The recent reports are also £40Mil+. Either way it's a ridiculous amount for a player it seems even his clubs current supporters don't rate that highly.
Renato Sanches
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I know that it's a ridiculous comparison but I can't get around the fact that I saw people against James Rodriguez for +40m while people are perfectly comfortable with Sanches for the same type of price, it doesn't make any sense.
Keane was our main midfielder, not denying that.
Sanches has good technique from the little i've seen of him. And i absolutely agree with everything else you've stated about him.
Too much sense. You should be thread banned.
Ok thanks. Look I could be completely wrong and you are right, I just want to explain why I see it differently. My thoughts come from my time and experience coaching.
The technique i am looking at is the body shape when receiving the ball. This is important because even if the first touch is really good the next movement can undo the good work. So its not just a case of the first touch being good and controlling the ball well. If the body shape is right then the ability to choose the right technique at the right time becomes easier. An indicator of good body shape is the footwork before the ball arrives at a player, players good at this will be doing quick adjustments before the ball gets to them. Its a small thing but significant in that it can gain a player a split second more time to operate successfully and as the game at the top level gets faster this is important. By choosing the right technique it means that choosing the next move becomes easier, thats the skill component. Technique and skill are 2 different things. The next thing I am looking at is whether or not a player is able to control the ball successfully while maintaining a heads up position. That means a player is able to assess what is happening around him while controlling the ball. Again important today because of the increasing speed of the game. With more teams pressing while defending this sort of thing is very important.
Also in terms of receiving is a player able to control the ball with either foot or any part of the body successfully. Most importantly while under pressure and having to perform that control quickly. With respect to all of this I am not talking about high end skill moves, tricks or moments of flair. I am talking about the fundamental basics of ball control being done efficiently and in text book fashion under pressure and done quickly. In my experience if these things arent nailed by the age of 16-18 its very difficult to improve after that.
From what i see of Sanchez he isnt great at pressure in terms of being heads up and getting his body shape right. From what i see when under pressure he can miss control a ball and have it spill away from him. His physical attributes right now mean he is often able to recover. My concern with this is that as he moves up the ladder in terms of players he comes up against this physical ability is less able to compensate for technical weaknesses.
So again, I could be completely wrong but in every clip of him I see i am watching an inconsistency of technique in the areas I mention. I think he is going to be a pretty good player but I just dont know if he is going to progress to the level we need. If you watch Martial his technique with respect to what i have mentioned is most often immaculate. Not in terms of flair or skill moves etc but in the fundamental basics being text book in execution.
to be honest I would love it if I am wrong, would love to see us buy a box to box midfielder who becomes a star because we have been missing that for so long.
Yes but it's not his fault that these transfer fees are banded about. If we feel he has the potential we will pay over the odds as we have done in the past (Rooney, Ronaldo, De Gea, Anderson, Nani....) Which sometimes pay off and sometimes don't. Some of those transfers seem a bargain now but didn't when we signed them. People complained we overpaid
As for Martial, most thought we overpaid when we signed him. Most people now would agree its money well spent. I think to say Martial looked "far more of a talent" when we signed him is incorrect considering most of us barely knew him before he signed
The fact that the caf barely saw Martial has no baring on the amount of talent that he showcased before joining United.
Good post
You could be absolutely right about Sanches. I just feel we have not replaced Keane with a player with similar attributes. Not saying Sanches will be the next Keane but I feel he might give us the dynamism in midfield that I believe we've missed at times.
True but the fans didn't know how much talent he had.....the club scouts did.
If we sign Sanches then it will because the scouts have identified his talent....even if the fans can't see it
It does when he's mentioning the caf reaction to the transfer?
But the cafes reaction had absolutely no baring on how talented he actually is though does it? Which is the point.
We could go around in circles here but I read his point as the same people saying Martial was a bigger talent are the same people who questioned why we were after him when we signed him?
It does seem like revisionism to me.
To be balanced here are the reasons I could be completely wrong.
Puberty in males lasts till about 21. This is important because it means there will be times when a players coordination can go all out of whack Its especially visible in players in their early teens. One week they might have a growth spurt and shoot up a cm or so. That means the brain has to relearn all its movements again to adjust for the changes, subtle but enough to mean a first touch is a bit ropey with a player for a week or two or maybe the weight of passes is off for a bit.
Also anyone with teenage kids knows they need sleep and lots of it. they may appear to have boundless energy when running around but when they crash they crash hard as the body has to recover from tiredness but also has to deal with growth and puberty changes. Sanchez is just 18 and while he looks physically developed he still has another couple of years of body changes ahead of him.
Also I have only got to see a number of all touches clips of him and watched 3 games online. thats really not ideal to make a definitive judgement. I could be simply watching him during times when he isnt at his best.
There have been players I thought were going to make it and didnt and then other players I didnt think would make it but ended up becoming big players.
Right now a good example where it looks like I will be completely wrong is Origi at Liverpool. He is now looking like he might over the next couple of seasons be a good buy, 2 years ago I just couldnt see it.
Those comments worry me.
His point was to respond to my point wasn't it? Seeing as he quoted me. But no, I was fully behind Martial, so it isn't the same people.
Wait...what have I missed here?
I knew, iirc @Adnan and other posters knew, most people in France and Europe knew how talented he was, the fee was critcized but his talent has barely been in doubt, I saw people say that he was a speed merchant but those people never saw him play, not even against Arsenal.
Now concerning Sanches, in my opinion he should stay at Benfica because for the moment I'm not convinced that he is going to be a top player, I see the potential for it but I want to see him progress, that's when I will be able to actually judge how far he can go.
However the difference is that anyone that had actually watched Martial play before he joined us was very impressed with him and excited to see him join us, all the people complaining in the Martial thread either hadn't heard of him or ever watched him apart from the Arsenal matches in the Champions League. However the people that are knowledgable on Sanches seem to mostly believe overwhelmingly that he should stay at Benfica for at least a couple more seasons, which says a lot.
Maybe the minority knew him but I bet 95% of the posters on here wouldn't have been in a position to judge Martial before coming here. Similarly most are in no position to judge Sanches yet
This.
I don't know where people get this idea from. First time I heard of Martial was like 3 years ago when he was still at Lyon from friends that had trials in France and they said that he was the real deal. Fast forward 2 years, he had made almost 50 appearances for Monaco, you don't do that and be a nobody with all the money they were spending at the time. Maybe English fans didn't take note but he was well known as far as young players go. I remember the Monaco v Arsenal game where Martial absolutely caused havoc and many on the CAF took further notice.
Some chats with some Benfica supporters a while ago yielded the following general consensus; He is good but not as good as good as the media are making it out to be. Many of them are convinced that Benfica are desperate to follow the Porto way of sell quick for massive profit. One was even convinced that they will start rolling out one "Sanches" every season for big bucks. Some want him to stay because he is not ready, some don't mind because the more talented Talisca is finally finding his feet and he looks the part if Sanches leaves. After discussing with them I am finally convinced about this transfer and he is "more project than talent" as one described him. Either way, they are happy to bank on the £40m, a fee that they are surprised at!
I just find it funny when I now come on the CAF and I read some comments that rate him more than his own supporters do.
The 95% of the caf aren't giving their opinion, so why do you bring them into the conversation?
Would they be complimentary about him if they feel he's leaving? Would you see the good points of anyone that you felt was probably leaving - so soon after coming on the scene? Some might even think he shouldn't be playing or that he's disrespected their club. Time will tell whether we buy him, and if the money is well spent or not.
I didn't take @Phil Osophy at his word alone but visited 2 top Benfica forums recommended by my Benfica supporting mate said and it's no different! I feel for the poor kid.
I think the CAF is suffering from "muppet hype"; hype a player to insane levels once we are linked to him but underrate when linked with our rivals.
They are probably thrilled in 2013-2014 Benfica had an annual budget of 50m€, it would be like United receiving 400m€ for Januzaj.
Edit: I think that it's 70m in 2015.
How many people said Pogba was shit when he left? They may have felt he was a dick but pretty much everyone rated him highly.
I Don't know....
Ask dozens of United fans here who weren't posting that De Gea wasn't worth the big money....
Or the Spurs fans for Bale...
Or even the Palace fans for Zaha...
I have also interacted with Benfica fans who rate him highly. Opinions differ. Benfica fans might not rate him @ €60m but that's the clubs prerogative.
What's football without opinions eh?
Personally, I'm really hoping that the kid can be what the hype says he is but the gulf between that and the reality is way too massive to even want to risk it. If I watch the remaining Benfica games, that would make it almost 20 games this season and I'm yet to be convinced. I've spoken to some Benfica fans and apart from the "one of our own" sentiments, their opinions aren't any different. @Sly , an avid watcher of the Portuguese league, says the same thing. There is a forum discussing Sanches at length with over 900 pages and a large of posters are not too different, with most happy for the quick sale. Home supporters tend to be staunch and blindly biased towards a young talent from their academy and I'm not getting the vibe from Benfica supporters.
After all of that, I think I am quite safe with my reservations about the kid. Of course if we do go crazy and buy, all I can do is to hope for the best. Until then stay clear.
Yes you have given me 3 examples and a lot of full stops......since you are good at doing that. Why stop there? Why not try and give us 10 examples?
What you have done is look at one perspective. There are many perspectives. What someone posted is some people giving their opinion. Since they are anoymous and no one knows them, how the hell would you even know that their opinion is worth anything? There's nothing to even prove they support Benfica....So we just have to trust our scounts and we're not too bad scouting potential....
People judging him on Monday's game, played after he played the full game on Friday?
Well that must mean Saul Niguez and Coman are shit after yesterday's performances.
Well that must mean Saul Niguez and Coman are shit after yesterday's performances.
http://thepeoplesperson.com/2016/05...h-renato-sanches-in-action-once-again-148230/
Second game in 4 days and 52nd game of the season, gave a tired performance.
Second game in 4 days and 52nd game of the season, gave a tired performance.
And he has played te full 90 mins in 48 of those games. No matter how you look at it, it's a ridiculous amount of game time for an 18 year old
We need a boss in that midfield, someone who can drive the team forward and be a vocal player, more of a captain than our actual captain. Not sure an 18 kid is the answer.
Nah he messed up the "caralho" translation
But he did a good job because I though he was Portuguese/Brazilian
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Shut up with your sensible posts. He's obviously the
It's not lots of full stops. it's called ellipsis.Yes you have given me 3 examples and a lot of full stops......since you are good at doing that. Why stop there? Why not try and give us 10 examples?
What you have done is look at one perspective. There are many perspectives. What someone posted is some people giving their opinion. Since they are anoymous and no one knows them, how the hell would you even know that their opinion is worth anything? There's nothing to even prove they support Benfica....So we just have to trust our scounts and we're not too bad scouting potential....
As for the rest: I'm not particularly bothered about whose opinion is worth what etc. It really isn't that serious to me.
Anyone can give their impression/opinion on any player they want. Whether they've just seen clips on-line or they've watched every game five times in slow motion.Many take this all a bit too seriously, in my opinion.
Nah he messed up the "caralho" translation
But he did a good job because I though he was Portuguese/Brazilian
Would be hard to translate that and still make sense
Is he the new Ramires this guy?
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