Robin van Persie | 2012-14 Performances

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Cantona07 said:
WTF? How has he being shit?? He hardly gets a pass.
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That's the thing that annoys me about the idea that Rooney's the most inconsistent top player in the world or his bottom level's miles below the rest...most top players make less mistakes than Rooney when off form because they take less chances and go into their shell a bit. They're less eager to get on the ball and when they do get it they tend to keep it simple. That's happened with van Persie recently and it happened last year as well, but when it was said before people said it was just United fans making excuses for Rooney. You'd think this run of form would make people actually appreciate Rooney more...

Rooney when he "didn't give a shit" v Chelsea had 78 touches, the 3rd most in our team. Van Persie today was 9th with 38 touches...yet no-one says he was disinterested. And of course he wasn't disinterested, neither of them were because they're both fiercely competitive individuals. It suggests a clear bias against Rooney for reasons outside of what he contributes on the pitch though.
 
Not one sniff of goal again today. If we're going to rest everyone that makes us tick other than our forwards then we might as well rest them too.
 
He hasn't been rested when I've expected him to be. I'm not sure how that helps with finishing but it probably does.
 
togg said:
He's still the reason we are as close as to regaining the championship. Apparently he's a perfectionist so i'm sure he himself is not best pleased with his form of late. Didn't he have a few spells like this at the Arse?
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He did, but not last season. Most people judge him to his world class last season and not his seasons before when he was just a good striker. He started off world class again this season, but has turned off a bit lately.

No doubt he'll save it for the bridge :nervous:
 
I haven't seen him play but last 10 games for us last season he didn't score in 7 of the games. After 28 games he had 26 goals but finished with 30 at the end of the season.

Maybe just coincidence but as much as it pains me he is the reason you are going to be PL champions, the title was won the moment you signed him. I think throughout this season your team hasn't been the most convincing at times but he has been the difference maker.
 
He was woeful tbh. I'd "rest" him against Sunderland and go with Rooney and Hernandez.
 
JazzG said:
Maybe just coincidence but as much as it pains me he is the reason you are going to be PL champions, the title was won the moment you signed him. I think throughout this season your team hasn't been the most convincing at times but he has been the difference maker.
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Considering what happened last season, and the fact that City have gotten worse, I'm almost certain we'd have won it without him, tbh.
 
The Don said:
One for the resident statos, how many goals has RVP scored this season when starting with Welbeck in the team?
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Well Don, in 38 appearances in all competitions this season. Robin has only scored in 3 games that he and Welbeck have both started together.

Is that significant? Who knows, however I can't remember any good link up play between them and they don't seem to have formed any kind of partnership, to speak of.

I only noticed this as a good run of games for Welbeck coincided with a bad run of scoring for RVP. Probably nothing in it, but maybe they need to work on figuring out each other's game.
 
Welbeck hasn't really played much as a forward though, has he? It's coincidence more than anything... Welbeck's link up play is superb.
 
Sally Cinnamon said:
Welbeck hasn't really played much as a forward though, has he?
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Maybe not an out and out striker, but definitely in a very advanced position.
Today isn't the first time I've noticed it but a good few times, when Danny is playing RVP sees less of the ball. A lot of the play goes through Danny as he is a great outlet and can run well with the ball. He won't always pick out a good pass to a striker though, as he hasn't yet fully matured in his decision making.

My take on it is that they don't seem to play very well together in as far a linking up with each other etc.
 
The Don said:
Well Don, in 38 appearances in all competitions this season. Robin has only scored in 3 games that he and Welbeck have both started together.

Is that significant? Who knows, however I can't remember any good link up play between them and they don't seem to have formed any kind of partnership, to speak of.

I only noticed this as a good run of games for Welbeck coincided with a bad run of scoring for RVP. Probably nothing in it, but maybe they need to work on figuring out each other's game.
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Haven't checked the entire season but from Boxing Day to the end of January Van Persie scored 7 goals in 7 matches with Welbeck being on the pitch for 6 of the goals. There was one fantastic assist by Danny where he laid it almost on a plate for RVP against Wigan that sticks out in my mind.

I think Van Persie is more about him than Danny.
 
FlawlessThaw said:
Haven't checked the entire season but from Boxing Day to the end of January Van Persie scored 7 goals in 7 matches with Welbeck being on the pitch for 6 of the goals. There was one fantastic assist by Danny where he laid it almost on a plate for RVP against Wigan that sticks out in my mind.

I think Van Persie is more about him than Danny.
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In the Wigan match, specifically, Danny only came on in the 78th min. Robin had ample time to impose himself on the game, in regards to how much he was involved in the build up etc. He did score twice in that match, though.

In the other games I think a couple of those were, either Danny starting and RVP coming on or vice versa.

Maybe there is nothing to what I'm suggesting, at all. Maybe it's all circumstantial but I've just noticed that more often that not, when they both start a game, RVP seems to be less involved.
 
Chabon said:
Considering what happened last season, and the fact that City have gotten worse, I'm almost certain we'd have won it without him, tbh.
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Don't be so sure about that, he has kept your momentum going. Part of City's problem is your lot just don't look like slipping up even when you're playing bad and it has had a demoralising effect on them, they have crumbled under the pressure of being current title holders and having your lot just keep winning an winning, you're on course for a record points total. Having him in the team I think has given the whole team a huge lift in confidence as he is a genuine match winner and has proven that this season.
 
The Don said:
In the Wigan match, specifically, Danny only came on in the 78th min. Robin had ample time to impose himself on the game, in regards to how much he was involved in the build up etc. He did score twice in that match, though.

In the other games I think a couple of those were, either Danny starting and RVP coming on or vice versa.

Maybe there is nothing to what I'm suggesting, at all. Maybe it's all circumstantial but I've just noticed that more often that not, when they both start a game, RVP seems to be less involved.
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I think in these kinds of situations you have to put the data into context. Welbeck is largely in and out of the side and he has shown he has linked up well with Van Persie. I don't really think it makes much difference whether or not Welbeck starts with Van Persie or not, the latter is a world class player who is one of the most adaptale as well.

Probably worth comparing how Van Persie links up with Welbeck to how he links up with Young and Valencia rather than Rooney and Hernandez. Welbeck's been playing in a more similar position to Young and Valencia than the strikers.
 
FlawlessThaw said:
I think in these kinds of situations you have to put the data into context. Welbeck is largely in and out of the side and he has shown he has linked up well with Van Persie. I don't really think it makes much difference whether or not Welbeck starts with Van Persie or not, the latter is a world class player who is one of the most adaptale as well.

Probably worth comparing how Van Persie links up with Welbeck to how he links up with Young and Valencia rather than Rooney and Hernandez. Welbeck's been playing in a more similar position to Young and Valencia than the strikers.
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I kind of was doing that. I wasn't comparing them as strike partners, they haven't played but a few games together as proper strikers.
 
In that case I'd imagine you see similar numbers for Young and Valencia particularly if you look at combined starts.
 
Average game from him where he never really got involved a lot. Though that is more as a result of the team as a whole, than anything I think. Really would like him to get a goal soon as I think he is feeling a bit of pressure of not scoring for a bit. Once he gets that goal I think his form will pick up again and the goals will come back in a flood.
 
He really needs a goal. I don't know if his confidence is down or what, I doubt it, but he has been poor recently. He is giving the ball away so cheaply. Luckily Rooney has found his scoring boots.
 
Time to drop him and give Hernandez a run.

He's been absolutely woeful the last few games, we're not Arsenal!
 
Eyepopper said:
Time to drop him and give Hernandez a run.

He's been absolutely woeful the last few games, we're not Arsenal!
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Needs to score though. I'd rather you played him in the replay rather than Hernandez that's for sure, although I'll probably end up eating my words.
 
ItsEssexRob said:
Needs to score though. I'd rather you played him in the replay rather than Hernandez that's for sure, although I'll probably end up eating my words.
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Yeah but everyone knows that Hernandez and Chelsea have a special relationship. Like Drogba had with Arsenal. So that's not fair on RvP.
 
Cantona07 said:
I disagree. He is a quality player. He does not need to be dropped. All he needs is a goal and we all know no matter how bad his form is now, you cannot take away the fact he is our best finisher.
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That'd be Hernandez for me. RVP can score more varieties of goals, Yes, but in the box, I'd rather have a chance fell to Hernandez than anyone else.

Regarding RVP, its a matter of getting 1 goal. he hasnt scored for a while but his overall play has been good though not as good as his start here. Nothing to worry about.
 
Cantona07 said:
I disagree. He is a quality player. He does not need to be dropped. All he needs is a goal and we all know no matter how bad his form is now, you cannot take away the fact he is our best finisher.
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Over the past few weeks Hernandez might question that one.

Players should play on form not reputation, class or not the last few weeks he's been our worst forward.
 
Eyepopper said:
Over the past few weeks Hernandez might question that one.

Players should play on form not reputation, class or not the last few weeks he's been our worst forward.
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I'd start Hernandez at the Bridge for sure. Who plays with him is another thing.
 
Eyepopper said:
It really hasn't.
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He wasnt upto the mark yesterday. Agreed.

I dont blame him for the Chelsea performance because we were diabolical in the entire 2nd half. Not his fault if players only know how to hoof the ball under pressure.

In 2 of our biggest games this season and in recent weeks, he was absolutely fantastic at the Bernebau and one of the biggest reasons we got the result there even though he missed a sitter. In the home leg too, he did well. held it up well, released runners and in general made himself a threat. not as fantastic as the away performance but still a good one.

His levels have tailed off since the start of the season, but that was inevitable.
 
Brwned said:
That's the thing that annoys me about the idea that Rooney's the most inconsistent top player in the world or his bottom level's miles below the rest...most top players make less mistakes than Rooney when off form because they take less chances and go into their shell a bit. They're less eager to get on the ball and when they do get it they tend to keep it simple. That's happened with van Persie recently and it happened last year as well, but when it was said before people said it was just United fans making excuses for Rooney. You'd think this run of form would make people actually appreciate Rooney more...

Rooney when he "didn't give a shit" v Chelsea had 78 touches, the 3rd most in our team. Van Persie today was 9th with 38 touches...yet no-one says he was disinterested. And of course he wasn't disinterested, neither of them were because they're both fiercely competitive individuals. It suggests a clear bias against Rooney for reasons outside of what he contributes on the pitch though.
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Well said.
 
Eyepopper said:
Time to drop him and give Hernandez a run.

He's been absolutely woeful the last few games, we're not Arsenal!
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Hernandez offers very little in link up play, and he's not the type of forward who'll hold the ball to bring others into play. His best assets are finishing and moving defenders away from their comfort zones.
 
But the thing is, RvP isn't really offering any buildup play right now either and he looks like he could do with a break. It'll be a good time to give Hernandez some games.
 
It's movement through the middle I think we need to be honest, our wing play is hardly setting the world on fire at the minute.

Bring Kagawa and Hernandez in and freshen things up.
 
wr8_utd said:
But the thing is, RvP isn't really offering any buildup play right now either and he looks like he could do with a break. It'll be a good time to give Hernandez some games.
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He is great at link up play. TV, and streams do not do him justice.

Strikers can only be as good as the service they receive. The issues over the last few games have been lack of service, both from the wings and the middle. RvP has only really missed a couple of easy chances over the last few weeks of any note.
 
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