He looked very relaxed, his appearance on the pitch was deadly like it should be... That mood and smile was very reassuring. He definitely knows something we don't, yet.
Robin van Persie | 2012-14 Performances
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Except that's bollocks.
Van Persie scores goal every 111,6 minutes this season, Rooney every 174,3 - in all competitions. Both scored 3 goals from penalties in total. If he was commited 100%, I wouldn't know, but for a player who doesn't care and spent season sulking, he is really effective, especially if you compare it with player without who "we would be relegated this year".
I didn't count assists first time when I said effective, because being effective surely means scoring goals, but even with assist included he in't half bad, having assist or goal in every 91 minute. Rooney is on 81, and considering probably half of his assists were from setpieces, van Persie is still not far off.
How about checking it yourself before calling my opinion bollocks?
When I read that part I was conviced you were talking about Rooney!
It really fits him better than RvP.
I had forgotten just how good RVP is.
The difference between him and Rooney on the ball in terms of control and passing is incredible.
Hopefully we can have a whole season of both of them fit next year, so at least LVG has some difficult decisions to make.
The difference between him and Rooney on the ball in terms of control and passing is incredible.
Hopefully we can have a whole season of both of them fit next year, so at least LVG has some difficult decisions to make.
I don't care if the stats show that RVP may have been better than Rooney or not - to say that he's performed better than Rooney this season is crazy. If it wasn't for Rooney for the first half of the season, we would be lower down than 7th place right now. RVP wasn't around when we were at our worst under Moyes as he was injured - Rooney had to carry the rest.
Apologies for being quite harsh in brushing your opinion aside like that, but to say he's been better than Rooney this season strikes me as crazy-talk and sheer underestimation of Rooney carrying the team this season at times.
You will find quite a few ppl who will say RvP has been better. Both have been below par, but when RvP hasn't been injured he has had more good games than Rooney imo. I could also say we would have been better off with 10 men against Bayern in both legs or in our last game against Everton than with a truely terrible Rooney in thise games.
His Dutch accent, i have to admit i have a little hard on whenever i hear him speak English. And i'm sure you lot do as well
It's a bit sad and pathetic that even in the Rvp thread the usual suspects just have to come in and whine about Rooney. As for RvP, very good little cameo last night and if he plays that way then hopefully he has a good season next year around. Giving him the captaincy as was suggested somewhere is a bit ridiculous considering he's just been here 2 seasons.
Some interesting correlations, eh?
I agree and understand the rest of what you said but this I find a bit strange tbh. Does it matter if he's nicer ? I think they're all cnuts tbh.
They're all cnuts. Rich cnuts at that. Except Phil Jones, of course. RVP is a rich cnut who used to play for Arsenal until very recently. He's a very good footballer. I'll take whatever he can serve up for us. But if you want me to positively like the cnut, forget it. I prefer Rooney, actually. He's a twat too, but I've become used to him over the years.
Each to his own on that.
Each to his own on that.
Harry Enfield. Cops in Amsterdam. Anyone remember that?
RvP is superior to Rooney in almost every single way. The only problem was his attitude this season; but lets not pretend Rooney wouldn't have done the same if SAF wasn't here and he never got his Messi-like £300k p/w wages and Moyes literally licking his arsehole. The fact RvP has had an absolutely shit season yet the stats still show he has been pretty productive say it all. This is considered to be one of Rooney's best seasons, and in all honesty it wasn't even that amazing compared to 09-11. Best of a bad bunch is what springs to mind.
I don't think anyone in their right mind would say this has been one of Rooney's best seasons. This was a season of him not being as poor by his standards of last season and more importantly was able to get some results for us despite everything else team/management.
These are two top strikers and I don't think anyone can say definitively say one is superior to the other as fact since both, when on their game are the best around.
Meh you're right on them all being cnuts, but I just find RvP more likeable than Rooney. Maybe I've just got fed up with the transfer requests, the sulking and the fact he was treated like he was bigger than the club under Moyes. Watch RvP's post match interview from yesterday for example - you can't help but find that excitement he holds contagious.
I've watched plenty of other Rooney interviews where he looked just as excited and happy. It holds absolutely no importance to me. People change their moods so quickly anyway
Why should that matter. If he is popular and has leadership qualities whilst commanding respect from his manager and his teammates he's a worthy candidate.
You don't give someone the armband or deny someone the armband because of how long they've been at the club. If someone believes he has the right credentials then that is all that matters.
From my point of view, I don't see a genuine captain in any of our players. RVP and Rooney don't strike me as great leaders because as forwards they are quite self-involved at times. On the occasions Rooney has been captain this season I haven't seen anything that makes me think he looks natural in the role. It'd probably be the same with RVP.
Woulndt you?? Moyes is as inspring as a table cloth.
Incorrect. A tablecloth is always on top of the table. Moyes has never been more than a mid-table manager.
You're trolling. You have to be.
You've just solved everything. Last seasons kit = tablecloth. Take away the tablecloth = no longer at the top of the table. This is all Nike's fault.
van Persie really improved against Hull. His movement was much better, he linked up better with his teammates, and he just looks more sprightly than he was before.
I think the fact that the dressing room atmosphere improved with Giggs coming in has helped van Persie. He's played much more positively than he ever has, this season.
I think the fact that the dressing room atmosphere improved with Giggs coming in has helped van Persie. He's played much more positively than he ever has, this season.
Surely you can't be serious with this post? RVP won us the 20th title almost single handedly, he's a fantastic player. If Kagawa, Welbeck and Chicharito were good enough or Sir Alex believed they were going to be good enough, I am certain we wouldn't have signed RVP. But the fact remains RVP is our best player, to suggest he has stunted other players development is absurd, nothing wrong with having competition for places, in theory it should get the players to perform better to keep their place.
johnmufc is just trolling. I like Kagawa, but he has done nothing in the couple of years he has spent at the club in contrast to RvP. If one of the very best players is available at a good price, you go for it... £24m was well worth the money, he got us almost 50 goals in a couple of seasons and won us the league title pretty much on his own last year. He might have a case with Hernandez, but Welbeck and Kagawa were afforded plenty of chances in the two seasons gone.
I think with better fitness management (it's quite obvious Moyes has mismanaged RvP) from Van Gaal we will see less injuries/knocks again next year and RvP in full form. Wouldn't be surprised if he knocks in another 25-30 league goals, we will play through him much more than we did under Fergie/Moyes.
I think with better fitness management (it's quite obvious Moyes has mismanaged RvP) from Van Gaal we will see less injuries/knocks again next year and RvP in full form. Wouldn't be surprised if he knocks in another 25-30 league goals, we will play through him much more than we did under Fergie/Moyes.
I hope he avoids injuries next season, we've missed him this year. His form has suffered as it's been a bit stop-start for him but if he can have a full, injury-free campaign next year like he had in 2012-13 then I reckon he'll be back to his best.
If we appoint Van Gaal then I reckon that would help as well. They seem to get on really well and I reckon he would get the absolute best out of Robin, which would only be a good thing for the team.
If we appoint Van Gaal then I reckon that would help as well. They seem to get on really well and I reckon he would get the absolute best out of Robin, which would only be a good thing for the team.
He seems very happy right now and I think we all know why.
He missed almost half the season and still managed to score 18 goals in 27 appearances.
Can't help but feeling you're being a bit bitter or jealous of them? *jokong*. Why on earth though it doesn't matter if someone is nice or not? RvP comes across as a nice person which is good. And I believe many of our players past and present are nice normal people (although exceptionally rich).
We have literally no-one else to give it to, should Rio and Evra not be playing next season. Giving it to the younger (even reckless) guys like Jones and Rafael is equally ridiculous. Giving to Shrek himself who has held the club to ransom not once but twice also ridiculous. Evans is the only other bet I see.
Quit being a e-psychiatrist
The fact that I think they're all cnuts should indicate you I don't care if they're nice or not. Otherwise I would never support someone like Giggs with what he did to his family for instance, whatever they do in their private lives, whoever they really are, I honestly couldn't give a feck.I put most of them in the same bracket and I'm down like that.
Amazing, really.
At least he'll be rested for next season and hopefully stays injury free like his first one.
Yeah ,he spat his dummy out until his good friend looks like being in charge.Bit of a sneaky cnut IMO
Once he does the business next season, I couldn't care less. Yeah, he probably should have made more of an effort under Moyes, but what in all honesty had he to learn from him? it was like Justin Beiber trying to give Stevie Wonder singing lessons.
haha....As football fans, we are all biased... i.e. our cnuts are one or two notches better than cnuts elsewhere.Quit being a e-psychiatrist
I put most of them in the same bracket and I'm down like that.
We are more forgiving when it comes to the United family. Your Giggs example is not relevant in this context because the word "nice" would be difficult to be use in a complicated domestic affair. If he's being abusive to his spouse then, of course he would not be regarded as a nice person. But having an affair (probably with the brother's knowledge and implicit consent?) does not affect him as a respectable footballer. *speaking with total bias of course*
I always like reading autobiographies of sportspersons I adore, and in a way it is me who wants to know the good side of these idols, how they cope, be so successful etc. More often than not, they have put in hard work and being talented helps of course. And there is always a more human side of them than you would have thought.
haha....As football fans, we are all biased... i.e. our cnuts are one or two notches better than cnuts elsewhere.
Your Giggs example is not relevant in this context because the word "nice" would be difficult to be use in a complicated domestic affair. If he's being abusive to his spouse then, of course he would not be regarded as a nice person. But having an affair (probably with the brother's knowledge and implicit consent?) does not affect him as a respectable footballer. *speaking with total bias of course*
I always like reading autobiographies of sportspersons I adore, and in a way it is me who wants to know the good side of these idols, how they cope, be so successful etc. More often than not, they have put in hard work and being talented helps of course. And there is always a more human side of them than you would have thought.
I didn't mean to use the Giggs as anything relevant to our discussion, it was just showing you how I only care about the football played on the pitch, what affect it and nothing else.
Unlike you I rarely interest myself in their lives, I never a footballer's autobiography and I hope to never will. Their human side is there obviously and most of the time it is really something that never interests me. My friends call me "robot fan".
hmmm.... and your friends would be right!
I guess you are only interested in the footballing side of Man United. One of the reasons by I like reading autobiographies maybe because of my personal interest. I was competitive in playing sports (still competitive now but have other priorities in life ) so I am always interested in top sportsmen/women's (and successful people generally) stories, which are inspirational.Wish I had more time reading though....
Haha... Well said!
When did he spit his dummy out and what did he do? Or like with Rio and all of the unnecessary shit he's been given this season, does the boot just fit?
Robin's smile Handsome devil.
I wonder if his happiness is just due to van Gaal coming in or if he knows something else. Certainly seemed confident that we'd compete next season.
Handsome devil.I wonder if his happiness is just due to van Gaal coming in or if he knows something else. Certainly seemed confident that we'd compete next season.
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