Robert Lewandowski

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It was Kucharski who held the talks, not Lewy. Sure, Kucharski is saying 'we' but it in the context it is him who was listening to their offer so there's nothing weird in it really. I wouldn't be surprised if Robert simply wants to get a better contract at Bayern.

And I wouldn't be surprised either if Kucharski is doing his utmost to whore him out to RM.
Yeah, he's just being his usual self. He enjoys these moments when he can put himself in the spotlight. The same rumours appeared in March, he said the same thing back then and a few days later Lewandowski said he's 100% happy to stay and rumours about an upcoming contract extension replaced the Real rumours.

There's just no way Real will pay what we'd demand this summer with 3 years left on his contract, so I'm not the slightest bit worried about it.
 
I just meant you aren't going to give a 35 year old past his peak and in physical decline 300k+ a week. Only us, American clubs and Chinese clubs are desperate and moronic enough to do that.

On Lukaku, he'd score a lot of goals for you in the Bundesliga. Whether he's good enough to lead the line for a side competing for the CL is doubtful though.
Probably if we play to his strength. That's not necessary the best way to win the league though. That's why I brought up Gomez. His two best goalscoring seasons of his career came in 10/11 and 11/12 and his goalscoring record was sensational for us over those two seasons, both in the league (54 in 65 games) and in the CL (21 in 22 games). We also didn't win a single trophy in those two seasons.

Elite clubs can't always focus on getting the best out of rather limited goalscorers because it hurts the team overall more than the pure stats suggest. If you face a team sitting crazy deep every week, only looking to counterattack, you need a lot more from your main striker.

I doubt we even consider Ibra at all, even though it would be fun to have him at the club for a year.
 
Oh I thinking Benzema is a cracking player. But attitude is not an easy thing to predict. Di Maria at Real looked like a player with a terrific mentality. He'd chase down lost causes, keep chipping away at opponents, always be buzzing and full of energy etc. yet when he came to a club that wasn't his first choice, he faced real issues and some of them definitely were mental. It's a big drop in quality if we're being honest to go from playing alonside Bale, Ronaldo, Modric etc. where you win most weeks and often thump teams, to a team that is a work in progress, and often in 3rd-5th positions.

But yeah, for Real, his attitude can't be faulted. Puts in a lot of miles for Ronaldo as well.
I think Di Maria was a special case as he didn't want to be here and then perhaps VG never really helped him settle by moving him around all over the pitch.
 
I just meant you aren't going to give a 35 year old past his peak and in physical decline 300k+ a week. Only us, American clubs and Chinese clubs are desperate and moronic enough to do that.

On Lukaku, he'd score a lot of goals for you in the Bundesliga. Whether he's good enough to lead the line for a side competing for the CL is doubtful though.

You clearly haven't watched Ibra the past season.

To get back on topic: I would be surprised if Lewandowski moved. Probably want a better contract. Hey, a player not using interest from us to get a pay raise.
 
Don´t forget Ronaldo.

No, No, Christiano. It was not €150M, just €93.9M plus Morata on a free transfer. You still the biggest transfer in football history.
:lol: it is funny but actually could be true :p
 
Seriously though, we had our debt to worry about (due to owners), Chelsea are trying to be more prudent, Bayern usually (barring Sanches) tend to be clever in the transfer market and Barca I've heard do have some financial constraints. I never hear any such thing with Real Madrid. They're always loaded with finances never being an issue.
That is because they are Spain's darling with the Spanish governments helping them out whenever they need it.
 
Yeah, because every kid wants to wear his shirt.
Dude is appealing and marketable like my yesterdays breakfast.
Who cares about that. He´s plaiyng for bayern and under contract till 2019. So Bayern has all the power. If Madrid want Lewandowski it will most certainly be nine figures and a world record fee.
 
Probably if we play to his strength. That's not necessary the best way to win the league though. That's why I brought up Gomez. His two best goalscoring seasons of his career came in 10/11 and 11/12 and his goalscoring record was sensational for us over those two seasons, both in the league (54 in 65 games) and in the CL (21 in 22 games). We also didn't win a single trophy in those two seasons.

Elite clubs can't always focus on getting the best out of rather limited goalscorers because it hurts the team overall more than the pure stats suggest. If you face a team sitting crazy deep every week, only looking to counterattack, you need a lot more from your main striker.

I doubt we even consider Ibra at all, even though it would be fun to have him at the club for a year.
You're correct, which is why Hernandez leaving was the right decision. He'll never be good enough to be the main striker for a prolonged period at a side wanting to win titles/Champions Leagues. Not replacing him and going into the season with the attacking options we did was obviously the mistake.

I don't think Lukaku is as limited as you think though. He can link up play well, he's very fast, strong, good finisher, good in the air and is skilful at times. The problem with him is his inconsistency. Not only does he go on streaky runs without scoring, he looks quite poor technically during those runs too. It's probably a confidence thing, he may get past it as he matures.

On Ibra, you're actually in a position where you could gamble on him. You have Robben, Muller, Ribery, Costa, Coman, Goetze...We have Martial and Rashford. We need to completely rebuild our attack, which is why bringing in a player who MAY be good enough for 12-18 months is a ludicrous idea if it means we miss out on the next generation of talent. We missed out on this generation, they're all at top clubs already hence why Woodward spends all summer sending emails, the solution to that is to sign the next generation before other top clubs snap them up too.
 
Seriously though, we had our debt to worry about (due to owners), Chelsea are trying to be more prudent, Bayern usually (barring Sanches) tend to be clever in the transfer market and Barca I've heard do have some financial constraints. I never hear any such thing with Real Madrid. They're always loaded with finances never being an issue.
They have a relatively low net spend over the last few years if I'm not mistaken. It certainly helped them big time that English clubs started to pay insane money for the players they wanted to get rid off. Real's netspend over the last 5 years is significantly lower than United's (about half of it if I'm not mistaken, something like 370m Euro for United and 190m for Real). Now netspend is a somewhat flaw way of looking at it of course, but it gives you an indication that Real aren't as crazy as some of their transfers suggest.
 
Who cares about that. He´s plaiyng for bayern and under contract till 2019. So Bayern has all the power. If Madrid want Lewandowski it will most certainly be nine figures and a world record fee.

Luckily for Real Madrid Perez cares because he is a business man, and if you look at our transfer delings last few seasons, you will notice that it's all shrewd business.

Also there's the detail about Lewandowski just being a cnut who is using Real Madrid's name to get a better contract at Bayern.
 
Maybe Chelsea can sneak Benzema now, then.
 
Still, this sort of rumbling from Real and Bayern is definitely a warning sign for us. For all our joy with the Mourinho appointment we still need to have a good transfer window and other more attractive clubs will be doing their best to nab some of those targets too. A reminder that we need to be moving quickly and decisively in the transfer market too.
 
I don't think Lukaku is as limited as you think though. He can link up play well, he's very fast, strong, good finisher, good in the air and is skilful at times. The problem with him is his inconsistency. Not only does he go on streaky runs without scoring, he looks quite poor technically during those runs too. It's probably a confidence thing, he may get past it as he matures.
Neither was Gomez as limited as many suggest. I actually rate Gomez. He had good link-up and hold-up play for Stuttgart, he's also a physical beast (or was in his prime), excellent on the counter with lots of pace. The problem was his technical ability under pressure and when he had limited space and it's in my opinion the same for Lukaku. He needs space to show that he's actually decent on the ball, space that he simply doesn't get playing for any top team in any league. I agree with your Hernandez comparison. Put Hernandez in this Everton side and he'd score consistently, probably even more than Lukaku because his off the ball movement is vastly superior.
 
I think he's a quality player, would be fantastic in any league but he's a right cnut. Him and his agent have been mouthing since the days we were linked with him at Dortmund under Ferguson. He has zero respect for the fans of his club. He moved to Bayern from Dortmund and was openly happy about it before the move, strange mentality.I seem to remember him talking about him only staying at a club for three years as well in an interview. He's a right flake, a real mercenary(no pun intended). Absolute top player, ability wise though. He's a real typical modern day selfish footballer, out for number one. Doesn't care about any club.
 
Luckily for Real Madrid Perez cares because he is a business man, and if you look at our transfer delings last few seasons, you will notice that it's all shrewd business.
In the end it'll come down to this. He's too valuable to Bayern to sell him for a somewhat reasonable price and not a big enough upgrade on Benzema (neither commercially nor on the pitch) for Madrid to make him another record signing. He'll stay for now. Not fully convinced he'll extend his contract though, but I don't really care. He has always been 100% professional in his career no matter the contract situation.
 
Just push Zlatan's button while this lot are faffing about with all this and announce him. I'd rather we get Zlatan than Benzema. I don't rate Benzema and he seems a bit of a knob too. The bad kind of knob.
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Yeah, he's just being his usual self. He enjoys these moments when he can put himself in the spotlight. The same rumours appeared in March, he said the same thing back then and a few days later Lewandowski said he's 100% happy to stay and rumours about an upcoming contract extension replaced the Real rumours.

There's just no way Real will pay what we'd demand this summer with 3 years left on his contract, so I'm not the slightest bit worried about it.


In my opinion Benzema is the superior striker to Lewandowski and you'd do well if you could swap. Ancelotti also knows him and rates him highly.
 
In the end it'll come down to this. He's too valuable to Bayern to sell him for a somewhat reasonable price and not a big enough upgrade on Benzema (neither commercially nor on the pitch) for Madrid to make him another record signing. He'll stay for now. Not fully convinced he'll extend his contract though, but I don't really care. He has always been 100% professional in his career no matter the contract situation.

I agree with all, including the extention part.
 
I don't think Bayern will go for Zlatan. They won't pay that much to someone his age and I think they got the perfect striker at the club to replace him in Muller. This might be good news for Gotze though.

They will sign a striker. But I'm guessing they'd go for someone younger.
It's not a good thing for Gotze.

Rummenige basically told him to leave the club or enjoy the bench.
 
In my opinion Benzema is the superior striker to Lewandowski and you'd do well if you could swap. Ancelotti also knows him and rates him highly.
Disagree. Would only have Suarez ahead of Lewa as far as CFs go.
 
Disagree. Would only have Suarez ahead of Lewa as far as CFs go.

Very underrated striker. Suarez is the standout but after that you always hear about Agüero or Lewandowski but rarely do people mention Benzema in the same breath. Only 4 goals away from breaking into top 5 Champion League topscorers of all time, 1 goal every 2 games average in over 300 caps for Madrid, double digit assists every season, very good linkup player and all that while playing second fiddle to Ronaldo. At Bayern the wingers play to set up their striker (like most teams). At Madrid Benzema plays to make life easier for Ronaldo. I don't see what Lewa does better than Benzema. At worst they are on the same level.
 
Very underrated striker. Suarez is the standout but after that you always hear about Agüero or Lewandowski but rarely do people mention Benzema in the same breath. Only 4 goals away from breaking into top 5 Champion League topscorers of all time, 1 goal every 2 games average in over 300 caps for Madrid, double digit assists every season, very good linkup player and all that while playing second fiddle to Ronaldo. At Bayern the wingers play to set up their striker (like most teams). At Madrid Benzema plays to make life easier for Ronaldo. I don't see what Lewa does better than Benzema. At worst they are on the same level.

Agree with this. Benzema is ridiculously underrated in world football.
 
There's no way they'd sign James for that much either. They actually have a transfer strategy as opposed to ourselves who just piss about blindly going from target A to B hoping someone will eventually accept.
What a ridiculous thing to say, our transfer strategy last summer was nothing short of excellent securing three important players in three days for extremely reasonable fees, plus one of the best young players in the world for a well structured payment scheme that has changed the way clubs look for securing "wonder-kids" (as evidenced by Bayern and Sanches).
 
Hopefully Bayern make madrid massively overpay thus meaning de Gea stays here at United I'm all for it, even if it means Ibrahimovic then goes to Bayern.
 
What a ridiculous thing to say, our transfer strategy last summer was nothing short of excellent securing three important players in three days for extremely reasonable fees, plus one of the best young players in the world for a well structured payment scheme that has changed the way clubs look for securing "wonder-kids" (as evidenced by Bayern and Sanches).
We gutted our already inadequate attacking options, cut the wage bill and went into the season with an inferior squad than the season before which had zero chance of winning the league (despite the "best summer ever" shite we had on here which it seems you still believe despite all evidence to the contrary). Our strategy was so "excellent" we spent the entire summer pissing about making offers for muller (confirmed by Munich) then Neymar (confirmed by his dad) and countless other "stars", we failed to replace di Maria, van Persie or Falcao (two of which were brought in the season before in another demonstration of our "excellent" strategy). We also got played by Ramos so we never actually got the CB we needed either.

And on the Martial deal (incidentally not that I give two fecks about finance, deals being structured like that isn't revolutionary, the fee we paid certainly was though) if Monaco qualify for the Champions League we don't sign him meaning we were a Monaco goal away from going into the season with Rooney as our only recognised striker. What a wonderful, marvellous strategy.

We've been woeful in the transfer market for years, how anyone can think otherwise is phenomenal. Other than Martial and Shaw our best players were here under Ferguson and we've somehow managed to replace players not deemed good enough like Rafael, Evans and Welbeck with averageness like Darmian, Rojo and Depay. 180m frittered away on nothing players. Ridiculous indeed.
 
Rummenigge put it to rest:

"Die Entscheidung ist gefällt: Wir werden Robert Lewandowski nicht abgeben, egal, welches Angebot auf den Tisch kommt. Es gibt keine Schmerzgrenze bei Robert."
"The decision has been made: We won't sell Robert Lewandowski, no matter what kind of offer lands on our desk. There is no pain threshold when it comes to Robert."

 
Kucharski whoring Lewandowski at the time of a major international tournament, cannot be. He will be on national television everyday from now saying that Bayern are a shit little club who don't deserve Lewandowski now.
 
Rummenigge put it to rest:

"Die Entscheidung ist gefällt: Wir werden Robert Lewandowski nicht abgeben, egal, welches Angebot auf den Tisch kommt. Es gibt keine Schmerzgrenze bei Robert."
"The decision has been made: We won't sell Robert Lewandowski, no matter what kind of offer lands on our desk. There is no pain threshold when it comes to Robert."

Puts the Ibra to Bayern rumours to bed too. So now only China money or United.
 
Doubt it. Bayern refused to sell Madrid Ribery. They tend not to sell big players.
As they've shown with Ballack, for example, they're even willing to let the player run down his contract if all else fails.
 
If he wants to leave, he'll leave.
Not with three years on his contract. Bayern are literally loaded in money, and they would sell only if Lewandowski really wants to leave, and Real really pays a lot of money. 100m euros, or Benzema + a lot of money might make the trick, but I doubt that Real will go that far.
 
In the market as it is it should probably be a world record fee.

Absolutely. No question.

Anyways, this won't happen in my opinion. He might be angling for a new deal.

It is possible he wants a new challenge. I expect we will see this more often in the coming years; top players at the biggest clubs moving around for new challenges in different leagues.
 
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