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If we really want him we should just put up or shut up. What's the point of haggling over a few million? I think it's because we don't really want him but are willing to take him at a cut-price.
 
Yeah we dont really want him, thats why we'll talk about him in public setting us up for egg on our faces if we dont get him.
 
He's not completely wrong, though. His contract situation and the fact he's not going to cost a huge bundle surely plays a part here. If he didn't have a year remaining and his price would be 40m, we wouldn't be looking at him at all.
 
Obviously we want him. City want him. I'm sure other clubs want him. If we get him, the confidence going into the new season increases ten fold and frankly it's about time we made a statement again. Will we get him though? Maybe
 
We will probably wait ad infinitum until some big club steps in....
 
Yeah we dont really want him, thats why we'll talk about him in public setting us up for egg on our faces if we dont get him.

The point I'm trying to make is that I don't think we're really desperate to get him like we were, for example, with jones where we paid more than the release clause.
 
If we don't get RVP, and with losing out on Hazard, Lucas this summer will be the final straw for a few caftards..

On a serious note, if RVP turned us down how would this reflect on the club and Fergie?
 
On a serious note, if RVP turned us down how would this reflect on the club and Fergie?

I dont think it'l have any impact at all tbh. He'd either stay at Arsenal or move to City, both decisions people could understand. Just like joining us.
 
I don't think it'll look good if he turns us down or if he goes somewhere else for a higher fee. We'll have been in for 3 big signings this summer and either unwilling/unable to pay what others did or just rejected. That with the ipo which hasn't exactly gone down a storm from what I understand doesn't paint us in a good light. But oh we'll that's the risk you take. A trophy this year will shut anyone up.
 
If we don't get RVP, and with losing out on Hazard, Lucas this summer will be the final straw for a few caftards..

On a serious note, if RVP turned us down how would this reflect on the club and Fergie?

We had a limit for Hazard and to be honest he sounds like a knob. Lucas? We had the deal in place but for some imbred club from France. Van Persie? It's like Madrid singing a player from Barcelona or vice versa...So people need perspective. It don't matter what idiots think. We know it's just one of those things. We have a strong youth team. Barcelona aren't scared to bed players in, we shouldn't be either.

It's not a problem. We could still get RVP.
 
I don't think it'll look good if he turns us down or if he goes somewhere else for a higher fee. We'll have been in for 3 big signings this summer and either unwilling/unable to pay what others did or just rejected. That with the ipo which hasn't exactly gone down a storm from what I understand doesn't paint us in a good light. But oh we'll that's the risk you take. A trophy this year will shut anyone up.

We stopped bidding for Lucas when PSG offered 45mil. Sensible thing to do. I'd say we'd have actually looked a tad stupid had we matched their bid.

The deal for Hazard was a strange one. It was said that all 3 clubs had been allowed to discuss contracts with him. Even he said he chose Chelsea of the 3. Then Sir Alex came out and said our bid was much lower. Why would Lille accept a lower bid from us? So either hazard was lying for some unknown reason or we didnt match Chelsea and City's bid in the first place.
 
Goodness me, I can't believe this is still rumbling on.

What we know for *certain* is that SAF has now missed two pre-season fixtures - that decision doesn't get taken lightly. Was he doing some work on this deal?

I feel that United need this sort of signing to add some real fear factor back to the club.
 
We stopped bidding for Lucas when PSG offered 45mil. Sensible thing to do. I'd say we'd have actually looked a tad stupid had we matched their bid.

The deal for Hazard was a strange one. It was said that all 3 clubs had been allowed to discuss contracts with him. Even he said he chose Chelsea of the 3. Then Sir Alex came out and said our bid was much lower. Why would Lille accept a lower bid from us? So either hazard was lying for some unknown reason or we didnt match Chelsea and City's bid in the first place.

I'm not saying that we weren't wrong to drop out but purely that having been in for 2 big signings and missed out and potentially missing out on a third it doesn't look good to people looking at the club from the outside.
 
I'm not saying that we weren't wrong to drop out but purely that having been in for 2 big signings and missed out and potentially missing out on a third it doesn't look good to people looking at the club from the outside.

Shouldnt be the case because of the reasons involved specially in Lucas's case.
 
What we know for *certain* is that SAF has now missed two pre-season fixtures - that decision doesn't get taken lightly. Was he doing some work on this deal?.

I find that completely odd. Sir Alex isn't involved in transfer dealings so much these days. Talking to the player and agent, maybe the player's family, that's still his business, but his money talks are made by the money men. Even if David Gill is in the United States we'd surely have someone else to deal with that.
 
I remember when our transfers were done in a whiff and without the public or media being aware of it, some of you may recall the Stam, or even Cole and others like Schmeichel being completed without any hint that we were watching or in negotiations with agents.

Now all we hear is ongoing discussions with players, agents, clubs and all getting too greedy for my liking. We were told Hazard or his agent earned £6m from the deal and now lucas's camp earnt £9m, football is no longer about winning trophies but all about money.

We've this with contract renewals, the twat that is Terry threatening to join City until he got bumper contract at Chelsea, Gerrard has done this and even our own with Rio, Rooney and Keane.
 
I find that completely odd. Sir Alex isn't involved in transfer dealings so much these days. Talking to the player and agent, maybe the player's family, that's still his business, but his money talks are made by the money men. Even if David Gill is in the United States we'd surely have someone else to deal with that.

Who knows?

I would have thought SAF will have spoken with RvP; perhaps he's been lobbying Wenger too, as by all accounts, that's the major stumbling block to this move.

Haven't got a clue, but would've thought SAF would have some involvement in negotiations.
 
Shouldnt be the case because of the reasons involved specially in Lucas's case.

Well we'll have to see. Can imagine if we're struggling this season for whatever reason people will talk about how we were unable to compete for the big names etc. like i said if we win trophies this season then people will shut up if we don't people will likely bring it up. Either way I think if you go for 3 big signings in one window and miss out on all of them then it doesn't reflect well. Not saying I think we should have bit more or condemning our inability to spend or whatever but simply that it doesn't look good.
 
Well we'll have to see. Can imagine if we're struggling this season for whatever reason people will talk about how we were unable to compete for the big names etc. like i said if we win trophies this season then people will shut up if we don't people will likely bring it up. Either way I think if you go for 3 big signings in one window and miss out on all of them then it doesn't reflect well. Not saying I think we should have bit more or condemning our inability to spend or whatever but simply that it doesn't look good.

In fairness, we landed Kagawa.
 
Well we'll have to see. Can imagine if we're struggling this season for whatever reason people will talk about how we were unable to compete for the big names etc. like i said if we win trophies this season then people will shut up if we don't people will likely bring it up. Either way I think if you go for 3 big signings in one window and miss out on all of them then it doesn't reflect well. Not saying I think we should have bit more or condemning our inability to spend or whatever but simply that it doesn't look good.

That much is certain. If we dont win things, our failure to land Hazard and maybe RVP will be brought up. We cant buy according to public opinion though so its inevitable.
 
That much is certain. If we dont win things, our failure to land Hazard and maybe RVP will be brought up. We cant buy according to public opinion though so its inevitable.

Yeah, but that story is just a variation on the neverending 'United in Crisis' crap that journalists roll out when they're short of filler.
 
Yeah, but that story is just a variation on the neverending 'United in Crisis' crap that journalists roll out when they're short of filler.

Yep, thats why its always to be ignored. Usual media bollox.
 
New Netherlands manager van Gaal has said Van Persie will play at least 45 minutes tonight against Cologne.
 
That much is certain. If we dont win things, our failure to land Hazard and maybe RVP will be brought up. We cant buy according to public opinion though so its inevitable.

I'm not saying we should but simply that if you go for 3 big players and lose out on all of them then it doesn't look good. It it happened to arsenal I'm sure people would say they can't compete for the best etc and as I said if we don't win anything then people will talk about it. A lot of it is press crap but I can imagine for some players looking at the club they might have it in their minds when they think about where they're gonna move to. You can bet that fergie won't be happy to miss out on all of his key targets. Signing them would have sent out a big message and not being able to sign them sends out a message imo even if it will be overblown.
 
If we get Van Persie and having already signed Kagawa then it's a massive statement and other teams will fear us.

I've seen and heard people dismissing Kagawa simply because he's Japanese and didn't cost €500bn but those us who know football, watched Dortmund the last 2 seasons and our pre-season know that we've already signed one world class player this summer. Van Persie would make it two. That's a good summer in my book.

I still think there maybe another surprise too. If Madrid sign Witsel then I expect us to make an effort on Modric. Spurs options become limited and we might get him. We may even go after Witsel if Madrid do sign Modric. I really don't think our summer spending ends if we get RvP. Then again we'll probably buy Stephen Warnock as left back cover :lol:
 
I remember when our transfers were done in a whiff and without the public or media being aware of it, some of you may recall the Stam, or even Cole and others like Schmeichel being completed without any hint that we were watching or in negotiations with agents.

It's a completely different World now. The reason that EVERYTHING is talked about is because information is so accessible through Internet forums, various news sources, rumour-mills, Twatter, etc. Before that existed, we relied on newspapers and there were no forums to whip a rumour into a frenzy. Stories would break, be discussed down the pub or at school for a few days and burn out because there would be nobody to regurgitate all the nonsense.
 
I'm not saying we should but simply that if you go for 3 big players and lose out on all of them then it doesn't look good. It it happened to arsenal I'm sure people would say they can't compete for the best etc and as I said if we don't win anything then people will talk about it. A lot of it is press crap but I can imagine for some players looking at the club they might have it in their minds when they think about where they're gonna move to. You can bet that fergie won't be happy to miss out on all of his key targets. Signing them would have sent out a big message and not being able to sign them sends out a message imo even if it will be overblown.

What doesnt look good? Not paying 45mil for a 19yr old? as i said, for me, it'd have looked stupid to actually pay that much. It would have been the same had it been arsenal. Even if we miss RVP, it'd only be because he either stayed at Arsenal or moved to City, bad for us yeah but understandable either ways.

In any case, the players we target normally are not the RVPs of this world so it wouldnt be a problem for future purchases. And regarding SAF, he makes the call. so if he decided he didnt want Lucas or Hazard for that price, he has nothing to be unhappy about.
 
What doesnt look good? Not paying 45mil for a 19yr old? as i said, for me, it'd have looked stupid to actually pay that much. It would have been the same had it been arsenal. Even if we miss RVP, it'd only be because he either stayed at Arsenal or moved to City, bad for us yeah but understandable either ways.

In any case, the players we target normally are not the RVPs of this world so it wouldnt be a problem for future purchases. And regarding SAF, he makes the call. so if he decided he didnt want Lucas or Hazard for that price, he has nothing to be unhappy about.

Ok guess we're just gonna have to disagree. You seem to be saying that it was fergies decion to pull out on those deals where as I think that whilst that might be true it could also be true that we were unable to match what they wanted and that uncertainty is what doesn't look good. It's not a damnation of the club, it's not me saying we should have paid that money but simply that if you have 3 big targets that you've made it knowledge that you want and lose out on each of them then it doesn't reflect well on your capability to compete for big signings.
 
Ok guess we're just gonna have to disagree. You seem to be saying that it was fergies decion to pull out on those deals where as I think that whilst that might be true it could also be true that we were unable to match what they wanted and that uncertainty is what doesn't look good. It's not a damnation of the club, it's not me saying we should have paid that money but simply that if you have 3 big targets that you've made it knowledge that you want and lose out on each of them then it doesn't reflect well on your capability to compete for big signings.

Yeah i do believe its SAF at the end of it all who decides whether or not we pay what clubs want for players. I do agree with you that it'd be blown up a bit in the media if we dont have a great season but i dont really care tbf.
 
Another aspect could be that SAF didn't want to end up signing players who appeared to be mainly motivated by money - that appears to be the case in the 'failed' negotiations mentioned here.
 
I feel its more of not wanting to pay over the top Steve. Has always been the case with some managers. SAF and Wenger particularly in the PL.
 
Yeah, that's probably the mot important thing, mate.
 
Manchester United manager Sir Alex Ferguson missed his side's pre-season friendly with Hannover on Saturday night as he steps up his efforts to sign Robin van Persie.

Shinji Kagawa scored the winner as United came back from two goals down to gain a 4-3 victory in Germany, but Ferguson stayed in England to help Red Devils chief executive David Gill work on a deal to bring Van Persie to Old Trafford.

Gill has been in London negotiating with the Gunners this weekend, with United having already had a £15 million offer rejected for the PFA and Football Writers' Association's Player of the Year.

United are likely to have to increase that to £20 million to persuade Arsenal to sell Van Persie, whose contract expires next summer.

The official reason given for the absence of Ferguson, who also missed last weekend's friendly against Valerenga in Norway, was that he was on "other club business".

His assistant Mike Phelan, who took charge of United for the Hannover game, was non-committal when asked about Van Persie, but United are keen to secure his signature, particularly after losing out to a late bid from Paris Saint-Germain for Lucas Moura last week.

Van Persie, 29, is expected to play in Arsenal's final pre-season friendly against Cologne in Germany on Sunday, before joining up with the Netherlands squad for a midweek friendly against Belgium.

It would be the Dutchman's first match action of any description since his country's group-stage exit from Euro 2012 in June, and Netherlands coach Louis van Gaal has expressed concerns about his fitness.

Van Gaal said: "Robin will play his first game this Sunday. He has told me he is at least going to play 45 minutes this weekend. It is a good job, because I almost had not selected him."


This article somehow managed to piece two and two together after discovering Fergie wasn't with the team in Germany. Wasn't Gill in New York for the IPO anyway?
 
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