T2 and Robocop are classics. TR isn't really.
Film Robocop v Terminator 2 v Total Recall
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Terminator 2. Goat of actions films imo.
There is no comparison 
T2 is vastly superior IMO.
T2 is vastly superior IMO.
Total Recall was dull. The other two are classics
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T2 is great entertainment (and has some layers to it, sure; namely the emotionally distant father, the influence of technological development on the family unit - note the brainy techno-wizard who is instrumental in creating the death machine has a pretty normal family life as opposed to our heroes. That isn't by accident.)
But Robocop is on another level: a scathing satire of American 'cowboy'/'hypercapitalist' culture and a Christ allegory (that secondarily satirizes idolatry of religious perversion) What if Jesus were a cowboy? And what if a culture took this as unironically and as seriously as life and death? Where does a society like that end up?
Robocop
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Total Recal
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Terminator 2
How anyone can have Cameron's T2,which is practically a big budgeted dumbed-down remake of his 1st , over Verhoeven's two sci-fi classics is mental.
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Total Recal
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Terminator 2
How anyone can have Cameron's T2,which is practically a big budgeted dumbed-down remake of his 1st , over Verhoeven's two sci-fi classics is mental.
T2, obviously.
T2,entertaining yet dumb. Making Arnie the hero was one of the poorest choices Cameron has made regarding his work.
Arnie was far,far better as the silent antagonist.
You stick a Human against a unstoppable killing Machine and you have something interesting and ,for the viewer, a emotional link.
Machine vs Machine, who the feck cares ?
Arnie was far,far better as the silent antagonist.
You stick a Human against a unstoppable killing Machine and you have something interesting and ,for the viewer, a emotional link.
Machine vs Machine, who the feck cares ?
I may need to revisit Robocop.
I remember as a kid, loving it, but to be honest, didn't really understand it, just the idea of a robot cop was cool.
As I got older, I came to the opinion that Robocop just didn't get that great a reception, and was always overshadowed by T2 whereas this thread definitely gives mixed opinions.
Must admit, I'm shocked at the lack of love for total Recall though
I remember as a kid, loving it, but to be honest, didn't really understand it, just the idea of a robot cop was cool.
As I got older, I came to the opinion that Robocop just didn't get that great a reception, and was always overshadowed by T2 whereas this thread definitely gives mixed opinions.
Must admit, I'm shocked at the lack of love for total Recall though
T2 is the greatest film ever.
T2 is the best but total recall has the most quotables.
Everyone should revisit Robocop going by the majority on here.
I think people should also revisit T1 and T2 and surely they'll come to the conclusion the first is narratively and,especially interms of tension, a stronger film.
I think people should also revisit T1 and T2 and surely they'll come to the conclusion the first is narratively and,especially interms of tension, a stronger film.
That's because it's basically a horror movie.
Exactly,Robocop is a Science fiction masterpiece. Its a film with far more layers and substance than that of T2.
I actually find the comparison embarrassing. Robocop is a greater film.
Yeah,and its works far better.
Cameron's best SCI-FI films are The Abyss and T1,even if he plagiarised the later.
T2 exciting yet is abit of an after thought,for me.
T2 exciting yet is abit of an after thought,for me.
How dare you Zenboy
In your opinion it does.
As an action movie, there are few that compare to it. The Matrix or MMFR maybe. As pure entertainment T2 is far above Robocop IMO.
I also think T1 and Robocop is a more apt comparison.
Total Recall for me!
It flew under the radar in my country, as opposed to T2, which was just SO commercialized. Robocop was too weird for my young and impressionable mind. Especially when that gooey man got hit by that car.
It flew under the radar in my country, as opposed to T2, which was just SO commercialized. Robocop was too weird for my young and impressionable mind. Especially when that gooey man got hit by that car.
T2
One uses horror gimmics and the other is a dark satire,dont really see the comparison.
I think a better comparison would be Aliens and T2. Both films that go against the grain to a certain extent to their previous films and both directed by Cameron.
Also both films could be argued as remakes. They have a similar narrative structure.
The point is you can hardly compare two films of different genres and massively different budgets. T1 is closer to Robocop than T2 is, that was my point.
As far as Aliens goes. I love it and consider it better than Alien. It's not as good as T2. It's one of my favorite James Cameron movies along with The Abyss which you mentioned.
I see.
Personally, I prefer Alien to Aliens,though I must admit the later has been getting abit of a kicking in recent times.
I certainly prefer Aliens to T2. I just dont think there's a great deal in T2 that makes more want to re-watch.
Personally, I prefer Alien to Aliens,though I must admit the later has been getting abit of a kicking in recent times.
I certainly prefer Aliens to T2. I just dont think there's a great deal in T2 that makes more want to re-watch.
Starship Troopers is also better than Total Recall.
Hmm, I'm not so sure about that. TR is a pretty good movie. Always found it a bit long though. But Sharon Stone...
Agree.
Again a brilliant and gruesome satire but this time on fascism.
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All of the movies mentioned in the thread are very good. I hate ranking stuff like this. It's not a crime to enjoy them all. All are very good in their own right.
Aliens is very much a film of its time. Dialogue wise,its dated.
Still,when that film gets going its an absolute roller-coaster in suspense.
Still,when that film gets going its an absolute roller-coaster in suspense.
Starship Troopers is massively underrated.
I think T2 for action, but as grinner said, Robocop has the best lines. Surprised by the dismissal of Total Recall. It's massively entertaining- dark, funny, incredibly violent at times and a few decent lines too.
RoboCop is on another level to both of them. Top 3 sci fi of all time.
First of all T1 is a better sci fi than T2.
If we are chatting about best sci fi action, we need Aliens and Predator in the mix.
What are we discussing the best film of the three or best sci fi action film.
If we are chatting about best sci fi action, we need Aliens and Predator in the mix.
What are we discussing the best film of the three or best sci fi action film.
Fixed that for you
Everytime I watch Alien I appreciate it more and more. Aliens is a classic but it was so reductive in terms of making the Alien just a bug that could be downed by a few blasts of a pulse rifle. The original idea of an indestructible bioweapon was much better.
Typical. Trying to find a sneaky way to inject The Matrix into the discussion.
I see you there...
T1000 shits on the other two. Proverbially, of course, cause machines cannot defecate, unless Edward Furlong taught him that too, off camera.
This.
I do agree it's not fair to compare budgets. It's probably a testament to Robocop that it still holds up brilliantly, even despite its rather hilarious special effects (particularly when ED209 is involved). It doesn't really impact the film IMO.
I can't imagine T2 still holding up today if the effects were crummy.
I have no objection with the Matrix, still one of the best films I seen in the cinema, just wish I knew what we were comparing ha..
Out of all the quotable lines in Robocop this is the one with the most substance and its a real kicker "I can feel them... but I can't remember them."