Replacing de gea should be the priority

Lee565

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How on earth are we going adapt to ten hag philosophy and modern progressive tactics in general with de gea as our gk which plays such a pivotal role in executing the philosophy, we saw pep chuck Joe Hart to the side for a goalkeeper that is confident with the ball at his feet despite not even a great shot stopper.

Even defensively he is awful in so many ways that must hurt the defence confidence and create confusion when he such little command around his box and the only defense for him is that he is a good shot stopper which was clearly not visible today.
 
replacing 80% of the first team should have been a priority

I know it's impossible, but let's see some of the youngsters now ffs
 
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De Gea is a fantastic shot stopper but he lacks all the qualities needed to play in the system Ten Hag is trying to implement.
 
Of course it is. He’s an architect of chaos: makes some flashy Dan saves in a dogshit side. He was a bout of Covid away from being thrown on the scrap heap, yet here we are.
 
I've generally been supportive of De Gea but that was beyond abysmal today.
 
Nope. Priority is sorting out central midfield, actually finding a quality DM, maybe even 2 of them. DDG is on the list of things to improve but absolutely not the priority.
 


Looking at this first goal, it's easy to blame De Gea. Sure it's a shot he should and most of the time would save, but like any keeper this kind of blunder does happen. The point is what's going on before this goal. Ronaldo receives the ball surrounded by Brentford players. He's struggling to maintain possession; Bruno who was busy directing his teammates as the throw-in was coming in actually RUNS AWAY from Ronaldo, the player who was behind Bruno is now free to intercept the ball which he does, winning possession and then passing to Dasilva.

Ronaldo struggling to hold onto the ball running on to it with a player infront and behind him, and Fred and Bruno decide the winning move is to run away from him to a position that he cannot see.

Fred as a holding midfielder doing that and leaving that much space is absolutely criminal. Or perhaps they've been coached to do that: if Ronaldo drops deep, they're to push up to stop the opposition back-line from collapsing on them and boxing them in. Although the fact Fred was subbed off at halftime would indicate otherwise.

Pause the video when DaSilva receives the ball. There's no united player within 15 yards of him and he's within shooting range. That's a mistake that will get punished more times than any team can afford.

These kinds of issues are nothing to do with the keeper, you swap him for the most inform goalie in the world and you're still gonna have these problems. Keane alluded to Bruno's attitude a while ago implying he was buying into his own hype and doing too much talking. That a player has that much room to shoot 10 minutes into a game is the real problem.

From the moment DaSilva receives the ball you can see he's got one thing in mind. At no point does he lift his eyes away from the ball, he's gonna shoot, you can see it a mile away. Yet Martinelli makes a lacklustre attempt to close him down, he should be flying at him fully committed, in the end it's a half-hearted tackle, Dasilva gets the shot off and scores.

DeGea held his nerve for years but sometimes when you see so much obvious stuff going wrong right in front of you it's hard to keep your spirit applied.

Edit: Also as the shot's going in there's a player sprinting into the box, if De Gea spills it, he gets to it first because Maguire who's stood right behind him and can see what he's doing doesn't react with nearly the same commitment. It's just too easy to blame one person for this. This is a collective effort.
 
I agree. He’s a United legend but wages and the fact we should build from the back both on the field and now building the squad.

I do feel our CB’s would improve when you essentially have a 3rd one helping and calming them. Next would be a right back. Dalot is just not even remotely close to the level needed.

Plus the base of midfield and a new striker. We need to change these things now. No waiting but we all know it’s never happening.
 
Mickeza said:
I mean yes but there’s about 8 other priorities at this stage
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This

This week it's De Gea, last week it was McFred, next week it'll be a CF when Ronaldo inevitably doesn't fancy it and Martial is pretending he's injured, the week after it'll be Dalot

We're absolutely fecked
 
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I agree. He’s a United legend but wages and the fact we should build from the back both on the field and now building the squad.

I do feel our CB’s would improve when you essentially have a 3rd one helping and calming them. Next would be a right back. Dalot is just not even remotely close to the level needed.

Plus the base of midfield and a new striker. We need to change these things now. No waiting but we all know it’s never happening.
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He's not a legend.
He's a long serving player. Probably over stayed at this point
 
mu4c_20le said:
First was a freak goal to concede.
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He has conceded a lot of freak goals in recent years, and has been the architect of many ridiculous goals like the 2nd. I’d honestly be astonished if we thought he was a good fit for this team. I’d assume we just can’t sell and replace for a fee that makes any sense financially; we fecked that one a while ago.
 
Been saying this for ages. We keep signing expensive CBs but our defense continues to look shit.

He is the massive 800 lb elephant in the room. Defensive organization starts first and foremost with the goalkeeper.

Get a better GK in and I guarantee you that Maguire, Varane, Lindelof, etc. will begin to show basic competence.
 
Stack said:
Nope. Priority is sorting out central midfield, actually finding a quality DM, maybe even 2 of them. DDG is on the list of things to improve but absolutely not the priority.
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But how will we execute playing out from the back with him which is almost the first importance in philosophy like ten hag's, today was not the first time we have seen him create goalscoring chances for the opposition, even against brighton he did it and it I going to keep happening and will just create a nervousness and hesitation within the defense
 
mu4c_20le said:
First was a freak goal to concede.
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Which he has conceded freakily for several seasons now. It stops becoming a freak goal once you expect him to fumble it as usual and he does.
 
Midfield is priority. But i guess next season de gea will be replaced like Pep replaced Bravo. That is if ten hag is still in the hot seat.
 
July 2020 (google search obviously): " Jose Mourinho slammed Man Utd for giving ‘lucky’ De Gea new £375k-a-week deal before string of high-profile blunders "

We replace mediocre/sub-par players with contracts they would not receive anywhere else in the world.
 
Lee565 said:
But how will we execute playing out from the back with him which is almost the first importance in philosophy like ten hag's, today was not the first time we have seen him create goalscoring chances for the opposition, even against brighton he did it and it I going to keep happening and will just create a nervousness and hesitation within the defense
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How about we sort out the DM issue which has been for a number of seasons the main problem. Playing out from the back is lovely and all but right now replacing DDG wont stop the abysmal state of our midfield. DDG is absolutely a problem but our midfield is the priority. thats what Im arguing, the #1 priority is the midfield.
 
Fooza said:
replacing 80% of the first team should have been a priority

I know it's impossible, but let's see some of the youngsters now ffs
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Exactly.

Maguire, Rashford and McTominay are basically opposition players. DDG isn't in our top 5 problems.
 
mu4c_20le said:
First was a freak goal to concede.
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We have seen it over the last four or five seasons from degea. He struggles if he has too much time to think.

The second goal was on de gea as well. Putting Eriksen under pressure. So straight away we have gifted them two goals.
 
How did ten Hag not see this coming? First thing Pep did when he arrived at city was bin Joe Hart, then club captain.
 
Making sure we weren’t starting at least 8-9 of same players from last season every game was the priority. Reducing that to 2-3 over couple of summers was the priority.
 
He’s mentally gone. A top keeper would be determined to make this right but he will be steadying himself for more mistakes to come before he hits a bit of form. That’s been the cycle for years now. lower league mentality
 
By the time he's done looking around whom to pass to, there's 3 attackers pressing the 3 players who should be receiving the ball. Try to change it up and kick long? Yes, he'll try that but he can never complete a pass that far. Surely he's got to have a 0% pass completion rate to the other half by now?

Asides from that, fumbles one in and is an absolute coward who shies away from any physical battle in the box. His shot stopping ability is going down too and is now nowhere near enough to cover all the technical deficiencies he has.
 
Wednesday at Stoke said:
How did ten Hag not see this coming? First thing Pep did when he arrived at city was bin Joe Hart, then club captain.
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Of course he saw it. You do realise DDG has not been offered a new deal and his current expires at season end.

We need a new 11 and he isn’t the one cutting the cheques
 
Genuinely so confusing why Henderson just wasn’t given a shot. Now we have to sign someone and everyone will be putting the United tax on knowing we’re desperate.
 
Cassidy said:
Of course he saw it. You do realise DDG has not been offered a new deal and his current expires at season end.

We need a new 11 and he isn’t the one cutting the cheques
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if he doesn’t trust him enough to offer him a deal, why is he starting him?
 
No top team would touch this dinosaur, can't even get in the Spain squad anymore.

Highest paid goalkeeper in the world, can barley play a square pass.
 
Tyrion said:
Exactly.

Maguire, Rashford and McTominay are basically opposition players. DDG isn't in our top 5 problems.
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Dude, come on! De Gea WAS our biggest problem today. How many more times can he put in these performances before I stop hearing "Well, he isn't one of the biggest issues"?
 
Cannot believe he’s on £375,000 a week.

Start from the back and work our way forward. Replace De Gea with a modern keeper then sort out right back and defensive midfield.
 
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The only one linked at the moment



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Athletic mentioned McCarthy and said we had increased the budget for a third choice keeper to £7M
We need to think very carefully about the 1 year options we have for De Gea and Rashford
 
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