To be fair that is all van Persie has been so far, if not below that level for most of the season.
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To be fair that is all van Persie has been so far, if not below that level for most of the season.
Don't deny that, I'm saying Welbeck would not have made a difference. We'd be better of dropping Van Persie, moving Rooney up top, and fitting in Mata, Herrera, Di Maria, Blind and Carrick into the midfield. That would be formidable.
It would also be the narrowest midfield in the history of football!
Agree with sticking Rooney up top instead of RvP but would stick a proper midfield 5 behind him, with a bit of width. Obviously, would be even better to have Welbeck up top and Rooney just behind him, as Mata's been kind of crap all season. Plus Rooney's always linked up with Welbeck much better than he did with RvP.
Agree with sticking Rooney up top instead of RvP but would stick a proper midfield 5 behind him, with a bit of width. Obviously, would be even better to have Welbeck up top and Rooney just behind him, as Mata's been kind of crap all season. Plus Rooney's always linked up with Welbeck much better than he did with RvP.
Great analysis by Gary Neville, just highlights the fact we need a creative midfielder like a Pirlo/Alonso to feed our world class strikers.
Maybe we have them at our club now in Herrera and Mata, but Mata needs to start bucking his ideas up, he's better than what he's shown in his last few games.
Maybe we have them at our club now in Herrera and Mata, but Mata needs to start bucking his ideas up, he's better than what he's shown in his last few games.
Since he came to us and was so great during his first year, I always supported him, and last year he was awful in his performance but also scored 18 goals in 26 games, which is a very good ratio regarding his injuries. Last year I pointed what Neville said, wiht few support, passer, or good ball.
But this year he has Di Maria, Rooney, Mata, Herrera around him, even Fellaini attracting the balls and he's still average in his game.
He's probably tired a bit, but I see this year more player in the box, the ball moving quicker. It's perhaps the fact that he feels not being the savior or the main man..
But this year he has Di Maria, Rooney, Mata, Herrera around him, even Fellaini attracting the balls and he's still average in his game.
He's probably tired a bit, but I see this year more player in the box, the ball moving quicker. It's perhaps the fact that he feels not being the savior or the main man..
My feeling is that we are not going to see the RVP of two seasons ago. Sure he can score the odd great goal, but his overall contribution, energy, dynamic seems to have waned. I was one of those who felt not so bad about Welbect leaving, but I'm happy to eat my words about that. He would be incredibly useful at the moment.
It wasn't so long ago Van Persie did this:
I wouldn't give up on him just yet. He's not in his best form but he only needs one big game to lift him. Imagine he'd have finished off that run from the left hand touchline against City? Nobody would be questioning him. Fine margins.
I wouldn't give up on him just yet. He's not in his best form but he only needs one big game to lift him. Imagine he'd have finished off that run from the left hand touchline against City? Nobody would be questioning him. Fine margins.
At the end of the day, a striker's peak years are 26 - 30, and Van Persie's just turned 31.
We got the tail end of his peak years and it was well worth it, I'll always maintain that, but to keep expecting him to reach that peak again is futile.
The frustrating thing is that used more sparingly he could still provide some class - why not start Falcao up top alone, give him his obligatory 60 minutes and then bring on RvP for the last half hour against a tired defence? Fresh RvP versus tired defence will help him to find form and confidence again.
We got the tail end of his peak years and it was well worth it, I'll always maintain that, but to keep expecting him to reach that peak again is futile.
The frustrating thing is that used more sparingly he could still provide some class - why not start Falcao up top alone, give him his obligatory 60 minutes and then bring on RvP for the last half hour against a tired defence? Fresh RvP versus tired defence will help him to find form and confidence again.
Touble is, Falcao has yet to be fit...and there is a chance he's going to become a sick note...
Ibrahimovic is 33. Drogba is scoring and playing well at the highest level and he's 36. Neither of them have ever relied on pace an awful lot and neither did RVP. Maybe injuries got the better of him, but he still should have maintained at least a bit of the class we all know he's capable of, but it's a rare occurrence now, aside from the likes of the World Cup goal vs Spain or the hatrick in the CL last 16 last season.
Yes that is true....and Sheringham did it for a lot longer! Part of me thinks its psychological. Part of his hunger or whatever it is left with Fergie. I really think he thought Fergie would be at OT for at least three more seasons - perhaps it's just really knocked him more than we think. I expect him to say as much when he releases his autobiography!!
Not a problem, Rooney is one of the best strikers in the PL - just play him up top instead of starting him in midfield.
Both are past their peak though. And that was my point, not that RvP is useless and should retire, but that he's past his peak, which is true.
People seem to be expecting him to replicate the form of his peak, which he won't.
Would it be that? Under Moyes, yes. Under Van Gaal? The two are clearly close as we saw before the WC.
I think its simply a question of form. Strikers go through these periods. Its not like he's had a major goal drought. The team has been stuttering a bit, we've played two very tough games most recently. I wouldnt be surprised at all if Van Persie starts against Palace and gets a couple of goals and gets back into some decent form from there.
He could be too old and past it, of course. Everyone is different, just because Sheringham or Drogba played into their late 30s doesnt mean Van Persie will. But there is no reason why he has to be finished at the highest level just because he is 31.
This thread... 
He'll come good.
That analysis by Nev shows why. We were picking him out with those runs in SAF's last season. Moyes' season was a write off, and we've had an influx of new players, new system this season so, with all things, it'll just take time.
That analysis by Nev shows why. We were picking him out with those runs in SAF's last season. Moyes' season was a write off, and we've had an influx of new players, new system this season so, with all things, it'll just take time.
If a club came in for him in January - would you be happy to see him shipped out?
He hasn't done enough this season so far but I still think the quality is there. Problem is that RVP needs to start scoring otherwise he will become a problem for LVG.
He hasn't done enough this season so far but I still think the quality is there. Problem is that RVP needs to start scoring otherwise he will become a problem for LVG.
No chance. Falcao hasnt shown he can stay fit, Wilson hasnt proved himself at this level and Van Gaal doesnt seem to like Rooney as a striker. Losing Van Persie is the last thing we need.
Regarding the G Nev analysis I have been surprised by just how poor we are in terms of picking up runs from our forward players. These days there are so many times in a game that I can clearly see someone in a great position being ignored. Robin himself seems to always try to take the ball inside himself rather than look at a pass. I am hoping that with time players will develop a better understanding but I have been surprised that there has been very little improvement in this area
If we're going to 'balance the squad' and change to a 4-3-3 I reckon we need to shift out two of RVP, Mata, Rooney and Falcao and bring in quality out wide and at the back. On current form you've got to say that neither Mata or RVP have made huge cases for themselves this season but Falcao is still a question mark injury-wise so its really too early to call.
We dont have midfielders capable of giving those passes, when was the last time we even scored from a through ball in the air? It fecking annoys me, our players seem to do it the hard way, cant remember the last time we scored a simple tap in from a cross/pass. Those simple goals like Mata his goals, or RVP vs Swansea, Herrera vs QPR, di Maria vs Everton, why arent we doing those easy things more. To become a force, I think we should get the basics right first.
Well to be fair RVP has actually missed about 5 one on ones this season, not classic ones but like the one he missed vs Chelsea. Those chances come through because of superb movement from RVP and then someone putting a perfect pass. Sadly Robin has hit the keeper on those all season
True, but even that is just too little, watched Arsenal last weekend, never spotted a bigger difference, it isnt coming from Sanchez only, also from Welbz, Cazorla, and the other midfielders. Only one making runs in our team is RVP, the only reason why he should stay, what'd happen if we left him out, poor crosses from Januzaj/di Maria all game. There is like no routine in our game so far, no threat, no penetration, it's all way too complicated. Just watched these highlights on TV, and I asked myself, why cant it go easy like this? http://www.footytube.com/video/borussia-mgladbach-hoffenheim-nov02-312222?ref=lchan_vidgrid
That Gary Neville video does highlight a problem, a long standing problem for us, we lack creativity centrally. Especially when we have Di Maria out wide, Herrera on the bench and Carrick in defence.
Van Persie isn't at his best but its not solely to blame I don't think. When Falcao is fit I'd love to see him as our lone striker, while not the quickest his movement off the ball is fantastic. As long as our players find him, obviously.
Also, I'd love for Sky to have an option to watch the game with that camera view Neville is using to illustrate his points.
Van Persie isn't at his best but its not solely to blame I don't think. When Falcao is fit I'd love to see him as our lone striker, while not the quickest his movement off the ball is fantastic. As long as our players find him, obviously.
Also, I'd love for Sky to have an option to watch the game with that camera view Neville is using to illustrate his points.
This thread...
what's funny about it...
Can't really say Wilson has had a proper chance under Van Gaal yet. Yes, he's had a couple of sub appearances but overall, not a lot of game time
At least he is aware of his form then. Hopefully he can turn it around.
Love his comment at the end about Savage
Man Utd 1:0 Crystal Palace
Don't think that chance he fluffed was as easy as it looked, but he isn't striking it well lately (for the most part). What really bothers me is that he is so selfish at times it is actually scary. I don't know if he is getting criticism for not scoring and this makes him desperate to hog chances despite others around him being in better positions but it hurts the team.
The free pass continues.
The trouble with RvP is he will never again be as good as he was in his last year at Arse and his first year with us. Hope Van Gaal sees this and takes him off his automatic rubberstamp teamsheets.
When Falcao is fit, he needs to be dropped. Falcao provide much better movement and energy upfront. I am unsure whether he should be dropped for wilson at the moment.
He needs to be benched. Back up striker. Falcao and Rooney as first choice strikers.
His inclusion in our first team is annoying me now. I think it's hurting us a lot.
Should have done much better with that chance but this formation hurts him and Di Maria. The service to him is so poor at times, he's feeding off scraps and gets few chances so when he misses, it's magnified. But that said I would bench him when Falcao is fit.
Seriously, it's time to shove him into the Teddy Sheringham role. I'm begging for that, PLEASE!
You mean the bench?
He's incredibly frustrating, he slows us down so much and messes up some easy chances. Please get well soon Falcao!
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