Roman Abramovich plans to sell Chelsea | SOLD for £4.25BN

Dancfc said:
Three guarantees in life. Death, taxes and you twisting things to promote an agenda.

I brought it up because @Rooney in Paris tried to tar us all with the same brush despite the fact the Abramovic chants were drowned out by a significant majority in our last home game. I was merely trying to ask him how would he feel if I tarred and pigeonholed him on a minority he'll never meet. All my life I've had to deal with being branded things am absolutely nothing close to because of a minority I'll never meet, so unless you get the same you're in no position to comment on the matter let alone twist it to the disgusting level you have.
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You’ve lost me here unfortunately and I’ve no idea what ‘disgusting level’ I’ve twisted things to. I’ve simply said how I’ve interpreted what you’ve said and others have agreed.

Perhaps you need to explain yourself more comprehensively rather than using whataboutism so often?
 
TheReligion said:
You’ve lost me here unfortunately and I’ve no idea what ‘disgusting level’ I’ve twisted things to. I’ve simply said how I’ve interpreted what you’ve said and others have agreed.

Perhaps you need to explain yourself more comprehensively rather than using whataboutism so often?
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My post was purely in the context of people using a minority to tar an entire fanbase.

Your post was strongly implying I was arguing against the sanctions, I wasn't and haven't in this entire thread.
 
Dancfc said:
My post was purely in the context of people using a minority to tar an entire fanbase.

Your post was strongly implying I was arguing against the sanctions, I wasn't and haven't in this entire thread.
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I think it’s a poor comparison to be honest (along with trying to link Mata and Matic to RA).

People will read that and feel that rather than accepting things as they are you’re just trying to deflect. That will irritate people and cause a reaction.

@WeePat and @TheMagicFoolBus have both been excellent in this thread as despite some ribbing they’ve been totally objective and willing to criticise their club without caveats.
 
Rooney in Paris said:
Not disagreeing with the bolded, but I'm sure you're aware that the links between major players and the ruling class in autocratic regimes, and what happens in "democracies" (voluntarily putting air quotes there, given the soft power that can be wielded with politicians), is of deliriously differing nature and doesn't put it on the same level, apart from a theoretical debate perspective (which is pretty useless).
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Does that include the EU member states who have now been exposed for selling weapons to the Russian military? I’m curious as to the sanctions that will be imposed on them seeing as selling steel gets your assets frozen, what happens for selling actual weapons?
 
TheReligion said:
I think it’s a poor comparison to be honest (along with trying to link Mata and Matic to RA).

People will read that and feel that rather than accepting things as they are you’re just trying to deflect. That will irritate people and cause a reaction.

@WeePat and @TheMagicFoolBus have both been excellent in this thread as despite some ribbing they’ve been totally objective and willing to criticise their club without caveats.
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They have been, but overall Chelsea fans have been pretty terrible in here. From stupid whataboutism to minimising certain events to completely condoning Roman Abramovitch, they haven't presented a very nice image of the fanbase in general.
Mastadon said:
Does that include the EU member states who have now been exposed for selling weapons to the Russian military? I’m curious as to the sanctions that will be imposed on them seeing as selling steel gets your assets frozen, what happens for selling actual weapons?
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What are you even talking about? Did you understand what my post was discussing?

Also, do you think that EU countries are going to impose sanctions on EU countries?

And is your opinion in life in general that 2 wrongs make 1 right?

If it's that West is hypocritical then it's nothing different to what I've said.
 
TheReligion said:
I think it’s a poor comparison to be honest (along with trying to link Mata and Matic to RA).

People will read that and feel that rather than accepting things as they are you’re just trying to deflect. That will irritate people and cause a reaction.

@WeePat and @TheMagicFoolBus have both been excellent in this thread as despite some ribbing they’ve been totally objective and willing to criticise their club without caveats.
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Rooney in Paris said:
They have been, but overall Chelsea fans have been pretty terrible in here. From stupid whataboutism to minimising certain events to completely condoning Roman Abramovitch, they haven't presented a very nice image of the fanbase in general.
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Appreciate the kudos; would also emphasise that @WeePat has been spot on in everything he's said (much more so than me, for my money).

Personally I find this whole saga to be extremely disheartening well beyond the ramifications for the football club on the pitch - I'd be lying if I said I had been somewhat blissfully ignorant of the extent of the moral depths much of our fanbase has sunk to. I'd say they should be ashamed but increasingly I question whether they have the capacity. Eye-opening, to be sure.
 
This is quite a good pitch..

A statement added: "The Blue Football Consortium brings together a wealth of global sports, technology, strategic planning, real estate, financial and management expertise, access to capital and global resources to ensure that Chelsea can compete on the world stage for years to come.

"With global investors including South Korea's Hana Financial Group and C&P Sports Group, Mr Candy's consortium composition matches his vision for the club: to combine the global outlook required to compete in a global game, whilst ensuring the values, heritage and legacy of this highly respected club are preserved for future generations.

"Mr Candy believes the proposed offer provides the ability to transfer stewardship of Chelsea seamlessly and efficiently, at an attractive valuation, to a committed and credible group with considerable global resources to continue the development of the club which has been so successful since 2003.

"The group will be visible and responsible shareholders and through Mr Candy in particular, the consortium will have a truly local, on-the-ground presence and an inherent understanding of the club's rich heritage from a supporter with a lifelong affinity to the club."

Candy then commented: "Chelsea is one of the most iconic and successful professional football clubs in the world, with a rich heritage, global following, and a highly valuable brand.

"Football clubs are vitally important community and cultural assets, and this is a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to give football back to the fans and put them at the heart of the operations and strategy of a leading global football club.

"I believe Chelsea has all of the fundamentals to become the most valuable and respected sports club in the world and a force for the greater good in everything it does."
 
The selective outrage is just incredible. Obviously it's heightened as Abramovich is an owner, but Man City's main man welcomed Assad to his corrupt little oil well today, rolling out the red carpet for a mass murderer who perpetrated genocide and is putins strongest ally.

It doesn't even register on British news desks. Like the Saudis in Yemen.

They have no part in British football but have bought the league and bought the press
 
horsechoker said:
Unfortunately Chelsea will come out of this alright, finish top 3 next season and maybe win a cup.
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Yep, so Chelsea's punishment for having 20 year of success that has been found to be totally immoral, is 2-3 weeks of uncertainty, before they carry on as normal if not better, with a handpicked new owner, who gets an elite squad, and a totally debt free club, all paid for with dirty money.
 
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Funny how no one really minded abramovic til the Ukraine invasion, bit like all the Russian property owners in London. Now all the shady dealings are ‘coming out of the woodwork’. All the stuff everyone is so appalled by has been known for years.
 
This is all short-term pain for long-term gain. Chelsea's a bit too big to fail and as long as TV rights continue to increase domestically and internationally, most PL clubs will be a valuable investment for investment companies, especially if you're a London club.

All this noise justifies that Roman is a Russian crook and Chelsea won the jackpot, which has been won a few times more by City, PSG, and now Newcastle.
 
SER19 said:
The selective outrage is just incredible. Obviously it's heightened as Abramovich is an owner, but Man City's main man welcomed Assad to his corrupt little oil well today, rolling out the red carpet for a mass murderer who perpetrated genocide and is putins strongest ally.

It doesn't even register on British news desks. Like the Saudis in Yemen.

They have no part in British football but have bought the league and bought the press
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InspiRED said:
Funny how no one really minded abramovic til the Ukraine invasion, bit like all the Russian property owners in London. Now all the shady dealings are ‘coming out of the woodwork’. All the stuff everyone is so appalled by has been known for years.
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Everyone just grew apathetic to Roman and Chelsea, but to the core, their foundations of success is from dirty money. The UK government obviously cared eventually, but not really The FA nor PL nor UEFA, because they've all benefitted from Chelsea under Roman's time and from Russia directly.
 
edcunited1878 said:
Everyone just grew apathetic to Roman and Chelsea, but to the core, their foundations of success is from dirty money. The UK government obviously cared eventually, but not really The FA nor PL nor UEFA, because they've all benefitted from Chelsea under Roman's time and from Russia directly.
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True. They began to care at a ‘politically appropriate’ time.
 
edcunited1878 said:
Everyone just grew apathetic to Roman and Chelsea, but to the core, their foundations of success is from dirty money. The UK government obviously cared eventually, but not really The FA nor PL nor UEFA, because they've all benefitted from Chelsea under Roman's time and from Russia directly.
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If it was for the FA and PL they would the all english teams to oil barons, if they can profit from it
 
InspiRED said:
Funny how no one really minded abramovic til the Ukraine invasion, bit like all the Russian property owners in London. Now all the shady dealings are ‘coming out of the woodwork’. All the stuff everyone is so appalled by has been known for years.
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Yeah those complaining before the war were just too woke, or jealous or something.
 
C'est Moi Cantona said:
Yep, so Chelsea's punishment for having 20 year of success that has been found to be totally immoral, is 2-3 weeks of uncertainty, before they carry on as normal if not better, with a handpicked new owner, who gets an elite squad, and a totally debt free club, all paid for with dirty money.
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Why would or should the club itself be punished? The players in the pitch, the coaches, the staff, and most importantly the supporters did nothing wrong. You punish the owner which is what they’ve done.
 
Orc said:
Why would or should the club itself be punished? The players in the pitch, the coaches, the staff, and most importantly the supporters did nothing wrong. You punish the owner which is what they’ve done.
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Excuse my ignorance but the club staff, the players and the fans all knew of Abramovic questionable background and how he obtained his wealth much like City and Newcastle fans do but people are more than happy to fork over their cash to directly fund their clubs owners questionable behaviour as long as the dirty money brings trophies.

Chelsea fans players and staff didn’t wakeup one morning utterly shocked by Abramovic and his involvement and support of Putin.

Its a huge stretch to claim ignorance and “they didn’t know”. They did everyone did.
 
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This in a nutshell is the problem, one minute City/PSG are the enemies, the next it is RA, then it is City again. It is all a little 1984. The thing I find amazing here is that people belive RA is worse than any of the other mega wealthy, when in fact the whole system is corrupt and pretty much anyone in his position would've done the same.

I mean, when reading some posters on here, they would have you belive the likes of Henry, the Galzers, Bohley etc, would not drop to their knees and start dealing in arms automatically if it meant political protection and a few extra Bill if offered it/had the chance to acquire it.

Personally, I am not in favour of mega wealthy oweners, but those pretending that their mega wealthy owner (even if poor in comparison to some of the others') is different to the others is living in fantasy land.
 
InspiRED said:
True. They began to care at a ‘politically appropriate’ time.
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They probably always cared, but now was the only legitimate chance that Abramovich could be forced out so it makes sense to speak up now. How much they cared about the morality of it is the question, I suspect a fair few here's main issue is the sheer amount Roman has invested into Chelsea and are using morals as a front to voice their distain. Tribalism has been rife be it CFC fans defending Roman to the death or rivals using current events to get across their agenda.
 
1905 said:
They probably always cared, but now was the only legitimate chance that Abramovich could be forced out so it makes sense to speak up now. How much they cared about the morality of it is the question, I suspect a fair few here's main issue is the sheer amount Roman has invested into Chelsea and are using morals as a front to voice their distain. Tribalism has been rife be it CFC fans defending Roman to the death or rivals using current events to get across their agenda.
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I don’t doubt it. Think are never as black and white as they are painted. I’ve known how RA got his wealth for ages and it is basically theft from the Russian people. That being said as a football club owner I think he was a pretty good one, he actually cares about football and under him you produced a fantastic academy. You could argue Glazers leveraged buyout of Utd was a kind of theft too, despite being somehow legal. All this talk gets a bit like comparing different flavours of shit, to see which is the worst. Though if that’s what we’re doing I’d say RA is definitely up there. City just as bad though.
 
InspiRED said:
I don’t doubt it. Think are never as black and white as they are painted. I’ve known how RA got his wealth for ages and it is basically theft from the Russian people. That being said as a football club owner I think he was a pretty good one, he actually cares about football and under him you produced a fantastic academy. You could argue Glazers leveraged buyout of Utd was a kind of theft too, despite being somehow legal. All this talk gets a bit like comparing different flavours of shit, to see which is the worst. Though if that’s what we’re doing I’d say RA is definitely up there. City just as bad though.
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Indeed. We've all known who he is and that eventually it would catch up to us. Doesn't mean we didn't enjoy the feck out of all the success & anyone telling you otherwise or that they've 'been wanting him out for years' is kidding themselves quite frankly. But now is probably the time to get an owner(s) with far less issues and trying to strike the balance between that and being competent in a sporting sense.

Fortunately we are in a pretty privileged position compared to some others (Derby) and my main worry over the past few weeks was just the club existing in the years to come.
 
horsechoker said:
Unfortunately Chelsea will come out of this alright, finish top 3 next season and maybe win a cup.
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Orc said:
Why would or should the club itself be punished? The players in the pitch, the coaches, the staff, and most importantly the supporters did nothing wrong. You punish the owner which is what they’ve done.
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This is the problem. Many many people are confused as to who or what is being punished. Chelsea are not the target of the sanctions, they are the victim of the sanctions.

I don’t not blame the confusion on people, I blame the media for portraying a false narrative in their stories and writing with incredible bias and unprofessionalism.
 
SER19 said:
The selective outrage is just incredible. Obviously it's heightened as Abramovich is an owner, but Man City's main man welcomed Assad to his corrupt little oil well today, rolling out the red carpet for a mass murderer who perpetrated genocide and is putins strongest ally.

It doesn't even register on British news desks. Like the Saudis in Yemen.

They have no part in British football but have bought the league and bought the press
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Yep, the selective outrage is no defence for Abramovich, but this and Newcastle underline the fact the Premier League and FA couldn't give a shit where the money comes from unless they're forced to.
 
1905 said:
They probably always cared, but now was the only legitimate chance that Abramovich could be forced out so it makes sense to speak up now. How much they cared about the morality of it is the question, I suspect a fair few here's main issue is the sheer amount Roman has invested into Chelsea and are using morals as a front to voice their distain. Tribalism has been rife be it CFC fans defending Roman to the death or rivals using current events to get across their agenda.
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Pretty much exactly what I've been trying to say articulated in a much better way than I have been doing.
 
Bluelion7 said:
None of what you just said makes sense. They got their money from a guy forced to sell his Russian oil company back to the state two decades ago. Correct. So what? You guys approved his ownership.

You are proving my point. You are implying that Chelsea deserve to be punished for having been owned by a Russian (again, he’s Ukrainian by birth …). That is COMPLETELY different than making sure Chelsea funds don’t “aid Russias invasion”. That WAS the stated point of the sanctions, right?

He made a statement calling the situation in Ukraine “horrific and devastating” back on Feb 27th. You may not think the statement went far enough, but it was made.The people in charge of the club now have made their support of the Ukrainian people very clear.

The quote from Roman on the net proceeds going to Ukraine was a direct quote it’s not hard to find. Your newspapers are implying he left it open to assisting Russians from the invasion. Because they are UK newspapers and making ish up is what they do. Problem is…He assigned stewardship of those funds to a group of mostly Americans and Brits. Are you implying THEY would have given that money to Russian troops?

He has no active control over Chelsea or their finances. No way to access them at all.

It definitely feels like the government, and people like you and Carragher, just want Chelsea to suffer. And that’s just wrong.
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He was born in Russia. He’s not Ukrainian. His maternal grandparents fled Ukraine due to war. He’s as Russian as Putin.

You’re a brainwashed Chelsea fan that doesn’t know what way is up. It’s exhausting. You don’t understand sanctions. Just go and read actual evidence and commentary instead of bleating on about ‘fair’.

Just stop.
 
Orc said:
Why would or should the club itself be punished? The players in the pitch, the coaches, the staff, and most importantly the supporters did nothing wrong. You punish the owner which is what they’ve done.
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You're simply being brought closer to what you were before dirty money.


You'll still be much better off afterwards for it, so no reason to cry so hard about it.
 
TrebleChamp99 said:
Excuse my ignorance but the club staff, the players and the fans all knew of Abramovic questionable background and how he obtained his wealth much like City and Newcastle fans do but people are more than happy to fork over their cash to directly fund their clubs owners questionable behaviour as long as the dirty money brings trophies.

Chelsea fans players and staff didn’t wakeup one morning utterly shocked by Abramovic and his involvement and support of Putin.

Its a huge stretch to claim ignorance and “they didn’t know”. They did everyone did.
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They knew but they just didn't care, and when it was pointed out over and over in 2003 we were told we were being bitter. Sorry that im not flooding tears that Chelsea will now be trading one billionaire for another. What a horrific and unfair destiny.
 
SirReginald said:
This is the problem. Many many people are confused as to who or what is being punished. Chelsea are not the target of the sanctions, they are the victim of the sanctions.

I don’t not blame the confusion on people, I blame the media for portraying a false narrative in their stories and writing with incredible bias and unprofessionalism.
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Have to say wanting all the benefits of stolen/blood money and none of the consequences is as British as it gets.
 
Dave Smith said:
This in a nutshell is the problem, one minute City/PSG are the enemies, the next it is RA, then it is City again. It is all a little 1984. The thing I find amazing here is that people belive RA is worse than any of the other mega wealthy, when in fact the whole system is corrupt and pretty much anyone in his position would've done the same.

I mean, when reading some posters on here, they would have you belive the likes of Henry, the Galzers, Bohley etc, would not drop to their knees and start dealing in arms automatically if it meant political protection and a few extra Bill if offered it/had the chance to acquire it.

Personally, I am not in favour of mega wealthy oweners, but those pretending that their mega wealthy owner (even if poor in comparison to some of the others') is different to the others is living in fantasy land.
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You simply cannot equate your hypotheticals with the attempt to internationally legitimise probably the most evil and murderous man in the world. I can't suggest doing some reading about assad enough, and if you feel you're well informed but also think criticising city's owners for this is 'a little 1984' then you're beyond help or conversation
 
Forgive my ignorance; who does the money from the sale go to?
With Abramovich being frozen can any money go to him?
 
Bocca9978 said:
Forgive my ignorance; who does the money from the sale go to?
With Abramovich being frozen can any money go to him?
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Will be kept with the goverment. Roman will at some point have the chance to appeal the sanctions and if successful (unlikely) he'll then get the money from the sale.
 
If the money is going to the government and therefore the taxpayer, will they just be obliged to accept the highest offer from a “fit and proper” person? I.e. they won’t be able to take into account which buyer might be best for the club, as Abramovich might have done?
 
Sparky Rhiwabon said:
If the money is going to the government and therefore the taxpayer, will they just be obliged to accept the highest offer from a “fit and proper” person? I.e. they won’t be able to take into account which buyer might be best for the club, as Abramovich might have done?
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No it's still Roman s asset and he is the one decides to whom he wanted to sell. Government role is to ensure roman just not get the money from process.

He will have to fight it out in court to get money if he wanted to. Money won't goto government too since Roman s assets not seized but freezed.Government can't play the Robinhood here.
 
Sparky Rhiwabon said:
If the money is going to the government and therefore the taxpayer, will they just be obliged to accept the highest offer from a “fit and proper” person? I.e. they won’t be able to take into account which buyer might be best for the club, as Abramovich might have done?
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The government will only be looking after it, Father Ted style.
 
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