Right Winger... Who do we go for?

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Dante said:
Our attack is fine.

With all the drifting going on today, Martial found himself on the right wing loads of times against Bournemouth. We don't need a dedicated right-winger when the front 3 interchange.

We could do with upgrading on Lingard, but that's what Sanchez is for.

Martial + Rashford + Sanchez is full of running, full of goals, full of pressing, full of creativity. It's easily up there amongst the best trios in Europe when utilised correctly. The clamour for big names causes us to forget that.

Lingard + Mata + Lukaku are able deputies. Chong and Greenwood are waiting to prove themsleves as Sanchez and Mata reach the end of their careers. They're at the perfect age to show what they can do with minutes on the pitch.

I think we should prioritise defence and possibly midfield.
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As much as i would love Sancho here I don't think he'll be leaving Dortmund so early.

I agree with you on our current attackers. We have the numbers there. My opinion though is that Lingard or Mata could be used as an '8' on the other side of pogba. In certain games against teams that will sit back against us, we dont need Matic and Herrera in the middle. Lingard/Mata and Pogba sharing the 'free role' midfield positions would allow a front 3 with either Sanchez, Rashford, Martial or Lukaku. It would be a very attacking line-up very much like city have done with Bernardo Silva, or Liverpool with Xherdan Shaqiri.

Chong, Greenwood and Gomes are all waiting for their chances and OGS will give it to them if he is here to stay. I have watched Mason Greenwood mant times in the u18s and he is the real deal in my opinion. His talent for scoring goals as a number 9 is Incredible.

As for what you mentioned regarding the front 3 drifting about in a fluid manner, i think Sanchez will solidify a starting place under OGS. He's looked poor under Jose but so have many others. Sanchez at Arsenal was one of the best the PL has had for many years. He played off the left mainly but drifted central alot. At Barca he played of the right and drifted central too. Martial is the best player we have for the left side and Sanchez will almost certainly get the opportunity on the right.!
 
ForestRGoinUp said:
I agree he’s good for the bench, though I think he should be deeper on the bench than most do. I just mean we have very few players we could sell for a decent fee and we still need to spend a lot of money. If he’s only a bench option and an English team would pay 50M for him then it would be wise to sell him. He wouldn’t be nearly as missed as most think if selling him meant getting a proper RW.
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We’re skint on the right wing. We haven’t tried Sanchez yet so I don’t know who the position really belongs too.

However between mata and lingard under Ole I would most times go for lingard. Mata’s Legs have gone and he’s terrible on the counter. I would sell mata before I even contemplate selling lingard. Not insinuating lingard is better than mata but for tactical reasons he is better for us and the way we play.

Still I agree we don’t want want lingard first team in the long run And I believe we will get it sorted in the summer if Sanchez is truly done out here. The long term plan is to sub him on to chase the opposition while providing options on the counter or keeping possession as we have seen him do these past few games.
 
ForestRGoinUp said:
I agree he’s good for the bench, though I think he should be deeper on the bench than most do. I just mean we have very few players we could sell for a decent fee and we still need to spend a lot of money. If he’s only a bench option and an English team would pay 50M for him then it would be wise to sell him. He wouldn’t be nearly as missed as most think if selling him meant getting a proper RW.
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We would only need a proper right winger if we wanted to revert to 4-4-2. In the present system, which is a fluid 4-3-3, our wide attacking play on the right comes from the right back plus a striker prepared to run into wide positions. A traditional right winger could be redundant.

Our play is certainly a bit assymetrical because of the personnel we have. We appear to have more natural width on the left because Martial is happier playing from the flank than Lingard, which is fine because Pogba appears to favour operating more on the left than the right (so Martial playing wide leaves Pogba with more space to play in).
 
ForestRGoinUp said:
I agree he’s good for the bench, though I think he should be deeper on the bench than most do. I just mean we have very few players we could sell for a decent fee and we still need to spend a lot of money. If he’s only a bench option and an English team would pay 50M for him then it would be wise to sell him. He wouldn’t be nearly as missed as most think if selling him meant getting a proper RW.

Edit: If Spurs could sell Lamela or Klopp could sell Lallana for 50M don’t you think they’d do that?
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50M for the player that is supposed to be deeper on the bench than most think he should be. Not bad huh? Try to make up your mind.
 
Mcking said:
50M for the player that is supposed to be deeper on the bench than most think he should be. Not bad huh? Try to make up your mind.
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That is why I’m saying it’s a good sell. Someone who realistically should be deep on our bench going for 50M is the type of business that allows us to upgrade. Take the goggles off Miss Lingard.
 
ForestRGoinUp said:
That is why I’m saying it’s a good sell. Someone who realistically should be deep on our bench going for 50M is the type of business that allows us to upgrade. Take the goggles off Miss Lingard.
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If you remotely think we could get 50M for him - good sell or not, maybe he is not as bad as you are making him out to be?
 
Aren't there some overlooked wingers playing in La Liga? Pablo Sarabia or someone?
 
Mcking said:
If you remotely think we could get 50M for him - good sell or not, maybe he is not as bad as you are making him out to be?
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Yea we’re on different pages here. Sigurdsson went for how much?

My thoughts on Lingard are that he neither takes us up a level (and we need to go up a couple) nor would he have a regular place In a title challenging squad (see Lallana). So...if there are stupid midtable clubs out there flush w cash, and one of them offered 50 for him...then it’s a tremendous deal for United to accept.
 
ForestRGoinUp said:
Yea we’re on different pages here. Sigurdsson went for how much?

My thoughts on Lingard are that he neither takes us up a level (and we need to go up a couple) nor would he have a regular place In a title challenging squad (see Lallana). So...if there are stupid midtable clubs out there flush w cash, and one of them offered 50 for him...then it’s a tremendous deal for United to accept.
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I like Lingard but no one will be offering us 50m for him. Besides he is a talented squad player and loves United. I would keep him. We still need an actual RW.
 
ForestRGoinUp said:
Yea we’re on different pages here. Sigurdsson went for how much?

My thoughts on Lingard are that he neither takes us up a level (and we need to go up a couple) nor would he have a regular place In a title challenging squad (see Lallana). So...if there are stupid midtable clubs out there flush w cash, and one of them offered 50 for him...then it’s a tremendous deal for United to accept.
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Sigurdsson is actually a decent player and was moving up a level. Lingard for 50m will make him by far our third most expensive sale. Not many clubs have paid close to that for our players. I'd say you are being pretty conflicted if you think Lingard should be deeper on our bench than most do, yet somehow thinks he'd be going for 50m.
 
ravi2 said:
I like Lingard but no one will be offering us 50m for him. Besides he is a talented squad player and loves United. I would keep him. We still need an actual RW.
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I wouldn't sell Lingard now but i think he'd fetch around 50m for sure. 26yr old , regularly starts for England NT. Ox went for £40m in last year of his contract not long ago.
 
Mcking said:
Sigurdsson is actually a decent player and was moving up a level. Lingard for 50m will make him by far our third most expensive sale. Not many clubs have paid close to that for our players. I'd say you are being pretty conflicted if you think Lingard should be deeper on our bench than most do, yet somehow thinks he'd be going for 50m.
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I’m not conflicted in the least. The market is what it is and average players are going for 50M or thereabouts quite frequently.
 
If Martial signs a new contract then him, Rashford and Lingard will be here long term. Sanchez looks like latter day Rooney to me, shagged out, hopefully I'm wrong, Lukaku should be sold to make as much back as we can while Rashford is the main #9 as I can't see him or the club being happy with him as a bench player, but it wont happen until summer 2020 at the earliest. Mata I can see going to Italy.

So that's the 6 forwards, problem is I don't think we can get Sancho or Dembele this summer and if we wanted a Dybala type play off the right like Lingard does.....well, we aint getting him either. After that the options are all a bit bleh IMO, so our best hope is that Sanchez can find some form and hold the fort at RW for another season until we can get Sancho.
 
KennyBurner said:
You actually think sancho who isn’t as good as dembele will have a better career. Dembele has already won a World Cup And also currently plays in a team that is guaranteed trophies each year mind you. How did you come up with that conclusion? Is it because of demebele lack of professionalism?

I feel we are really hyping up sancho in this thread. The guy is good but you guys are basically insinuating he is going to be world class just because he is having a brilliant season at Dortmund. Let’s take a step back and relax. We also have an English bias which is somewhat understandable.

I do like your point on not having egotistical players anymore at United after these past years but it’s part of having a great team. The only thing I can’t wrap my head around is his unprofessionalism in regards to training. Still we are talking about a future ballon dor winner in Dembele and a potential great player in sancho. We can’t confuse the two. We always want the absolute best at United and so I think dembele is a good risk.
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What was Dembeles involvement in the WC? Sancho will be a better player in my opinion and I reckon Barca would swap Dembele for him tomorrow if given the chance. Real Madrid etc will probably go in for him, so trophies are potentially just around the corner for Sancho. But it's not about that, it's about making a name for themselves and earning plaudits. Dembele hasn't had many since moving to the La Liga to the extent we all expected. It's still early days but he's not exactly getting plaudits like the similarly aged Mbappe.

And you're insinuating that Dembele is World Class and he's not yet.
 
Walters_19_MuFc said:
I agree, but if they were given strict instructions to stay on the right, they'd have to do it. As it is, Solskjaer has continued with what Mourninho did and has allowed both Mata and Lingard to roam inside because they're more comfortable doing so.
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Solskjaer has probably decided that would be pointless they'd either keep drifting on instinct or stay out wide and be pretty useless. I mean whats Mata going to do outwide hugging the touchline? Nothing but they are the only real options he has for the right so he's using them as best he can. I'm pretty sure in one of his conferences he actually said he prefers wingers and to play with width.

Walters_19_MuFc said:
Going forward, I definitely feel we need someone like Martial but on the right. Someone who can, both cut in and keep the width in accordance to how the game is going.
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Definitely i love old fashioned wingers but i'd rather have a player like Nani who can go outside or inside over a player like Valencia any day of the week. A 25 year old Nani would be perfect for us right now, to be honest i wouldn't even mind a 32 year old Nani.
 
stevoc said:
Definitely i love old fashioned wingers but i'd rather have a player like Nani who can go outside or inside over a player like Valencia any day of the week. A 25 year old Nani would be perfect for us right now, to be honest i wouldn't even mind a 32 year old Nani.
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That'd be nice and we may just have someone like that in Sanchez if he can find his Arsenal form.
 
stevoc said:
Solskjaer has probably decided that would be pointless they'd either keep drifting on instinct or stay out wide and be pretty useless. I mean whats Mata going to do outwide hugging the touchline? Nothing but they are the only real options he has for the right so he's using them as best he can. I'm pretty sure in one of his conferences he actually said he prefers wingers and to play with width.



Definitely i love old fashioned wingers but i'd rather have a player like Nani who can go outside or inside over a player like Valencia any day of the week. A 25 year old Nani would be perfect for us right now, to be honest i wouldn't even mind a 32 year old Nani.
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https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...gba-manchester-united-lingard-form-confidence
“He knows what kind of a player I am. When I am on the right wing he likes me to come inside and make things happen. He gives me licence and freedom to do that. He’s very special. He knows where Man United has to be and that is at the very top.”
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Ole wants him to drift. And it's hardly a problem when you bear in mind that both of Pogba's goals came from crosses on the right: the first was when Rashford went right wing, and the second when Martial did the same thing.

In any case, Lingard did plenty on that side, too. He was very much involved, and I'm surprised that it's not been noticed more on the forum. By drifting inside, it makes life difficult for the opposition LB and LCB. They don't know where to go and that disorganisation spreads across their entire backline.

If we'd had a traditional RW on that side, they'd have been marked a lot more tightly on both those chances. Which is not to say that a traditional RW is necessarily worse than a drifting right sided playmaker. But both roles have their strengths and weaknesses and Ole's making the most of it by asking his front 3 to switch positions constantly.

EDIT: Sorry, I've just rewatched it and actually the first three goals all come down the right. The first with Rashford on the wing, the second with Lingard on the wing opening up space for Young/Herrera and the third with Martial on the wing.

The teamplay dynamics on right side are the least of our worries. That unpredictability on that wing is a rich seam of chances for us. Granted, it's untraditional, but goddammit it works.

Another player in the Lingard mould is my preferred upgrade. Hopefully that man can be Sanchez. A flying rightwinger is not necessarily the answer.
 
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Dante said:
https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...gba-manchester-united-lingard-form-confidence

Ole wants him to drift. And it's hardly a problem when you bear in mind that both of Pogba's goals came from crosses on the right: the first was when Rashford went right wing, and the second when Martial did the same thing.

In any case, Lingard did plenty on that side, too. He was very much involved, and I'm surprised that it's not been noticed more on the forum. By drifting inside, it makes life difficult for the opposition LB and LCB. They don't know where to go and that disorganisation spreads across their entire backline.

If we'd had a traditional RW on that side, they'd have been marked a lot more tightly on both those chances. Which is not to say that a traditional RW is necessarily worse than a drifting right sided playmaker. But both roles have their strengths and weaknesses and Ole's making the most of it by asking his front 3 to switch positions constantly.

EDIT: Sorry, I've just rewatched it and actually the first three goals all come down the right. The first with Rashford on the wing, the second with Lingard on the wing opening up space for Young/Herrera and the third with Martial on the wing.

The teamplay dynamics on right side are the least of our worries. That unpredictability on that wing is a rich seam of chances for us. Granted, it's untraditional, but goddammit it works.

Another player in the Lingard mould is my preferred upgrade. Hopefully that man can be Sanchez. A flying rightwinger is not necessarily the answer.
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I never said he didn't, if he plays Lingard he will want to play to his strengths. Being stuck outwide just doesn't suit Jesse's game.

I do agree though we have been creating much more from the right since Ole arrived. At times under Mourinho the right wing was a deserted wasteland with no one even bothering to move out there. It's been a massive change and improvement the last 3 games though.
 
Walters_19_MuFc said:
That'd be nice and we may just have someone like that in Sanchez if he can find his Arsenal form.
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After seeing the turnaround in Pogba and Matic's form i'm willing to generate a little bit of hope we may see the best of Sanchez again under Solskjaer.
 
I really hope that Sanchez comes good for us on the RW.If we can get 2/3 good seasons from him on the right wing,that would be fantastic,because in 2/3 season's time Chong will be ready(hopefully).

The way Ole plays does not necessarily require a touchline-hugging winger since the width comes from the overlapping RB which allows the RW to drift inside and overload the central area.

Lingard is underappreciated and underrated by some of our fans.Yes,he is not world class and can be inconsistent sometimes,but he offers much.His pressing,his defensive contributions and most importantly his off-the-ball movement provides a lot of space and time for other attacking.Watch the build-up of Martial's goal against Cardiff,and see how Lingard moved to create space for Martial to run and pass to Pogba.I am not saying that he can not be upgraded,but he is a decent squad option,and home grown.
 
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Honestly don't understand why we're not linked to Cengiz Under?

Natural rw with bags of pace, can cross with his right foot, can cut inside and shoot with his left. Only 21yo.
Had a good performance just a week ago against Parma, a goal and assist.
 
I say give sanchez a run to see how he does.. sign Nicolas pepe in the summer..
 
Would love for us to find a Left footer who could play on the RW - the great ones are so rare but it's much tougher for a full back to defend inside.

Mahrez might have been a decent option for us, but basically a young Robben type player. If we can keep Martial LW and find someone like that for the RW, we'd be a real force.
 
tomaldinho1 said:
Would love for us to find a Left footer who could play on the RW - the great ones are so rare but it's much tougher for a full back to defend inside.

Mahrez might have been a decent option for us, but basically a young Robben type player. If we can keep Martial LW and find someone like that for the RW, we'd be a real force.
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We should sign Tahith Chong. He's fast and a very good dribbler. Doubt he'll cost more than £50m.
 
Adnan said:
We should sign Tahith Chong. He's fast and a very good dribbler. Doubt he'll cost more than £50m.
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Assume a sarcastic reply because you think Chong ready to step up? I'm not sure, think physically you'd see him really struggle for a while given how athletic PL full backs have generally become. Currently, Lingard definitely a better option in my mind.
 
Adnan said:
We should sign Tahith Chong. He's fast and a very good dribbler. Doubt he'll cost more than £50m.
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He's nowhere near ready for regular first team football
 
I wouldn't mind Mata being replaced by Fekir. He is not "right winger" but he is a superb attacking player who can play in all three positions behind the striker well. He is left footed, an excellent technician, a very good passer & a good goal scorer. The only drawback I can see with him is the condition of his knee and how that'll cope in the PL, which is pretty relentless. However, if our medical team thinks that is a non-issue, then he would be an excellent addition to our squad.
 
JJ12 said:
He's nowhere near ready for regular first team football
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He is ready to get minutes now. Hopefully he gets the opportunity as soon as he's back from injury. His explosive speed will be a asset for us over the non exsistent options we currently have. I want to see a front three of Martial, Rashford and Chong.:drool:
 
Well that's great. We keep losing best options for long term right winger that we'll end up with Lingard and Mata again next season. Can't be much happier I guess.
 
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The right wing 'problem' is like the left back 'problem' in Summer 2018. It doesn't exist except on FIFA.
 
Anyone fancy a 30m bid for Willian now that chelsea got Pulisic? Think he's a good squad option.
 
tomaldinho1 said:
Assume a sarcastic reply because you think Chong ready to step up? I'm not sure, think physically you'd see him really struggle for a while given how athletic PL full backs have generally become. Currently, Lingard definitely a better option in my mind.
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Because Lingard uses his superior physicality to compete with PL full backs? Not really.
 
Rashford, Martial and Sanchez are all potentially world class under the right manager.

Lukaku, Mata and Lingard are as good a set of squad options as you'll find anywhere.

With Sanchez and Mata barely over 30, Greenwood and Chong will have plenty of opportunities to play a few minutes here and there without being relied upon. That gives the manager lots of time to assess the young lads properly in low pressure situations. It's the perfect situation - in 2 years' time, those two senior players will be coming to the end of their careers, whilst the kids will finally be ready to start theirs. If it turns out either Greenwood or Chong not good enough, we can dip into the market at the appropriate time.

I really don't see any reason to buy a new attacker until at least 2021 unless something goes drastically wrong. We're covered for the present and have potential for the future.
 
Aloysius's Back 3 said:
That's Greenwood's & Chongs spot.

Not needed at all.
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I think it makes all the more sense for getting someone older to play there and gradually introduce Chong to the seniors team. Take the pressure off them and in two years, they can take up the position for themselves.
 
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