Religion, what's the point?

And the food at the golden temple is great:drool:

And, last time I was there they were selling bottles of Coke for 10 Rupees.

Yeah, sure, they're the one great religion who isn't at all interested in money.

Donations welcome.

At the Golden Temple in Amritsar (and as far as I know, every other Gurdwara), you can stay in the dorms and share in the daily communal meals for free. It is of course appreciated if you leave a small donation for the upkeep of what is a massive operation, or even better help out with the washing up (tens of thousands eat there every day).

I found it to be one of the only religious sites in India where I wasn't hussled by any dickheads trying to scam me (the other place was the Jain Temples at Palitana).
 
Keep the questions coming by the way! I'm a bit busy for the rest of this week but I'll try my best to answer as and when I get time :)
 
Not sure what you mean by this? I think I understand what you're trying to get at, but I haven't twisted anything to suit any agenda, I am trying to give examples as well as proof where I can.



I agree that where mental health is concerned, this can blur the lines. I'll be honest I'm not sure where you would draw the line between vanity and mental health. It always comes down the same principle though, it's your honest thoughts and intentions. I remember I read a case a while back about a Sikh man who was injured in a car accident, and the Hospital staff shaved his chest for the defibrillator. In such a case that wouldn't be considered a bad action for the Sikh, despite the prohibition on hair removal.

My own few dealings with Sikhs in India suggests they are very upright and serious, is this cultural or down to the scriptures ?



Which is why we have evolved to have less hair. It's not that God decided to give us hair, it's that we have evolved this way in accordance with God's will and as such should respect our form. God didn't actively design us to have hair, it's evolution and nature that has shaped us. It's why I said earlier if somewhere along the line we evolved to have minimal hair, the principle remains it's the non-cutting rather than the having that is the key part.
I'm not suggesting that you are twisting anything. My point is that if anyone wanted to give an explanantion of, say, Christianity or Islam they could make it all sound good by quoting wise texts and beutiful passages from the holy works such as the Bible or Quran, whereas we all know there are negatives. Many of these have been mentioned on this thread. I was just wondering if there are any in the history of Sikhism, or maybe it's considered related to Sikh individuals. The partition of India for example involved a lot of slaughter by all sides. Did Sikhs ahve any role in that ?
 
I'm not suggesting that you are twisting anything. My point is that if anyone wanted to give an explanantion of, say, Christianity or Islam they could make it all sound good by quoting wise texts and beutiful passages from the holy works such as the Bible or Quran, whereas we all know there are negatives. Many of these have been mentioned on this thread. I was just wondering if there are any in the history of Sikhism, or maybe it's considered related to Sikh individuals. The partition of India for example involved a lot of slaughter by all sides. Did Sikhs ahve any role in that ?

My own few dealings with Sikhs in India suggest that they are very upright and serious. Is this a cultural thing or something to do with the scriptures ?
 
And, last time I was there they were selling bottles of Coke for 10 Rupees.



At the Golden Temple in Amritsar (and as far as I know, every other Gurdwara), you can stay in the dorms and share in the daily communal meals for free. It is of course appreciated if you leave a small donation for the upkeep of what is a massive operation, or even better help out with the washing up (tens of thousands eat there every day).

I found it to be one of the only religious sites in India where I wasn't hussled by any dickheads trying to scam me (the other place was the Jain Temples at Palitana).

You went up on the mountain?
 
Plenty of practical applications to humans too. The main idea is like I've said maintaining the unperturbed form. I'm not sure what you're trying to get at...

It was a joke. 'hair of the dog' is another drink after after a heavy night of drinking.
 
Both missing the point. You choose to smoke pot, likewise you choose to drink alcohol. You don't choose to grow hair, you can't compare either pot or alcohol to hair which grows naturally on the human body.

So you don't cut your fingernails or toenails?
 
I've not problem being drawn up on a technicality. But yes I didn't expect so many people to jump on one matter and attempt to discredit the religion as a whole.
I feel at fault for this. I genuinely wanted to know because the Nazarites of the Bible also had a prohibition on hair cutting and intoxication.

Studying overlapping aspects of different religions is cool to me.
 
I feel at fault for this. I genuinely wanted to know because the Nazarites of the Bible also had a prohibition on hair cutting and intoxication.

Studying overlapping aspects of different religions is cool to me.

I am fascinated by the occult. What would possess someone to ever want to be into that.
In Florida the church of Satan is trying to have an after school class.
Wtf
 
It's closer to Buddhism in my opinion than the other religions and is quite open minded and accepting of all people which is cool.
Buddhism, Jainism, and Sikhism seem to be some really peaceful faiths. I'd say the world would be better if those had become the dominant Faith's of the world, but in order to have done that they'd have needed to take up the sword. Catch-22 I guess
 
Buddhism, Jainism, and Sikhism seem to be some really peaceful faiths. I'd say the world would be better if those had become the dominant Faith's of the world, but in order to have done that they'd have needed to take up the sword. Catch-22 I guess

Yes, the most popular of them did take up the swords. Ashoka, Tang Dynasty in China, most of SE Asia.
 
If I am not mistaken, Ashoka gave up the sword after embracing Buddhism

That was what the faith like you to know.

Fact is, Buddhism in India benefited greatly from his conquests.

It was the same with my country. The first durable dynasty of a unified Vietnam back a millennium ago was created with significant support from Buddhists, and consequently it became the dominant religion since.
 
What's Asoka's real life story then if we've been misled all along? Cite your sources.

The use of Buddhist sources in reconstructing the life of Ashoka has had a strong influence on perceptions of Ashoka, as well as the interpretations of his Edicts. Building on traditional accounts, early scholars regarded Ashoka as a primarily Buddhist monarch who underwent a conversion to Buddhism and was actively engaged in sponsoring and supporting the Buddhist monastic institution. Some scholars have tended to question this assessment. Romila Thappar writes about Ashoka that "We need to see him both as a statesman in the context of inheriting and sustaining an empire in a particular historical period, and as a person with a strong commitment to changing society through what might be called the propagation of social ethics."[39] The only source of information not attributable to Buddhist sources are the Ashokan Edicts, and these do not explicitly state that Ashoka was a Buddhist

From Wiki.

Convenient, don't you think?

I'll dig up some stuffs later on when I have the time. Was raised a Buddhist so the official version was something I questioned when turning atheist.
 
I went to the hospital today and saw many disabled children. God is a cnut. Feck your religion.
 
I went to the hospital today and saw many disabled children. God is a cnut. Feck your religion.
When I tell people this they always answer "God does not interfere with people". When I ask them "how do you know what God thinks?" I get all kinds of shitty answers , or even insults.
One doesn't need religion to act as a decent human being.
 
I think Religion was mainly created so that people could fix their roofs...

Every fecking church going has a fecking collection for their roof...
 
Yeah. Been there twice so far. The second time I went was during some festive occasion and there were people climbing the mountain 3 times everyday for a 33 day period.

I know very little about it but it seems to me that Jainism taken to its most extreme must be the toughest religion to follow.
 
I know very little about it but it seems to me that Jainism taken to its most extreme must be the toughest religion to follow.
Yeah, I remember reading about people who won't eat fruit which hasn't fallen from the tree, for example, which is completely mad if you're a sustenance farmer. Most of the year would have you close to starvation.
 
I know very little about it but it seems to me that Jainism taken to its most extreme must be the toughest religion to follow.

Yeah, it is a tough religion to follow with as absurd claims and beliefs as you would find in any other religion. Actually, more than any other religion and beliefs.
 
Yeah, I remember reading about people who won't eat fruit which hasn't fallen from the tree, for example, which is completely mad if you're a sustenance farmer. Most of the year would have you close to starvation.
Nah. With vegetables (except those which grow under the ground like onions, potatoes etc.), pulses, grains and milk & milk products you are sorted even if you follow that principle regarding fruits, which I doubt anyone does.
 
Nah. With vegetables (except those which grow under the ground like onions, potatoes etc.), pulses, grains and milk & milk products you are sorted even if you follow that principle regarding fruits, which I doubt anyone does.
I thought those who took it to such extremes didn't drink milk? Obviously it's bound to turn it to be, like, only a handful of people. But that life is hard, man.
 
I thought those who took it to such extremes didn't drink milk? Obviously it's bound to turn it to be, like, only a handful of people. But that life is hard, man.
I honestly have never heard of anyone saying consuming milk is barred in Jainism. As far as I know milk (be it from cow, goat, buffalo, camel) has always been part of the diet in India and no one bats an eyelid as to whether its morally correct to consume milk.
 
I honestly have never heard of anyone saying consuming milk is barred in Jainism. As far as I know milk (be it from cow, goat, buffalo, camel) has always been part of the diet in India and no one bats an eyelid as to whether its morally correct to consume milk.
Tbf it's been a good 10 years since I read about it, and some kind of weird veganism might have replaced it in my head.
 
Yeah, sure, they're the one great religion who isn't at all interested in money.

Donations welcome.

@Silva I understand your need/desire/quest to denounce all religions for the 'fakes that they are'. But could you respect us as humans too and give us some breathing space to discuss actual religions. @AXVnee7 is helping me understand Sikhism more than I have been able to elsewhere. If you carry on as it is the religious folk will once again abandon this thread and Raoul will be wondering why this thread isn't good enough to discuss religion, ad infinitum.
 
Buddhism, Jainism, and Sikhism seem to be some really peaceful faiths. I'd say the world would be better if those had become the dominant Faith's of the world, but in order to have done that they'd have needed to take up the sword. Catch-22 I guess


Sikhs believe in violence.
 
@Silva I understand your need/desire/quest to denounce all religions for the 'fakes that they are'. But could you respect us as humans too and give us some breathing space to discuss actual religions. @AXVnee7 is helping me understand Sikhism more than I have been able to elsewhere. If you carry on as it is the religious folk will once again abandon this thread and Raoul will be wondering why this thread isn't good enough to discuss religion, ad infinitum.

What's stopping you from having a PM conversation?
 
We could always start a religion discussion thread where various believers have grown up discussions about their beliefs without annoying atheist hipsters chiming in. Sort of like the Ronaldo (WUMs will be thread banned) thread.
 
We could always start a religion discussion thread where various believers have grown up discussions about their beliefs without annoying atheist hipsters chiming in. Sort of like the Ronaldo (WUMs will be thread banned) thread.

Yes, that's exactly what I suggested a few days ago where you suggested this thread was enough. Probably can't do any harm. If it remains unused then the worst that's happened is there is another thread.
 
Yes, that's exactly what I suggested a few days ago where you suggested this thread was enough. Probably can't do any harm. If it remains unused then the worst that's happened is there is another thread.

That's before it turned into a shitshow. Feel free to start one.