Right Winger... Who do we go for?

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FootyGirl88 said:
I say put Martial up top and put Sanchez in the #10 role. Lingard is not good enough to be starting every week for us if were serious about challenging for the title.
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Martial might also be able to operate off the front 2, I just put Lingard in as I think he'll likely start the season in pole posiiton with the manager.

Utdstar01 said:
If we stick with Tony at RWB I will cry. Could he be an option on the right side of a 3 like Walker for England?
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I don't think Valencia is good enough defensively for that, I mean Walker gets out of jail with his pace a lot, I think Bailly would be better as the RCD in the system.

United Pro said:
Pogba is the problem here. He plays markedly better when he's got midfielders around him doing the leg work. For France, he was much better playing alongside both Kante and Matuidi as opposed to just one of them.
Also, I can't see Mourinho dropping Matic.
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Mourinho's love of Matic is an issue I agree, but like you say Pogba has looked better with faster, more mobile ground coverers in there with him, and Fred's biggest asset is his ground coverage.
 
Really dried up on news about us signing a RW. Really hoping we could bring someone in until the end of the month.
 
Devil may care said:
There's nobody worth getting, Bale isn't coming here and the young options people like will be wasted under Mourinho. Since we don't seem to have anyone capable of playing there already and Sanchez doesn't want to we should switch formation to 3-5-2 and buy Sandro, the system might also help Valencia and his understudy Dalot by reducing the defensive duties, while Young could also chip in at RWB.

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If we were to play this system we could always drop Matic into CB role. He’ll be much better than Walker was for England for example as he’s better at every single attribute bar pace (and crossing at pace but irrelevant). I’d prefer that to Lindelof unless the latter really really improves.

Even without Alderweireld, between Matic, Bailly and one of Smalling/Jones we’d form a pretty solid defensive trio with ball playing capabilities.

Problem is we need at least one very good LWB to make that work. Let Young, Dalot and Valencia fight for the RWB spot.
 
If Bale can't be signed, then honestly I'd just go with Arnautovic as an effective short-term squad option that can fill in at both RW and CF, while seeing if Chong or even Greenwood can start to come good in a season or two.

People here talking about Rebic - Arnautovic is basically Rebic with an end product.

I really don't see any other worthwhile available options in the market right now.
 
Yellow Black & Red said:
If Bale can't be signed, then honestly I'd just go with Arnautovic as an effective short-term squad option that can fill in at both RW and CF, while seeing if Chong or even Greenwood can start to come good in a season or two.

People here talking about Rebic - Arnautovic is basically Rebic with an end product.

I really don't see any other worthwhile available options in the market right now.
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I’d rather we stick with Mata than sign dross like fecking Arnautovic.

We need to add real quality to our weakest positions, not add mediocre players for the sake of it.
 
What if - Kieran McKenna has been promoted to help Chong and Gomes integrate into the first team?
These two are highly talented and it might explain why we’ve been quiet on transfer rumours for the RW.
 
Garethw said:
I’d rather we stick with Mata than sign dross like fecking Arnautovic.

We need to add real quality to our weakest positions, not add mediocre players for the sake of it.
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He's neither dross nor mediocre. He's two footed, a good dribbler, quick, strong, determined, has a strong shot and is a massive twat. He adds something none of the current squad can do in bursting through and scoring goals from the right flank.

He got 11 goals and 6 assists last season for a poor West Ham side (as comparisons, Hazard scored 12 goals and got 4 assists, Mahrez 12 goals 10 assists, and Mane 10 goals 7 assists).

He'd do better than "walking pace" Mata.

 
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MadMike said:
If we were to play this system we could always drop Matic into CB role. He’ll be much better than Walker was for England for example as he’s better at every single attribute bar pace (and crossing at pace but irrelevant). I’d prefer that to Lindelof unless the latter really really improves.

Even without Alderweireld, between Matic, Bailly and one of Smalling/Jones we’d form a pretty solid defensive trio with ball playing capabilities.

Problem is we need at least one very good LWB to make that work. Let Young, Dalot and Valencia fight for the RWB spot.
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If we tried Matic in a back 3 it would have to be as the CB, he lacks the mobility to play as the RCB or LCB, he'd operate as a sweeper between to wuick athletic players like Bailly and Jones.
 
Devil may care said:
If we tried Matic in a back 3 it would have to be as the CB, he lacks the mobility to play as the RCB or LCB, he'd operate as a sweeper between to wuick athletic players like Bailly and Jones.
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I don't think he lacks as much mobility as you make it sound. I'm pretty certain he's faster than Maguire over the first 15 yards yet the latter played LCB just fine.

He's slow for a CM, not for a CB in my opinion.
 
MadMike said:
I don't think he lacks as much mobility as you make it sound. I'm pretty certain he's faster than Maguire over the first 15 yards yet the latter played LCB just fine.

He's slow for a CM, not for a CB in my opinion.
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It's not about pace, it's about mobility, he's stiff in his movement laterally, Maguire is more agile and can get out into the wide areas when needed, Matic isn't suited to that.
 
Devil may care said:
It's not about pace, it's about mobility, he's stiff in his movement laterally, Maguire is more agile and can get out into the wide areas when needed, Matic isn't suited to that.
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I think we'll have to agree to disagree here. Agility does not improve your lateral movement nor does it get you in the wide areas faster.
 
MadMike said:
I think we'll have to agree to disagree here. Agility does not improve your lateral movement nor does it get you in the wide areas faster.
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Of course it does, neither are fast but if you are agile your body moves into positions to shift direction quicker which is important if part of your role is to get out to wings at times. .
 
I wonder if United could get Bernardeschi from Juve. With Douglas Costa, Dybala and Cuadrado (Having added Cancelo, he'd primarily be a forward again) they have more than enough right sided players. Someone like Bernardeschi would be starved of game time. He's predomi left footed too. Juve could recoup 50-60m and ease some of the squad burden too. I don't see then willing to part with Dybala.
 
Yellow Black & Red said:
He's neither dross nor mediocre. He's two footed, a good dribbler, quick, strong, determined, has a strong shot and is a massive twat. He adds something none of the current squad can do in bursting through and scoring goals from the right flank.

He got 11 goals and 6 assists last season for a poor West Ham side (as comparisons, Hazard scored 12 goals and got 4 assists, Mahrez 12 goals 10 assists, and Mane 10 goals 7 assists).

He'd do better than "walking pace" Mata.

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I doubt he can be any worse than Mata tbh he only scored 3 goals for us last season.
 
Yellow Black & Red said:
He's neither dross nor mediocre. He's two footed, a good dribbler, quick, strong, determined, has a strong shot and is a massive twat. He adds something none of the current squad can do in bursting through and scoring goals from the right flank.
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Well, let's just have a look at his RW statistics mate:
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CF: 18 - 10 - 5
LW: 9 - 1 - 2
RW: 4 - 0 - 0
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I'd actually love having him at OT. He'd be a really good Lukaku backup, and if you can convince him he'll be good at RW as well - that would be perfect.
 
Class of 63 said:
We should take a gamble on 20 year old Ismaïla Sarr(Rennes and Senegal), and alternate him with Tahith Chong on the right if Mourinho persists with the 4-2-3-1 formation
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If we sign Fred and re-sign Fellaini, I guess we are going to play 433.
Sarr has been quality the games I have seen.
 
Yellow Black & Red said:
He's neither dross nor mediocre. He's two footed, a good dribbler, quick, strong, determined, has a strong shot and is a massive twat. He adds something none of the current squad can do in bursting through and scoring goals from the right flank.

He got 11 goals and 6 assists last season for a poor West Ham side (as comparisons, Hazard scored 12 goals and got 4 assists, Mahrez 12 goals 10 assists, and Mane 10 goals 7 assists).
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I quite like Arnautovic and wouldn't mind him as a back-up for Lukaku (and I'm sure he'd get the occasional match out wide), but I wouldn't want him to come in to play regularly on the right. He's not good enough or consistent enough there.
 
Bale was the obvious one but unlikely now Ronaldo has gone I expect him to stay. Also think Dembele isnt going to be prepared to leave Barcelona after one injury led season and will fight for his place. I think it is time for Mata to be sold and I would go for Malcom, left footed, fast, a great shot and tricky too. Would bring balance.
ALl the other names like Mertens, Rebic, Arnatauvic, Peresic, Lozano etc etc for different reasons with all of them, I would rather stick with Lingard and give opportunities to Gomes, Chong, Perreira and even Mason Greenwood over the season on the right than sign any of them
 
jesperjaap said:
Bale was the obvious one but unlikely now Ronaldo has gone I expect him to stay. Also think Dembele isnt going to be prepared to leave Barcelona after one injury led season and will fight for his place. I think it is time for Mata to be sold and I would go for Malcom, left footed, fast, a great shot and tricky too. Would bring balance.
ALl the other names like Mertens, Rebic, Arnatauvic, Peresic, Lozano etc etc for different reasons with all of them, I would rather stick with Lingard and give opportunities to Gomes, Chong, Perreira and even Mason Greenwood over the season on the right than sign any of them
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Do you consider Malcom a better player than Pulisic and Bailey?
 
Fer said:
Do you consider Malcom a better player than Pulisic and Bailey?
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Havent really seen anything of Bailey at all to be honest. I can remember Pulisic at Dortmund. He is primarily left sided which kind of makes it a no go in the first place. I do think he is a Mourinho player, I also think he is generally better for his country than club. I liked him best when he was more of a wing back. Think he is a good player though, a poor mans Robben but like Arnautavic I dont see the point of signing somebody approaching 30 that isnt world class and that would add a lot to our team, especially at the prices being mentioned.
I am not saying Malcom is better than either, he is totally different though and what we dont have on the right is a player with pace and trickery running with the ball that is exciting and can beat player, cut in and create and score great goals. We have in Lingard a player that is great running and mvement wise without the ball and in Mata a decisive and clever player, but for me hs is a number 10 and doesnt have the pace at all to be playing on the right, I think as much as I love the guy he was a poor signing for what we needed and with Lingards huge improvement the last 18 months isnt really needed as a squad player so much either now.
Originally I would have went for Dybala, which is a possibility with Ronaldo going to Juve. But I think a lot of his qualities are movement without the ball like Lingard and though he is a great finisher and tricky too I just think Malcom brings great pace and direct dribbling that we dont have on the right like we do if they perform on the left in Rashford, Sanchez and Martial. It is a tricky one as I really like the look of Gomes, Greenwood and Chong who can all play there too but no guarantees with youngsters and they are probably mot ready for a while yet
 
67 pages but does Mourinho even want a new right winger? Didn't he say he was happy with the attack?
 
Fer said:
If we sign Fred and re-sign Fellaini, I guess we are going to play 433.
Sarr has been quality the games I have seen.
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Maybe, maybe not, I wouldn't be surprised if we started this season with Herrera(to be replaced by Fred, when and if he gets up to speed) alongside Matic, with Pogba playing in the position he excelled in at Juventus widest left of a three ahead of them, and Fellaini will almost certainly play further forward still(and mostly as a substitute anyway)

Hadn't really seen a lot of Sarr prior to the World Cup, and when I did he played on the left or centrally but he looked a natural on the right for Senegal in Russia with an impressive change of pace.

Would much rather take a chance on a rough diamond like Sarr, than spunk £50-60m on somebody like Willian, and we'd probably get him for ½ the price as well.
 
cathari said:
Well, let's just have a look at his RW statistics mate:
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I'd actually love having him at OT. He'd be a really good Lukaku backup, and if you can convince him he'll be good at RW as well - that would be perfect.
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If you look at his highlights of last season, even though he was officially listed as playing CF, a significant chunk of his goals and assists come from him being out on the right flank, and then either cutting inside on to his left foot, or drifting in to meet the ball at the right-side far post.
 
jesperjaap said:
Bale was the obvious one but unlikely now Ronaldo has gone I expect him to stay. Also think Dembele isnt going to be prepared to leave Barcelona after one injury led season and will fight for his place. I think it is time for Mata to be sold and I would go for Malcom, left footed, fast, a great shot and tricky too. Would bring balance.
ALl the other names like Mertens, Rebic, Arnatauvic, Peresic, Lozano etc etc for different reasons with all of them, I would rather stick with Lingard and give opportunities to Gomes, Chong, Perreira and even Mason Greenwood over the season on the right than sign any of them
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It's still a season or two too soon for Chong and Greenwood.

I don't think Malcom is quite good enough, and he's at an age where he would get in the way of Chong and Greenwood eventually getting game time.

Class of 63 said:
Hadn't really seen a lot of Sarr prior to the World Cup, and when I did he played on the left or centrally but he looked a natural on the right for Senegal in Russia with an impressive change of pace.

Would much rather take a chance on a rough diamond like Sarr, than spunk £50-60m on somebody like Willian, and we'd probably get him for ½ the price as well.
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Similar to Malcom, with Sarr I don't see that he's good enough - he's tricky, but his end product is still very poor. He would also get in the way of Chong and Greenwood.

There are no young options on the market who appear to have top drawer potential. RW is one position where I think it would make the most sense to get in a player which would have an immediate impact in the short term, while being patient to see if Chong and Greenwood can progress enough over the next couple of years or if any other Mbappe or Dembele level young talents appear on the market instead.
 
It depends what we're searching for.

If we want someone to cut inside and score goals then I guess we can give a second look to Lozano. He's fast, he's very technically gifted, he's versatile (ie he can play on both flanks) and he'll score goals. If we want the Perisic type of winger then Federico Chiesa should be our man. Similarly to Lozano he's comfortable on both flanks. However he differs in terms of characteristics. Chiesa is hardworking, he's a better crosser but he scores less goals. He won't come in cheap however Fiorentina would rather sell him to us then seeing him end up at Juventus. If we want someone in between then Bernardeschi would be an interesting option. He lacks the pace Chiesa have but he's got more goals in him. Similarly to all of them he can play in both flanks he's taller then Chiesa and might turn in the winger Mou loves. In my opinion he committed a very stupid move in moving at Juve since they only saw him as a reserve. Hopefully that move means we can get him on 'cheap' especially if we involve Darmian in the deal

If we're going for pure hardwork then we should buy Rebic. I remember him back at Fiorentinaa and Verona and he is the classic donkey.
 
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Yellow Black & Red said:
Similar to Malcom, with Sarr I don't see that he's good enough - he's tricky, but his end product is still very poor. He would also get in the way of Chong and Greenwood.

There are no young options on the market who appear to have top drawer potential. RW is one position where I think it would make the most sense to get in a player which would have an immediate impact in the short term, while being patient to see if Chong and Greenwood can progress enough over the next couple of years or if any other Mbappe or Dembele level young talents appear on the market instead.
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No harm in a bit of healthy competition in the short-term on the right, and long-term i'd expect Chong to develop into more of a central midfielder than a wide-man when he fills out a bit more any way, and Greenwood to become a no.10, or more likely a striker.
 
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