Who thinks we will complete the deal by noon tommrow? I think its possible giving the fact that rio isnt on the plane. I still think that Leeds will hold out for 40million. That dickhead of a chairman hasnt said once that he will accept bids of 35million. I would of hoped to get him for no more than 28million but looks like where gona have to pay 30+
Rio Ferdinand Saga. (RIO ASKS FOR TRANSFER)
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Ridsdale gives us until noon tomorrow. Cnut.
Ridsdale gives us until noon tomorrow. Cnut.
Originally posted by An Extremely Boring Man:
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How do you rate him compared to other CB's in the Prem and in Europe? For me he has been among the three best in the Prem the last two seasons, laongside Hyypia and Desailly.
Is he the leader and organiser we need?
Strengths and weaknesses?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Oooooops sorry mate missed this amongst all the Ginger whingers shite
He has improved under DOL and is one of the potential to be one of the best CB's in Europe. He is young ambitious and not solely motivated by money - I think along with Terry, Woodgate, and Hyypia he is up there with the best.
He does get caught out of position sometimes and relies on his speed to recover too much..I was looking forward to seeing him in partnership with Woody - that would have been perfect. He can score cracking headers like the one at Anfield that time
I wish him well and think he is certainly a big part of you getting back on track with a defence that can be trusted.....like Pallister and Bruce.
Do you think a Brown/Rio pairing is what Fergie has in mind?
Originally posted by marchingontogether:
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Do you think a Brown/Rio pairing is what Fergie has in mind?</strong><hr></blockquote>
I hope they'll be given a chance to develop a partnership, but they might be too much alike - in terms of style of play I mean
Originally posted by marchingontogether:
<strong>He just fleeced you</strong><hr></blockquote>Nice choice of word there marching!
Originally posted by skivandam:
<strong>Who thinks we will complete the deal by noon tommrow? I think its possible giving the fact that rio isnt on the plane. I still think that Leeds will hold out for 40million. That dickhead of a chairman hasnt said once that he will accept bids of 35million. I would of hoped to get him for no more than 28million but looks like where gona have to pay 30+</strong><hr></blockquote>
Who mentioned £40m? We only want one player, not the rest of the team as well!
Leeds are after Gary Breen as a replacment <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />
Originally posted by True Treble Reds:
<strong>Nice choice of word there marching!
I am glad somebody was bright enough to spot it TTR
Why shouldn't Leeds issue ultimatums as they own the player Man Utd want?
As for comparing CB's I honestly though John Terry was better last season...but he might be heading to prison now.
Rio is a great reader of the game and you will never see anyone better at clearances etc but he is not a motivator at the back and he does not get stuck in. Rio was Leeds' captain through last season when they knew they had to get back in the CL and they didn't. Some of the blame falls to him on this as well.
Additonally he can just get caught cold sometimes. He seems to have everything in control and then boom....he's just watched a striker put one in the net. If oyu ever see replays where Leeds conceded goals last season..or even for england, Rio does not get stuck in or try to stop the ball going in and this is a definate weakness. That's why he needs a tough tackler playing alongside him.
Witness the 1-1 at OT last season when Leeds were 1-0 up and Rio failed to stop Solskjaer heading the ball in 3 mins from time. Also the Sweden equaliser when Rio failed to try to stop the player scoring and at the same time moved in front of Seaman to leave him unsighted for the goal. Or when he was found totally out of position against Brazil and ran back across to track Ronaldinho who just pushed the ball across to Rivaldo and Rio watched the ball into the net. Sol was out of position too but Rio left a huge gap whearas Sol was getting around Rivaldo to try and stop the ball.
However, considering all the good stuff he does these are isolated incidents so his good play outweighs his bad so therefore he is worth buying.
But he is capable of mistakes as these stuck in my mind as I kept thinking 'I hope he doesn't do that for Leeds next season'. Or whichever team he'll be playing for as it now turns out.
But overall he's a good player BUT for 30 million pounds he's not the 'rock' oyu are looking for like Stam was. He's the 'cultured' CB. So oyu'll need to be hoping like hell whoever partners him works out for that price.
As for comparing CB's I honestly though John Terry was better last season...but he might be heading to prison now.
Rio is a great reader of the game and you will never see anyone better at clearances etc but he is not a motivator at the back and he does not get stuck in. Rio was Leeds' captain through last season when they knew they had to get back in the CL and they didn't. Some of the blame falls to him on this as well.
Additonally he can just get caught cold sometimes. He seems to have everything in control and then boom....he's just watched a striker put one in the net. If oyu ever see replays where Leeds conceded goals last season..or even for england, Rio does not get stuck in or try to stop the ball going in and this is a definate weakness. That's why he needs a tough tackler playing alongside him.
Witness the 1-1 at OT last season when Leeds were 1-0 up and Rio failed to stop Solskjaer heading the ball in 3 mins from time. Also the Sweden equaliser when Rio failed to try to stop the player scoring and at the same time moved in front of Seaman to leave him unsighted for the goal. Or when he was found totally out of position against Brazil and ran back across to track Ronaldinho who just pushed the ball across to Rivaldo and Rio watched the ball into the net. Sol was out of position too but Rio left a huge gap whearas Sol was getting around Rivaldo to try and stop the ball.
However, considering all the good stuff he does these are isolated incidents so his good play outweighs his bad so therefore he is worth buying.
But he is capable of mistakes as these stuck in my mind as I kept thinking 'I hope he doesn't do that for Leeds next season'. Or whichever team he'll be playing for as it now turns out.
But overall he's a good player BUT for 30 million pounds he's not the 'rock' oyu are looking for like Stam was. He's the 'cultured' CB. So oyu'll need to be hoping like hell whoever partners him works out for that price.
How much is he spending on his legal defence...or Chelsea is any way?
When you look at Bowyer you have two 10 million pound trials, nearly 1 million in legal fees and a pending civil case where he is being sued for a minimum 100,000. So, he's racked up a bit of money there
When you look at Bowyer you have two 10 million pound trials, nearly 1 million in legal fees and a pending civil case where he is being sued for a minimum 100,000. So, he's racked up a bit of money there
Originally posted by elmo:
<strong>Why shouldn't Leeds issue ultimatums as they own the player Man Utd want?
As for comparing CB's I honestly though John Terry was better last season...but he might be heading to prison now.
Rio is a great reader of the game and you will never see anyone better at clearances etc but he is not a motivator at the back and he does not get stuck in. Rio was Leeds' captain through last season when they knew they had to get back in the CL and they didn't. Some of the blame falls to him on this as well.
Additonally he can just get caught cold sometimes. He seems to have everything in control and then boom....he's just watched a striker put one in the net. If oyu ever see replays where Leeds conceded goals last season..or even for england, Rio does not get stuck in or try to stop the ball going in and this is a definate weakness. That's why he needs a tough tackler playing alongside him.
Witness the 1-1 at OT last season when Leeds were 1-0 up and Rio failed to stop Solskjaer heading the ball in 3 mins from time. Also the Sweden equaliser when Rio failed to try to stop the player scoring and at the same time moved in front of Seaman to leave him unsighted for the goal. Or when he was found totally out of position against Brazil and ran back across to track Ronaldinho who just pushed the ball across to Rivaldo and Rio watched the ball into the net. Sol was out of position too but Rio left a huge gap whearas Sol was getting around Rivaldo to try and stop the ball.
However, considering all the good stuff he does these are isolated incidents so his good play outweighs his bad so therefore he is worth buying.
But he is capable of mistakes as these stuck in my mind as I kept thinking 'I hope he doesn't do that for Leeds next season'. Or whichever team he'll be playing for as it now turns out.
But overall he's a good player BUT for 30 million pounds he's not the 'rock' oyu are looking for like Stam was. He's the 'cultured' CB. So oyu'll need to be hoping like hell whoever partners him works out for that price.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I don't entirely disagree with your assessment. Brown and O'Shea are both similar players, which is why I personally thing that someone like Ayala would be a better fit for our backline. Your Chairman though, rates him the "best defender in the world" but what would a muppet like him know about anything?
Incidentally, do oyu deliberately spell 'you' wrong 99% of the time or are oyu just in the habit of doing it?
With Leeds going on and on, all I can say is, I don't know how Thuram's heart is taking to all this.
Its really not the end of the world, we can always buy Thuram how and get Rio a while later.
No problem. In fact, if Wes develops phenomenally this season, we don't need Ferdinand.
Its really not the end of the world, we can always buy Thuram how and get Rio a while later.
No problem. In fact, if Wes develops phenomenally this season, we don't need Ferdinand.
Juve have said that Thuram (and Davids) are staying put for this season.
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Juventus already said that on Sunday.
Originally posted by elmo:
<strong>Why shouldn't Leeds issue ultimatums as they own the player Man Utd want?
As for comparing CB's I honestly though John Terry was better last season...but he might be heading to prison now.
Rio is a great reader of the game and you will never see anyone better at clearances etc but he is not a motivator at the back and he does not get stuck in. Rio was Leeds' captain through last season when they knew they had to get back in the CL and they didn't. Some of the blame falls to him on this as well.
Additonally he can just get caught cold sometimes. He seems to have everything in control and then boom....he's just watched a striker put one in the net. If oyu ever see replays where Leeds conceded goals last season..or even for england, Rio does not get stuck in or try to stop the ball going in and this is a definate weakness. That's why he needs a tough tackler playing alongside him.
Witness the 1-1 at OT last season when Leeds were 1-0 up and Rio failed to stop Solskjaer heading the ball in 3 mins from time. Also the Sweden equaliser when Rio failed to try to stop the player scoring and at the same time moved in front of Seaman to leave him unsighted for the goal. Or when he was found totally out of position against Brazil and ran back across to track Ronaldinho who just pushed the ball across to Rivaldo and Rio watched the ball into the net. Sol was out of position too but Rio left a huge gap whearas Sol was getting around Rivaldo to try and stop the ball.
However, considering all the good stuff he does these are isolated incidents so his good play outweighs his bad so therefore he is worth buying.
But he is capable of mistakes as these stuck in my mind as I kept thinking 'I hope he doesn't do that for Leeds next season'. Or whichever team he'll be playing for as it now turns out.
But overall he's a good player BUT for 30 million pounds he's not the 'rock' oyu are looking for like Stam was. He's the 'cultured' CB. So oyu'll need to be hoping like hell whoever partners him works out for that price.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I must say you seem to be taking a very philosophical, objective and detached approach to the whole process.
I agree Ferdinand is a risk and I'm not quite sure how he will fit with Blanc (if that's the partnership Fergie has in mind) who plays with a very similar style to Rio.
Rio + Ayala sounds a more convincing partnership to me.
Do you think a deal will be struck and for how much?
P.S. thanks for the sympathies.
Didn't take him long to get into the groove.
Leeds boss Terry Venables has described Rio Ferdinand's protracted move to Manchester United as being like "a bomb dropped in our laps".
United have until noon on Sunday to table an acceptable bid - expected to be over £30million - after Leeds chairman Peter Ridsdale set a deadline. But Venables is angry at the way United have conducted their interest, insisting he will be keener than ever to thwart the Old Trafford side's title ambitions if they poach Ferdinand.
He told the News of the World: "It's in their court now but I've had enough of it. We can't keep going on like this. It's interfering with the business of the club and our pre-season preparation. That comes into my area and I will not tolerate it."
He added: "We had a bomb dropped in our laps by United and we must deal with it in the best way we can - be we never encouraged it.
"The fact Rio is still a Leeds player shows we don't want to sell him. But if United want one of the best players in the world, they must pay the best price in the world. That's the way it is.
"They seem to think they are entitled to everything and, if they do get Rio, it will make me more and more determined to stop them lifting the title."
Leeds boss Terry Venables has described Rio Ferdinand's protracted move to Manchester United as being like "a bomb dropped in our laps".
United have until noon on Sunday to table an acceptable bid - expected to be over £30million - after Leeds chairman Peter Ridsdale set a deadline. But Venables is angry at the way United have conducted their interest, insisting he will be keener than ever to thwart the Old Trafford side's title ambitions if they poach Ferdinand.
He told the News of the World: "It's in their court now but I've had enough of it. We can't keep going on like this. It's interfering with the business of the club and our pre-season preparation. That comes into my area and I will not tolerate it."
He added: "We had a bomb dropped in our laps by United and we must deal with it in the best way we can - be we never encouraged it.
"The fact Rio is still a Leeds player shows we don't want to sell him. But if United want one of the best players in the world, they must pay the best price in the world. That's the way it is.
"They seem to think they are entitled to everything and, if they do get Rio, it will make me more and more determined to stop them lifting the title."
Leeds manager Terry Venables says that Manchester United have behaved as if "they are entitled to everything" during the Rio Ferdinand saga.
Venables wants to keep captain Ferdinand, who has been targeted by rivals Manchester United since returning from the World Cup.
The 23-year-old central defender asked for a transfer last week but his request was turned down.
If United want one of the best players in the world, they must pay the best price in the world
Terry Venables
United boss Sir Alex Ferguson has tabled two bids since but both have been turned down.
Manchester United have until midday on Sunday to table what Leeds consider an acceptable bid - expected to be over £30m - after Leeds chairman Peter Ridsdale set a deadline.
Rio's European ambition
But Venables is angry at the way United have conducted their interest, insisting he will be keener than ever to thwart the Old Trafford side's title ambitions if they poach Ferdinand.
"They seem to think they are entitled to everything and, if they do get Rio, it will make me more and more determined to stop them lifting the title," Venables said in his column for the News of the World.
"The fact Rio is still a Leeds player shows we don't want to sell him.
"But if United want one of the best players in the world, they must pay the best price in the world. That's the way it is.
Rio's reasons to move
"It's in their court now but I've had enough of it."
The issue has rattled Venables, who believes the case highlights how modern football has changed.
"Leeds stuck their neck out and offered Rio a five-year contract after paying a huge sum of money for him - £18m - to West Ham.
"To lose a player one-and-a-half years later just because that player has become so big is simply not right.
Venables wants to keep captain Ferdinand, who has been targeted by rivals Manchester United since returning from the World Cup.
The 23-year-old central defender asked for a transfer last week but his request was turned down.
If United want one of the best players in the world, they must pay the best price in the world
Terry Venables
United boss Sir Alex Ferguson has tabled two bids since but both have been turned down.
Manchester United have until midday on Sunday to table what Leeds consider an acceptable bid - expected to be over £30m - after Leeds chairman Peter Ridsdale set a deadline.
Rio's European ambition
But Venables is angry at the way United have conducted their interest, insisting he will be keener than ever to thwart the Old Trafford side's title ambitions if they poach Ferdinand.
"They seem to think they are entitled to everything and, if they do get Rio, it will make me more and more determined to stop them lifting the title," Venables said in his column for the News of the World.
"The fact Rio is still a Leeds player shows we don't want to sell him.
"But if United want one of the best players in the world, they must pay the best price in the world. That's the way it is.
Rio's reasons to move
"It's in their court now but I've had enough of it."
The issue has rattled Venables, who believes the case highlights how modern football has changed.
"Leeds stuck their neck out and offered Rio a five-year contract after paying a huge sum of money for him - £18m - to West Ham.
"To lose a player one-and-a-half years later just because that player has become so big is simply not right.
Julian Denny...I didn't mean to put down Rio in those remarks...I think he is a great player. What I was trying to do was 'damn' or highlight the transfer policy of Man Utd where they are paying 30 million for a CB who used to be a sweeper in a back 3 and even though he can play in a back 4 he needs a tough player beside him. That's all. Surely you can't argue with that.
Leeds were OK when they bought Rio because Radebe was playing alongside him but when Radebe goot injured there were some anxious moments. However, luckily Matteo worked out as a partner for Rio. I don't rate Matteo very highly but his partnership with Rio was excellent and made it to the CL semis.
Incidentally, Matteo was the CB who got stuck in and Rio was the 'clearance' CB and it worked.
I still think Rio will work out at OT and he's obviously going to be a long term investment so with your money you can afford to buy that extra CB or even Brown play with him. Because Brown is more aggressive than Rio as a player. Leeds were going to play Rio-Woodgate which is about the same age for the pairing of Wes-Rio.
Anyway, that's just my opinion. I think for that amount of money he'll be a good lomg term investment (unless he stays 18 months like at Leeds) but I can't see what partnership will be formed straight away or whether it will work out. But Rio is a class player and he will work out. He'll do his best and that's pretty good.
Veron004...I think he'll go for 30 million up front and that will be it or at least 2-4 million more on appearances etc.
And for people saying Rio can't play at Leeds anymore if he stays I noticed Roy Keane played in Ireland yesterday without incident.
I think people just don't get as worked up about these types of things anymore.
I hope you weren't being ironic when you said I was taking an objective approach because I think I am!
As for typing oyur or oyu...I do it all the time... i think it's my 'must get this uni assignment finished in 1 hour frantic typing' style. I can't fix it now so just rely on spell check...but can't be bothered fixing it myself on messageboards...So yes, I know I'm spelling it wrong but it's laziness
Leeds were OK when they bought Rio because Radebe was playing alongside him but when Radebe goot injured there were some anxious moments. However, luckily Matteo worked out as a partner for Rio. I don't rate Matteo very highly but his partnership with Rio was excellent and made it to the CL semis.
Incidentally, Matteo was the CB who got stuck in and Rio was the 'clearance' CB and it worked.
I still think Rio will work out at OT and he's obviously going to be a long term investment so with your money you can afford to buy that extra CB or even Brown play with him. Because Brown is more aggressive than Rio as a player. Leeds were going to play Rio-Woodgate which is about the same age for the pairing of Wes-Rio.
Anyway, that's just my opinion. I think for that amount of money he'll be a good lomg term investment (unless he stays 18 months like at Leeds) but I can't see what partnership will be formed straight away or whether it will work out. But Rio is a class player and he will work out. He'll do his best and that's pretty good.
Veron004...I think he'll go for 30 million up front and that will be it or at least 2-4 million more on appearances etc.
And for people saying Rio can't play at Leeds anymore if he stays I noticed Roy Keane played in Ireland yesterday without incident.
I think people just don't get as worked up about these types of things anymore.
I hope you weren't being ironic when you said I was taking an objective approach because I think I am!
As for typing oyur or oyu...I do it all the time... i think it's my 'must get this uni assignment finished in 1 hour frantic typing' style. I can't fix it now so just rely on spell check...but can't be bothered fixing it myself on messageboards...So yes, I know I'm spelling it wrong but it's laziness
Personally I'd be quite happy if we pulled out of the deal. I don't believe that Rio is worth the money they are asking. 25 mil is a fair offer, anything over is bullshit and I'm amazed our board is sanctioning a larger offer.
Originally posted by elmo:
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I hope you weren't being ironic when you said I was taking an objective approach because I think I am!
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No, it was a genuine comment. Personally, I don't think I would have such a reasoned approach if it was one of our star players e.g. RVN being poached by Real.
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Frankly I shouldn't imagine Rio wouldn't be able to stay at Leeds. He's their star player, captain of the club, record signing, he's wanted to stay by the chairman and the manager. Leeds fans will see it all as a failed attempt by arrogant United and indeed perhaps a moral victory if they hang on to Rio.
But if we don't get him, it would sound to me like we have let him down. As said before how might this affect our signing other players in the future?
If Rio doesn't come we'll need to buy someone else. The someone else will probably mean no bid for Rio for at least another year or two and after this last weeks goings on who could say that he'd take a chance on us again?
That said, he should be ours by the end of today, even if the fee is more to leeds liking than ours.
But if we don't get him, it would sound to me like we have let him down. As said before how might this affect our signing other players in the future?
If Rio doesn't come we'll need to buy someone else. The someone else will probably mean no bid for Rio for at least another year or two and after this last weeks goings on who could say that he'd take a chance on us again?
That said, he should be ours by the end of today, even if the fee is more to leeds liking than ours.
no agent these days, seems to allow a client to sign a long-term contract without some interesting get-out clauses -
someone posted a coupl of pages ago or so, that Rio has a 20-25m buyout at the end of next season - anyone know if there's any truth to this or is it just another of those
'if Terry Venables is indoors and sneezes, with Peter Ridsdale at a 37.5 degree angle, with his back to him, AND Rio's in the same room, with his left hand scratching his head, and his right foot on a black square, he gets to leave Leeds for a 5m bid from any club that doesn't have an 'H' in their name, an 'R' in their nickname or a 'T' in their stadium name, or a 10m bid from any other club, provided they are a baseball club, where they also get the keys to Elland Road. (in which case, the New York Yankees, of course, buy him for 10 and sell him to us and we get a reserve ground)
on the subject -
Vicente, the talented Valencia left-winger who strangely didn't make it into the WC squad is rumoured to have a buy-out clause worth 120m Euros! (contradicting what i said about agents above) - Weasty, perhaps you know the real figure?
someone posted a coupl of pages ago or so, that Rio has a 20-25m buyout at the end of next season - anyone know if there's any truth to this or is it just another of those
'if Terry Venables is indoors and sneezes, with Peter Ridsdale at a 37.5 degree angle, with his back to him, AND Rio's in the same room, with his left hand scratching his head, and his right foot on a black square, he gets to leave Leeds for a 5m bid from any club that doesn't have an 'H' in their name, an 'R' in their nickname or a 'T' in their stadium name, or a 10m bid from any other club, provided they are a baseball club, where they also get the keys to Elland Road. (in which case, the New York Yankees, of course, buy him for 10 and sell him to us and we get a reserve ground)
on the subject -
Vicente, the talented Valencia left-winger who strangely didn't make it into the WC squad is rumoured to have a buy-out clause worth 120m Euros! (contradicting what i said about agents above) - Weasty, perhaps you know the real figure?
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Thuram + Ayala here we come
The buy out clause is 25 million at the end of the season but that's only to clubs outside the premierleague. Rio was happy for this as his apparent ambition at the time was to move overseas after Leeds.
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