His hand’s got absolutely no business there and they’ve been instructed that above shoulder height isn’t a natural position and the hand moves towards the ball. How would you argue that the laws of the game support not giving a handball for that?
Refs & VAR 2020/2021 Discussion
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It's never a penalty
Was below shoulder height.
This is the worst officiated season in the history of the PL. They are most incompetent officials I've ever seen. Almost Every single club can make a case for being shafted by them
can you explain why?
his hand is in an unnatural position, he hasn’t been pushed - I can’t see how it’s not a pen?
Var is starting to be tiring.
Klopp's comment definitely had an effect. Just like lampard last year.
If that's not a penalty I don't know what is.
The handball by Greenwood afterwards doesn't matter. Moreover, if the Chelsea player doesn't touch it, it does not hit Greenwood.
He clearly saw the ball which was moving at a slow speed. He had ample time to remove his hand.
Klopp's comment definitely had an effect. Just like lampard last year.
If that's not a penalty I don't know what is.
The handball by Greenwood afterwards doesn't matter. Moreover, if the Chelsea player doesn't touch it, it does not hit Greenwood.
He clearly saw the ball which was moving at a slow speed. He had ample time to remove his hand.
It’s soft for sure, and you’d be fuming if it was given against you, but under the rules as they are currently that’s a handball and a penalty.
So outfield players punching the ball is ok now? Glad to know.
Every cnuting game the rules are different.
12pm today; Ndidi hand above head. Ball hits hand. Penalty.
4:30pm today; Odoi hand above head. Ball hits hand. No penalty.
12pm today; Ndidi hand above head. Ball hits hand. Penalty.
4:30pm today; Odoi hand above head. Ball hits hand. No penalty.
I don’t think he was trying to make himself bigger, in my view it was accidental.
How though? Its not fired at him, he sees it coming the whole way. He panics by reaching out because Greenwood is getting in front of him and its at an unnatural height.
It covers all the bases.
Two very different incidents. CHO hand was nowhere near above his head.
Just get rid of VAR. If refs are going to insist on making bad calls then we may as well make it quicker.
Do think it’s a bit odd that as the ref is at the monitor he’s go Chelsea players behind him yelling why it’s not a penalty. That’s got to have some influence on his decision.
What’s laughable is that was handball under any version of the handball rule
It's a stonewall penalty. No point having a conversation about why it isn't.
doesn’t matter whether it’s accidental or not. Even so, makes a movement towards the ball.
It was head height, stretched out. No difference. Blatant penalty.
I think you should see it again. It was nowhere near head height.
I mean you can't expect these referees to have read basic points of the laws of the game.
The only thing it could be is he believes Mason's arm is affecting CHO hand as its underneath it... But that's reaching a little in my opinion.
However without that it's an absolute 100% under the laws
However without that it's an absolute 100% under the laws
It doesn't matter. It was in an unnatural position. Think back to lindeloffs against Palace. Pen by the rules
Like I said I don’t think it’s a penalty because he didn’t intentionally make himself bigger. I think there is some contact between Mason and CHO and he moves his arm jostling with Mason and it hits him. I wouldn’t have given it.
Neither are penalties.
That's what I thought I saw. It looked like your player pushed his arm up to the ball.
Utd have had an inordinate amount of decisions go against them since Klopp's whinge. CHO's hand was at his shoulder and also appeared to flick out towards the ball. It was a definite penalty, I really cannot understand how it wasn't given.
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You dont have to intentionally make yourself bigger to give away a pen. And is flicking the ball away not making yourself bigger anyway? It didnt hit his hand by accident. Thers a a definite movement to the ball and it should have killed the whole argument.
Lindeloffs was a penalty by the rules.
Are you arguing the rule is wrong?
It's a stonewall pen
That's not In the rules though is it?
The entirety of a handball decision doesn’t depend on the notion that you have to be making yourself bigger.
I've been a big proponent of VAR since the start, but this season the implementation of VAR has really put me off. I'm now thinking just scrap the whole VAR thing if you can't use it properly.
Look at their arms. Can you say masons arm isn’t interfering with CHO?
Right. This isn’t a penalty because he was in contact with Mason.
That's the only thing it could be... And the picture above does show there is contact between the arms effect he handles it.
Still think most refs give it though.
How does that matter? If CHO bumps greenwood a bit, the ball hits his arm and he scores they don't say it's not handball because CHO made contact.
It should be irrelevant
It’s not irrelevant though is it
He panicked and raised his hand.It’s not irrelevant though is it
Says you. What really happened is they were jostling for the ball and Masons arm moved CHO arm onto the ball by accident. No penalty.