Did you read the post? I've pointed out two clear examples. If you want, i can name probably like 5-6. But it will be much easier for you to just youtube his Everton's goals, i am positive you'll find a lot of examples there.
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Of course I did otherwise why would I quote you ?
2 clear examples in how many goals he's scored again in total? He doesn't do that very often IMHO. He hasn't got the technique and soft touch to dribble past players and create goals on his own on a regular basis. Sure he did it a few times but he isn't that type of player so to wait for it is pointless.
No these are the ones i remember off the top of my head obviously.
Very often? No. But at least 1 per other 4 goals. I recommend you watch his Everton's goals compilation, it's easy to find.
You don't need any of that. Look at that City goal. Or against Burnley, his 86-th for Everton. Or against Spurs (80th goal). None of this goals were scored with soft touch etc, but all of them were created by him.
At least 1 per other 4 goals ? I love imaginary stats plucked out of nowhere in an argument to back up a point.
Well lets get real then. Lets take a look at his last 20 goals at Everton (67-87). Big enough sample i suppose. Now the goals i was referring to, i mean self-made goals, goals i expect him to score at United are these: 67 (City), 71 (Leicester), 75 (Bournemouth), 80 (Spurs), 86 (Burnley). That's 5 in 20 goals. Look at that. Exactly 1 in 5 goals as i was saying. Weird, right?
Now what is your factual basis for saying "he doesn't do that very often"?
Glad he's getting some praise. Agreed that he was really good last night - but let's not get carried away the question is does he have it in him to consistently show that level of hold up play week in week out.. we all know in beast mode he has these games were he can just look perfect and yesterday was one of those games. It's his bottom level which he needs to work on but yeah felt sorry for him yesterday.
1 in 5 and 1 in 4 are not the same thing at all, you do know that right ? Anyway whatever the number, it's not something that happens often, it's not something you should expect from him and specially not when we're playing differently, we have the ball more often than Everton and we end up facing teams that bark the bus much more often against us too. There are so many parameters that need to be taken into account, you're making it sound so fecking simple with you "why can't he score self made goals ?".
I thought he did very well against Leicester. Seems to have found a first touch, held the ball up well and created chances for others which should have decided the match. I wish he had one of Martial, Lingard or Mikis chances.
I missed most of this game due to the Holidays so I don't want to comment to much, and this isn't a criticism of his performance last night, but the only thing I will say is, he shouldn't need to be the one making the passes, he should be the one receiving them. We paid the huge transfer fee for him to bury these chances, not create them.
Again, not a criticism, more to do with the players around him if anything.
Again, not a criticism, more to do with the players around him if anything.
He can do both you know. The problem is that when he makes his runs or gets in good positions, no ones giving him the service. Im happy that he's contributing with assists or what should be assists instead of standing up front sulking because he's getting absolutly rubbish service, if any, from the players behind him atm.
I agree he can do both, but it's just the others around him who can't seem to do any
Mainly assisting him, they just don't do it.I think that was possibly his best performance for us, I have started the Christmas drinking and thought we were excellent yesterday so I may be a little foggy but I remember thinking he looked dangerous every time he got the ball and just wishing we got it to him more. Worked his socks off too.
Excellent yesterday. Only complaint was he failed to control the through ball by Lingard which would have him just the keeper to beat - so in a way, he also missed a similar chance to Rashford, Martial and Jese
That is stretching it
Woof woof.
There was also a chance against Bristol where he failed to control a ball over the top so missed out on a scoring opportunity.
His touch really is quite poor at times.
You mean the one Maguire got a touch on?
I really admire the way he doesn't give up and keeps going even when the chips are down... Shame many of our other players don't have the same mentality.
Comparisons to Drogba were always a bit unfair on Lukaku. He has some different strengths and weaknesses to Drogba as well as being a lot younger than Drogba was when he became an international name.
However yesterday he showed that he can add some things to his game that can make him a little bit more like Drogba. Drogba was fantastic at setting up teammates, often with headed passes or chest control and touches down, but occasionally with a pass. Lukaku yesterday was fantastic at playing passes to give his teammates chances to do something with the ball.
However yesterday he showed that he can add some things to his game that can make him a little bit more like Drogba. Drogba was fantastic at setting up teammates, often with headed passes or chest control and touches down, but occasionally with a pass. Lukaku yesterday was fantastic at playing passes to give his teammates chances to do something with the ball.
He created golden chance to Martial one on one, Lingard one on one, rash ford one on one, mkhi one on one. Shouldn't it be the other way round and lukaku receiving these chances. Sad how he has nothing created for him but he creates chances for.others.
Lukaku didn't even touch the ball. Why do people keep repeating this?
I wish we could set up balls for Lukaku like the way Chelsea sets up goals for Moratta(like the one he scored against us).
Because in real time it looked like a terribly heavy touch from Lukaku rather than from the Leicester player.
Agreed. He has alot of passion for the game and you can tell he has a burning desire to get the best out of himself.. which makes the lazy accusations seem barmy imo
Definitely. Needs to keep up the consistency of making those runs but others need to support him in actually giving him the ball. Even at a really late stage in the game he was busting a gut to get forward and Rashford just didn't even attempt to give him the ball.
"1 per other 4" means 1 out of 5. You should read properly.
"Not often" but regularly. If Lukaku scored 15 goals, 3 of them should have been self-made. On average.
I think it's dumb not to demand it from a 80-90m rated striker. Clearly any top striker in top should be able to do it. That does not mean he should do it in every game, or even every second game or anything. But the problem with Lukaku he does not do it at all right now.
I actually felt that yesterday was Lukaku's most mature performance to date.
He was basically orchestrating our attack.
Had we had better finishers than Lingard, Martial and Rashford, we'd have scored plenty.
Lukaku, IMO is a level above all our other attackers.
He was basically orchestrating our attack.
Had we had better finishers than Lingard, Martial and Rashford, we'd have scored plenty.
Lukaku, IMO is a level above all our other attackers.
Yes it was.
Like his price is supposed to impact on the kinda player he should be. It's even dumber to demand something like that regardless of his price, he didn't set it, our club deemed it right to get him. All he can do is prove his worth by getting goals the way he knows how to and so far he hasn't been bad at all.
My mistake - saw it again and the defender did deflect it. Lukaku's best game yesterday imo - on another day should have had a goal (Rashford non pass) and three assists.
As someone who's been growing in criticism recently, he was good and was let down by other's at Leicester.
He was actually really good. He has a great understanding with Lingard and Pogba and that'll help a lot going into the future.
What I find bemusing is the lack of crossing from our "wingers". The guy is a beast in the air, yet we rarely ever cross to him....?
What I find bemusing is the lack of crossing from our "wingers". The guy is a beast in the air, yet we rarely ever cross to him....?
I'd agree with most of what you're saying but in your scenario I think it's better to not assume he doesn't get the ball; Lukaku should make the obvious runs and demand the ball all the time.
Sure there have been times when he has done the basics and doesn't get anything but I still don't think he does enough off the ball. I'm sure it's tiring for him to see Martial, Rashford and Lingard give him plenty of 'no-chance' balls but there are many times he is simply ball watching.
We need a traditional no.9 who runs the channels and dominates the penalty box for our other players but his skillset and instincts don't really match that at this moment.
Basically it's frustrating for all lol.
So he's been with us for half a season: first time he has played as top man at an elite club, playing under a new manager coaches and tactics, in front of huge crowds and with new colleagues.
All things considered, I think he's had a very good start to his Manchester United career and compares very favourably to 1st half season for other high profile striker signings like Cole, Saha, Tevez or Berbatov, especially in terms of goals and assists. It could have been better which would have led to an outstanding start, but it could also have been alot worse.
He is still improving certain technical skills of his game, and I imagine Mourinho will recruit future players and tactics around his game so I expect a significant improvement to his contributions, tangible as well as towards other player's effectiveness.
I expect that this time next year we will be talking a consistent world class striker.
All things considered, I think he's had a very good start to his Manchester United career and compares very favourably to 1st half season for other high profile striker signings like Cole, Saha, Tevez or Berbatov, especially in terms of goals and assists. It could have been better which would have led to an outstanding start, but it could also have been alot worse.
He is still improving certain technical skills of his game, and I imagine Mourinho will recruit future players and tactics around his game so I expect a significant improvement to his contributions, tangible as well as towards other player's effectiveness.
I expect that this time next year we will be talking a consistent world class striker.
Probably not under Mourinho, I think he'd shine under attacking minded coach, he would continue scoring goal consistently that can be classified as a world-class striker. Anybody remember that in his few first games, United always attack, he scores a goal consistent and is top goalscorer by 2 goals away until Liverpool games then United decided to park the bus and went many games without Pogba and Mkik off form. Lukaku gets more isolated when United is not dominant, he has to be more critical when he gets chance to score.
Lukaku has best ratio accuracy in Ariel as a striker in the league, he'd have to dominate Ariel easily and could score plenty of header goal if we had wing/fullback that can cross with high accuracy rate, this is one of the reasons why we went out for Perisic.
Brilliant passes yesterday showing there is more to his game than strength.
Next evolution should be improving the consistency of his first touch.
Also can't help but think an Ozil or Mahrez would get him more service. I mean at this point the only real service he gets in the box is crossing from young.
Next evolution should be improving the consistency of his first touch.
Also can't help but think an Ozil or Mahrez would get him more service. I mean at this point the only real service he gets in the box is crossing from young.
We have wingers who can't cross properly to save their lives let alone cross to Rom.
You really need to read the post properly. First you mistakenly claim that Lukaku did not do that and can't. Then you mistake "1 and 4 others" with 1-in-4, now you are messing up the price reference.
The point is he is a top player, and he scored these self-made goals for Everton quite a lot. Given that he is a CF, not a number 10 forward, 1 in 5 is a pretty good ratio. Ronaldo for example i am sure has something like that as well. His price is not a financial speculation, it's a reflection of how he played at Everton. And ho he is expected to progress. It is obvious he has to get even better. So it makes perfect sense to demand that his playing level is at least not lower, and it is now.
Someone disagreeing with you doesn't mean he doesn't know how to read, I just don't think it's a lot, scoring these 1 "self made" goal in 5. Therefore it's not something I personally expect him to do on a more regular basis at United. Besides the context is different, there is less space at United as teams park the bus more. He's done very well at the things he's always been good at (holding the ball up, involving others and scoring). Without even going into details with the pressure he is feeling. The goals you're talking about, they require some very good comfort and confidence and he hasn't properly fitted in with his teammates.
Ronaldo cannot even do that on a regular basis anymore, he isn't that player anymore.
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