Aha.
A Kunt. Fair enough.
A Kunt. Fair enough.
Right, the ask me anything about cricket thread.
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That's not what I remember - the Chinaman breaks leg to off like a left-arm off spinner or right-arm leg spinner. I don't think it was used to describe a style more a specific delivery, though some did bowl a lot of them to right-hand batsman.
I used to play in my school team, and was there solely to bowl. I couldn't use a cricket bat, so I was always last to go in when we were batting.
On the sole occasion that I had to bat, the captain told me to stay in for one over and we wouldn't lose. The ball hit the stumps on the sixth ball, I was given out, and we lost. I was somewhat unpopular with the captain. What was that all about?
On the sole occasion that I had to bat, the captain told me to stay in for one over and we wouldn't lose. The ball hit the stumps on the sixth ball, I was given out, and we lost. I was somewhat unpopular with the captain. What was that all about?
Tendulkar regularly took on the likes of Warne, McGrath, Akram, Younis, Donald on a very very very regular basis during the 90s!
The number of times he's played Pakistan in Sharjah! The number of times he's absolutely hammered Australia in India/Sharjah/Australia...
Against South Africa admittedly he was never big..
But I never get how people can even compare Lara to Tendulkar. Lara's one day record doesn't come close to Sachin's! Lara was good in tests, and tests alone and rarely did it on the one day stage. Tendulkar on the other hand has been briliiant during his peak years in BOTH forms of the game, home and or away, or neutral grounds..and has performed so so so much better than Lara in World Cup games too!
I'll admit, I'm a bit biased, and find Tendulkar as the greatest batsman in the modern era and am one of his biggest fans.. But I will never understand how Lara can be compared to Tendulkar as Lara in the one day game hasn't come close to doing what Tendulkar has done..
Tendulkar has a higher average in tests AND ODIs than Lara, whilst playing more innings too!
I just find Lara has been massively massively over-rated in his career just cause of those 2 highest test score world records he's made..
I had to turn off the computer and missed the questions.
He's getting married to his childhood girlfriend. They both come from very poor backgrounds. Glad fame didn't get to him and he ended up marrying some chaser.
He also said he played cricket in his youth mostly without shoes.
Spoony/cricket-heads, how highly do you rate Glenn McGrath amongst the other all time great bowlers?
Brilliant bowler. Not express pace - but sharp enough, nevertheless. My only gripe with him, was that he looked lost on flat wickets. But yeah fantastic bowler, perhaps a bit machine like but one can't argue with his stats.
Made a great contribution to Aussies domination over the last fifteen years...Never had great pace but his accuracy, and the ability to make the ball seam was his strength. I always found him boring from a spectator perspective (a machine), but you can't deny he was amongst the worlds greats.
I had to turn off the computer and missed the questions.
He's getting married to his childhood girlfriend. They both come from very poor backgrounds. Glad fame didn't get to him and he ended up marrying some chaser.
He also said he played cricket in his youth mostly without shoes.
who ? irfan pathan isn't getting married to his childhood "girlfriend"
Correct.
Googly is more like when you play table tennis, the impact of the smash on the board along in the spin in the trajectory can beat you completely. Its difficult to guage the height of the bounce even if you have the space well covered.
A left arm bowler trying out his googly is called Chinaman.
I thought he took a great number of wickets even after tracks across continents were standardised.
I would say most consistent Aussie bowler second only to Lille, in terms of accuracy and lateral movement. Thommo was predominantly about brutal pace not combining pace with swing like Lille.
Lillee was an all round great bowler - he had the lot. But yeah, Thommo was all about sheer pace and didn't have Lillee's variety. I've seen McGrath on flat tracks and I've always felt that need assistance from the pitch - don't get me wrong, he was a great bowler and probably the second best pacer produced by the Aussies(after Lillee, of course). But I also agree with Sults that he wasn't the most exciting bowler to watch. If I could compare him to some other bowlers, Shaun Pollock springs to mind, and he wasn't very dissimilar to Hadlee and all - well, in terms of pace and accuracy. That said, Hadlee was the master of swing, he could get the ball to swing away and back into the batsmen, whereas McGrath was more about seaming the ball away - and on occasion bringing it back in.
Has he bought himself a nice pair of shoes since becoming a test match cricketer?
i thought your talking about pathan.
though he's also getting married to a hindu girl...what are your thoughts on that ?
I can remember the SA tour in 96, Sachin smashing 160 odd on a pacy wicket in Cape town ripping Donald and co apart. Even Azhar notched up a classy 100 in the same innings.
You bet. He's set up for life.
That's his decision. My thoughts don't count.
Why can't we make up for lost sessions in test cricket through an earlier start? For instance the 3rd day at Lords surely should've started at 9.30 instead of 10.30 because of the rain in the previous day.
Early morning starts would create problems for the fans.
The morning dew together with ball movement which tend to be exaggerated early mornings in the UK would make it unfair on the team batting. The rule would be even worse for test matches in early summer with the lower temperatures.
There is also the fact longer the test matches last the higher the revenue. I have heard whispers the ICC are talking about putting aside a sixth day for any time lost to weather.
Now you're talking.
Malcolm Marshall for me - simply unplayable, even though probably the fastest bowler of all time he knew how to bowl, to slow it down, work the ball, work the pitch - batsmen did'nt even look at the skittled stumps - they'd hear it ...... and walk
Really was an unrivalled era for speed - Holding Garner just before that they had Andy Roberts too and when I was a kid I remember Jim Laker eulogising over the rampant Wes Hall - fastest bowler in the world
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About Lara, just personal but I don't think he ever really fullfilled his potential even though obviously playing in a much inferior side. I'd rather have had Tendulkar in my side
Mind you, as you say Viv was the king - the absolute king . What a sight to behold at the crease
Must have been fun in the nets with Malcolm Marshall and him!
For me the greatest side in Test history that West Indian team
Greatest West Indian fast bowler of all time Micheal Holding,
Comparison between Holding and Marshall runs close like comparing Akram and Yonus and people have divided opinions.
Then Andy Roberts follows them.
Comparison between Holding and Marshall runs close like comparing Akram and Yonus and people have divided opinions.
Then Andy Roberts follows them.
dear spoons
what are your views on the left arm wrist spin known as 'the chinaman' ?
that wee south african fecker paul adams, he never took many wickets with his borderline-legal action. but by christ, he looked fecking cool the spasticated way he chucked it down the track to the bewildered batsman.
spasticated left arm wrist spin > the wrong 'un + the googly.
what are your views on the left arm wrist spin known as 'the chinaman' ?
that wee south african fecker paul adams, he never took many wickets with his borderline-legal action. but by christ, he looked fecking cool the spasticated way he chucked it down the track to the bewildered batsman.
spasticated left arm wrist spin > the wrong 'un + the googly.
He was a useless bowler Brewlio.
My favourite character in that particular field of bowling was Abdul Qadir. He was borderline insane.
It's a tough one. Both were brilliant brilliant batsmen - choosing one could just be down to preference or even bias.
As for best WIndies bowler - I didn't watch Holding in his hey day - sadly I only watched him live at the back end of his career. But I saw enough of him on tape. However I watched Marshall in his pomp and yes he was frightening. I don't think he was as fast as Holding(at his peak) - but he was the fastest around in the mid 80s. So who was better? that's a really difficult question. My father always felt that Holding was the best bowler he had ever seen, but also rated Marshall highly. I'd say out of that bunch - Holding just ahead of Marshall, then Garner and finally Roberts. Garner was a brilliant bowler too, he looked so effortless, much like Holding. For me that was probably the golden age of cricket. I'd love the WI to go back to 4 great fast bowlers. It's a shame that cricket's lost its magic in the Caribbean. Because as fans we're the real losers.
Yes, probably. As I said, sometimes it comes down to preference. Both all the bowlers mentioned were great.
I think chinamans are pointless. Legspinners have an advantage because they generally take the ball away from the majority of batsmen, whereas chinaman bowlers are simply bringing it back in. So, basically they're trying to master a difficult art - when they could be more effective bowling left arm offsping.
weirdos. And Paul Adams has to be the most retarded bowler, ever.
Qadir was brilliant to watch. Proper showman.
Good debate this, though.
Spoony...
who is the greatest Indian batsman of all time in your opinon, Gavaskar, Tendulkar or Kapil Dev.
Gavaskar, he has withstood the pace of West Indian, Aussie quickies with little or no protective gears on dangerous tracks and scored more than any other batsman during his times.
Kapil, I might sound retarded but he was the only batsman then in world cricket then who wasn neither intimidated by pace of West Indian or the Australians nor he got tied down. He has tore their attacks in his normal aggressive manner, notched up few hundreds and played aggressive cameos.
Tendulkar, technically as good as Sunny and can attack like Kapil, and he has also faced the likes of Pollock, Akram, Yonus, Ambrose, Walsh, McGrath, Akthar, Lee etc. Its also debatable whether he would've scored as many runs had he played in the 70's and 80's with test tours few and far between,
who is the greatest Indian batsman of all time in your opinon, Gavaskar, Tendulkar or Kapil Dev.
Gavaskar, he has withstood the pace of West Indian, Aussie quickies with little or no protective gears on dangerous tracks and scored more than any other batsman during his times.
Kapil, I might sound retarded but he was the only batsman then in world cricket then who wasn neither intimidated by pace of West Indian or the Australians nor he got tied down. He has tore their attacks in his normal aggressive manner, notched up few hundreds and played aggressive cameos.
Tendulkar, technically as good as Sunny and can attack like Kapil, and he has also faced the likes of Pollock, Akram, Yonus, Ambrose, Walsh, McGrath, Akthar, Lee etc. Its also debatable whether he would've scored as many runs had he played in the 70's and 80's with test tours few and far between,
Kapil shouldn't be mentioned in the same breath as Sunny and Sachin. Dunno, again, tough question. Gavasker batted against Holding, Marshall, Garner, Roberts, Imran, Hadlee, Lillee and Thompson during their pomps - and as you said, without protection. He also played during a time when pitches were uncovered and he also faced the new ball. These days wickets are lifeless - batsmen have a much easier task - but that shouldn't take away anything from Tendulkar. I think he would've been great during the 70s and 80's too. So, I'm sitting on the fence - nah, I'll stick my neck out and say Tendulkar's the best Indian batsmen, mainly because he was great in all forms of the game. But honestly, there's not much between them.
Tendulkar for me far and away better than Sunny who was the most selfish cricketer EVER..
He'd take forever and ever and ever just to notch up individual runs and scores over success of his own team from all that I saw and heard about Sunny.
At least that's what I've heard from many many people..
Also the infamous innings where he made like 36 runs of some 180 balls or something when he opened the innings in an ODI against England in the 70s?
Apparently India fell well short of an English target of around 300, and India only made 130 or something in 60 overs!
That's the sort of player Gavaskar was supposedly!
Thought he was extremely selfish, slow, and although a very good batsman, doesn't come close to achieving the records Sachin has over the years...
Though the one thing Gavaskar's done that Sachin unfortunately hasn't is, well, win the World Cup...
He'd take forever and ever and ever just to notch up individual runs and scores over success of his own team from all that I saw and heard about Sunny.
At least that's what I've heard from many many people..
Also the infamous innings where he made like 36 runs of some 180 balls or something when he opened the innings in an ODI against England in the 70s?
Apparently India fell well short of an English target of around 300, and India only made 130 or something in 60 overs!
That's the sort of player Gavaskar was supposedly!
Thought he was extremely selfish, slow, and although a very good batsman, doesn't come close to achieving the records Sachin has over the years...
Though the one thing Gavaskar's done that Sachin unfortunately hasn't is, well, win the World Cup...
if you're talking about the same innings that I think you're talking about, is it the one where Tendulkar was dismissed by an unbelievable catch at deep midwicket with Cullinan falling backwards, and the ball literally falling into Cullinan's palm by more or less pure luck?!
Best ever bowler Spoons? For me it'd be Wasim Akram
best all rounder? Yup I've gone for Imran Khan
thoughts?
best all rounder? Yup I've gone for Imran Khan
thoughts?
Best Fast Bowler = Akram
Best Spinner = Warney
Best Batsman for me personally = Sachin
Best Spinner = Warney
Best Batsman for me personally = Sachin
spoons (anybody else, do not reply for i do not care for your worthless opinion), my little sticky wicket.
the duke ball. that cherry is the king of balls. the kookaburra is gay. like that sweet man mockney, it is weak and doesn't last very long. as has been discussed in the media of late, that we may go to night sessions in the test matches - does this mean that the pink ball that they are presently trialing would be a pink duke ?
the duke ball. that cherry is the king of balls. the kookaburra is gay. like that sweet man mockney, it is weak and doesn't last very long. as has been discussed in the media of late, that we may go to night sessions in the test matches - does this mean that the pink ball that they are presently trialing would be a pink duke ?
Not sure anything other than a white ball, will show up enough under floodlights
Bowler? Lillee/Holding.
All rounder? Imran/Sobers
Batsman? Viv Richards
Right here's one...
How come Freddie shits all over the "mighty" aussies? Is he just a vastly superior human being to any of them? How shit is it to be an aussie today?
How come Freddie shits all over the "mighty" aussies? Is he just a vastly superior human being to any of them? How shit is it to be an aussie today?
Also, Gavaskar never dominated bowlers and put them to the sword the way the greatest batsmen do. Maybe it's because as an opener he saw it as his job to accumulate runs slowly and without risk. He was a better version of Boycott or Lawry or Glenn Turner. I'd rather watch Tendulkar.
glued in pitches
yay or nay
yay or nay
Spooney, tell me conclusively why the white ball swings in a different manner to the red ball?
The Duke break down quicker which is good if you can keep one side healthy. This aids in reverse swing. also the seam is more raised on the red duke ball aiding the swing.
The Kookaburras are harder and keep there shine longer meaning you don't see reverse swing till late.
the kookaburra ball tends to be harder to control than the duke for the first 15-20 overs due to the fact it refuses to be broken down on one side no what how hard they try and buff one side up. the aussie's hate the duke ball, hence why they produce many line and length fast bowlers and very few that can swing it early on.
the duke. king of balls
I was asking between the red and the white ball. I know the difference between the two brands - the biggest of which is the pronounced seam on the duke.
Kookaburra and Duke both produce white versions of their test grade red balls. Kookaburra say there white balls are exactly the same as the red versions, apart from the colour of the leather.
The manafacturers say that the difference in swing is a myth, yet all the players will tell you there is a big difference.
Players also say the white ball is harder.
i'm stumped there gaffs. over to the supremo, spoons...