Great idea because previous Brighton manager in big club worked out very well.
Roberto De Zerbi
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Great idea because previous Brighton manager in big club worked out very well.
Watch them play us of the park when they come to Old Trafford soon.
I can see that. There's more chance of Klopp leaving Liverpool next summer than Guardiola leaving City. Pep will almost certainly see out his contract.
Baha yes them too
I mean, the analogy is moving for a Poch instead of Mourinho at that juncture, given Poch at the time and De Zerbi share(d) equivalent levels of managerial experience and Poch was tipped even at Southampton/early Tottenham by influential people within the club (like SAF) as a potential candidate well prior to getting Tottenham to CL finals, competing for the league etc.
I want ETH to succeed, and there are some 'positive' aspects he's definitely brought in compared to the previous couple of managers, but the potential issues are not just 'structural' (a lot of them are, of course, with ownership, recruitment system etc). He's taking decisions around where to invest and what kind of profile of player to bring in which look unwise from the outside., based on what we've seen go wrong with previous managers - specifically (not ) creating a balanced midfield, (not) instilling a 'modern' style of play which isn't reliant upon moments or just transitioning on the break. He might turn it round but it's reasonable to speculate what a replacement plan - and manager -might look like. Not like properly run clubs don't do this kind of contingency planning as well as thinking about successions.
Maybe we should go for him in advance so scousers dont take him?
What does ETH have to turn around exactly?
Good idea. Then we could sack De Zerbi next year or maybe make him an assistant and appoint whoever City have lined up to take over from Pep. New manager in the dugout every season.
Plans change. Money and fame matters.
He is in 2m/year salary and without much chance of winning trophies, especially the big ones. At City he would probably get around 10m, and be favorites to win everything. At Italian clubs, he might get a bit more than at Brighton, but nothing crazy and also would struggle to win too much.
Ongoing flaws in midfield, for one. The closest we've had to one in recent memory was when Matic was in his 1st season and we also had Herrera in there.
Cas and Eriksen were temporary solutions, rather than a transformation of our midfield set-up. Even at the time we were getting over-run too often, and now both seem physically spent or at least even slower, and Mount doesn't look like a number 8 that can deal with defending And creating things in an essentially 2 man midfield (given how 'free' Bruno plays as the other attacking 8). There are financial constraints, sure, but there are also lots of midfielders who could make us more balanced and were available for less than Mount. Ideally, we should be signing two, partly by getting rid of players who can't deal consistently with top-level technical and positioning-orientated game, like McT, even if we're holding out hope for Mainoo, and then maybe Gore next season.
Look at how clubs lke City recruit in depth around profiles; PSG have focused a lot more on midfield in last 2 years and brought in a spread of options, and look more balanced (it's more forward indiscipline that has cost them in CL). Real Madrid ensure that they consolidate midfield options and have a balance. Even Brighton now are grounded in having at least 5 first team 'options' for 3 slots that can all fit in even as they do slightly different things.
Sure we should add one more midfielder at least but this is just one of Mount bashing posts which have been in abundance. Basically he cant do anything apparently.
Cant wait till the season is over and we're 8th.
I'm not bashing Mount. I'm saying he's not the player to play as a double 8 in this particular midfield set up alongside these particular players. No issues with him as a Bruno back-up or putting pressure on Antony as an industrious wide forward (with better decision-making than Antony), now that he's in the squad, even though I don't think RFW is his natural position either.
And 8th is a real danger (or worse- Chelsea had a very decent squad on paper last season, and how did they end up doing; ETHs clearly better than Lampard, sure, but the competition is even more fierce) unless we recruit quickly and/or he changes approach quickly or Hojlund comes in and is a miracle. I don't want to see us that low, but people have to be prepared for the side struggling to win games this time around.
8th place was a joke but seems you think that seriously.
Not being outplayed by Spurs and Wolves would be a good start.
I meant more in general?
He’s definitely Liverpool/City bound post Klopp/Pep.
Well, it's about interpretations. But I'd just keep in mind that no-one, aside from City, is guaranteed top 4.
There are sides below us building better foundations- even Villa, who got thrashed last game, had spells of playing more fluently than we did against Spurs and have a more solid midfield. 10th or 11th might be an exaggeration, but falling to 7th, for instance, is not a tall order; 8th if Rashford proves erratic. No-one seems as lax about creating a cohesive team as us - the only unequivocal improvement has been with the goalkeeper and being able to play a higher line/relieve pressure through having Onana to recirculate.
Going from 3rd to 8th would be a big fall from grace, even though our transfer window has been bad if we keep our home record and improve our away form I dont think we'll fall that far. Not all of 7 or 8 clubs will have a great season in the same time, it never happens that way.
A big part of our recruitment is the data we get from Tony Bloom’s betting company, Starlizard. As chairman he sells the data to Brighton and not to any other clubs. Given that that dathas made him billions, it’s pretty good.
But it’s fair to say not all our decisions are good, we get alot of press of press for the good ones like Caicedo and De Zerbi, but not nearly as much for Jahakanbash and that dreadful season under Hyypia when we would have been relegated from the championship if it hadn’t been for Hughton taking over.
Recently we’ve had far more hits than misses but it’ll change at some point.
No Potter made us look great, the difference between Brighton before Potter and during Potter’s tenure was like night and day. I know he gets a lot of shit for his time at Chelsea, but he played a big part in turning Brighton into the team and style you see today.
Difference is you have given up on him already thinking it's likely he gets fired this season. It's a bit early for that call.
Poster is being Sarcastic I am quite certain of it , but its becoming more and more difficult to discern who is being serious and who is taking the Piss on this forum .
Of course I'm sarcastic. Shame some of the posters are not...
think the timing of the manager changes have ended up being l ideal to keep progressing too, would think de Zerbi’s reign will be the peak though
I know mate , Having Doubts about Ten Hag is Ok and Constructive criticism is also well and good but some are taking it too far by actively willing him to fail .
It's a new season We are trying to implement a new system bedding in new players give it some time atleast before making any definitive judgement .
Completely forgot about Potter. Is he still out in the wild? Last I heard he was wanted in France.
Ah no, cafe is not having that.
What did he do there? Steal some bérets?
Höjlund must be huge success if we are to finish top 4. De Zerbi should be our next manager. Can easily see us missing CL football next season.
Had we been looking for new manager this season then He should have been definitely on the list but in future who knows let alone be Our No 1 target things can change pretty quicky in world of football .
Really like watching De Zerbi's Brighton play. Clearly an excellent manager. I think ETH did well results-wise to come 3rd and win the EFL Cup, but tbh even with that I was quite disappointed with the actual style of football. I was expecting much more emphasis on improving our possession than we've seen. Tbh I don't think there's been much improvement in our tactics on the ball to what we saw under Ole. Defensively there has been improvement, but I'm also very aware that bringing in a world class dm like Casemiro into a team that had no dm was always likely to make a big improvement to that. Still think the work rate off the ball has improved, so I'll give ETH credit for that.
If we fail to make top 5, ETH's job needs to be at risk considering the amount of money we've spent and his decision to push for Mount on a limited budget being very questionable, especially after his push for Antony also largely being responsible for limiting our spending going forward. Hopefully that won't be the case and things will improve, but if not, De Zerbi would definitely be one of the outstanding candidates to replace him for me.
If we fail to make top 5, ETH's job needs to be at risk considering the amount of money we've spent and his decision to push for Mount on a limited budget being very questionable, especially after his push for Antony also largely being responsible for limiting our spending going forward. Hopefully that won't be the case and things will improve, but if not, De Zerbi would definitely be one of the outstanding candidates to replace him for me.
True that. I even think we should get him asap, skip this disastrous season which is unwrapping.
Clueless post. You had no idea of Brighton before and during Potter before you decided to type that otherwise you wouldn’t come up with this rubbish.
De Zerbi has excelled (to a point) at clubs who have an underdog 'style' of play in Sassuolo and Brighton.
I won't lump Donetsk in that as they are expected to be around the top of the table and thus are not an underdog.
He struggled at the start of his managerial career as Palermo expect bigger and better things, also Benevento didn't really stand a chance in serie A.
I think it'd be a massive gamble to take a manager like De Zerbi at a big club, similar situation to Potter in a way.
If people are looking at De Zerbi, then why not Marco Silva as well for example.
I won't lump Donetsk in that as they are expected to be around the top of the table and thus are not an underdog.
He struggled at the start of his managerial career as Palermo expect bigger and better things, also Benevento didn't really stand a chance in serie A.
I think it'd be a massive gamble to take a manager like De Zerbi at a big club, similar situation to Potter in a way.
If people are looking at De Zerbi, then why not Marco Silva as well for example.
He’s miles better than Potter
An the wheels on the bus go round and round , round and round , round and round lets drive ETH into the ground……..do some of you actually know anything of what has unfolded at this club over 10 years, or do you wipe the hard drive and reset every 2 weeks.
Laziest sports narrative ever. Oh look we tried hiring a world class manager and he failed. Let's try a bum instead!
I feel sorry for ETH and am angry at him too, he inherited players who are anathema to any progressive style of play in Fred, Scott, Maguire, Bruno, Rashford and De Gea. The latter three were/are important cogs due to their individual ability but lack any for of tactical discipline and are quick to lose focus when things don't go their way. It's a killer in that when Bruno and Rashford lose their heads we also lose our way because it is they who are the architects of any forward play we might conjure up.
Where he hasn't helped himself is in wasting 140m on Antony and Mount. I feel, favoritism aside, Amad/Pellistiri and Mainoo/Meijbri, can provide whatever he hoped to gain from those two buys. His insistence on those two cornered us into spending eye-watering amounts that have hamstrung us to the point that we can't even add another midfielder. That's on him.
Rangnick did mention that we needed major surgery and he was run out of town. We disregarded his team building expertise because he failed as a coach - a role he hadn't played in over ten years which we enlisted him to attempt a salvage job in six months. Like in 2019 where Woodward prematurely went for Ole instead of bringing in a DOF first and then conducting a proper managerial search the decision to turn on Ralph could be another watershed moment because the same issue we had under Van Gaal, Mourinho and Ole has crept up - we now have an expensive, imbalanced and ill for purpose squad that will take years and hundreds of millions to rectify.