactly, his link up and hold up play has been brilliant. He has really worked hard which is great to see.
Brilliant by Carragher.
I think with Lukaku there's a far more greater focus on what he can't do rather than what he can do.
Also I definetely underrated his work ethic and overall gameplay at Everton.
Also I definetely underrated his work ethic and overall gameplay at Everton.
And not only has he actually improved his ability on the ball like @roonster09 and @Silverman say, these are criticisms that people already knew of, and expected when he signed. Why are they constantly being peddled again? It's like sitting there criticising Chris Smalling every week for not being good on the ball.
Weird to bring pace into it when Lukaku is clearly faster.
They don't see the big picture. For example, one of the main factors that "Lukaku is not a big game players" is how Everton set up defensively or was dominated by big teams. Combined with the fact that his link up play is not his main strength, that clearly changed the whole context.
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He has a chance this season to further establish that he can do it in big games. I don't see why he can't. The likes of Arsenal, City and Liverpool play a very high line. That should work in his favor.
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